Anyone old enough to remember the Super Nintendo -vs- Sega Genesis console wars? That's the last console war that was this heated, and almost no games were "truly multi-platform" like this article wants. Everything played extremely differently.
I don't see how this is "simply unfair." The PS3 and 360, although similar in power, are two very different machines. #tekken6
@Paul_Is_Drunk: All I remember from the SNES vs Genesis days was I didn't get blood in my MK. That and some guy getting angry when my cousin said TMNT: Turtles in Time was better than the Hyperstone Heist. #tekken6
@Paul_Is_Drunk: You're absolutely right. I thought everyone realized that the world is not fair at age 12 or so. This has nothing to do with fairness. It has to do with a consumer buying a product. Did they or did they not get their moneys worth? And the answer has nothing at all to do with what someone else paid or what someone else got in return. #tekken6
@ph15h: No blood in MK and no sword in Aladdin. Back when Nintendo was still about censorship. Made up for it with an amazing game library, though. #tekken6
When Guerilla Games can get KZ2 running at 720p/1080i native res with no installs whatsoever, no other dev has any excuses. It's just laziness, and I don't see where Namco was going with this when they said a while back that the game was being built "PS3 first, then to the 360..."
Sure didn't seem that way, especially with the game's subpar visuals. I know the 360 and PS3 were more than capable of running the game at 720p native res rather than 576p. It's a joke, because their excuse was that Motion Blur makes "awkward" motions seem more "real and fluid."
Uh, what? You made a game where I can fight as trees, pandas, polar bears, cyborgs, robots, kangaroos, demons, and friggin' ninjas, and you wanna pull the "realism" cop-out? Nope, not buyin' it. #tekken6
It's completely impossible to have multi-platform games be exactly the same on each platform. As for load times being different, the only way to make them exactly the same would be to slow the faster system down to the slower system's speed. That doesn't make much sense. Perhaps they could've done more optimizing on the PS3 side, but since it was a PS3 title first and should be better on PS3 as such, I think they decided to go with heavier graphics over quicker load times. #tekken6
I think a difference of a few seconds for the installed version is not really relevant. It would be very easy to take several PS3's or 360's and find a few that load faster or slower than the majority. Different hardware and system age could affect these numbers too. One of my 360's has issues loading off of discs and takes slightly longer. However, my PS3 has an upgraded 7200 rpm hdd with a larger cache. I've found that just upgrading my hdd has improved my load times on the PS3 for installed games.
The disc based load time is very easy to explain. The PS3's blu-ray drive is only a 1x speed. It has a higher capacity for storage than the 360's dvd drive, but reads data significantly slower. This is the reason why many PS3 games now have mandatory installs. #tekken6
Do people still gripe about installs? I've installed every 360 game I play to my HDD since the NXE launched. It just makes more sense; it cuts down on heat, takes a lot of stress of the disc drive, reduces load times, and makes the system considerably quieter (my 360 sounds like a Blackhawk when the disc drive is running). And I have a 20gb HDD on my 360 which equates to about 13gb of storage when the drive is empty and formatted.
As far as I'm concerned that puts the 360/PS3 install thing at a stalemate. Is the option there to install? Yes? Then install the game, there's no sense not installing unless you're really so impatient you can't wait for a 10 minute install for a game you'll play for 10-100+ hours (pending on the game).
This is even more of a non-issue on the PS3 where you can easily upgrade the HDD with ANY 2.5" SATA drive. 360gb of storage on your PS3 is doable for $75 or less. #tekken6
Blu-ray drives are slower than DVD drives. This makes load times longer and also is why most PS3 games have a mandatory install. That's all there is to it. Why have people not learned this yet? Going straight from a hard drive or DVD drive will always be quicker, until they somehow get Blu-ray read speeds up to 16x or so. #tekken6
Take this from someone who plays Tekken day-in day-out, at home or in the arcades and reads up on it.
When installed it loads the same as it is in the arcades (talking about PS3) so if the deciding factor for you is loading then either doesn't really matter considering you install although it's basically a MUST for PS3 or else you're gonna spend more time loading than fighting. (Basically just summarized the article lol)
However all the Tekken players I know personally are getting it on PS3 so I guess that's the same in most places and where all the competition is going to be online-wise.
If you're looking at controls the PS3's D-pad is a lot better but if you have a stick the 360 is perfectly good also. I do not suggest using the 360 D-pad, it is a killer.
Also if anybody wants to challenge my PSN is 'DesMaf' :P
Why would you post this Bash? Especially since it's nothing to do with Namco. PS3 may be an awesome machine, but it's major failing is it's Blu-ray media. It's honestly a shame than Blu-ray won over HD-DVD, because not only did HD stay with faster lasers, but it was compatible with old DVD formats. The PS3 had to include a seperate DVD laser to support them as well.
GG Sony on making your new, mostly inferior format win. #tekken6
@Jennacide: It's not BD itself. The disc drive on the PS3 is only 2x speed. Imagine a 2x speed DVD drive and it'd be just as slow. Faster BD drives have been released since then. #tekken6
Who actually owns a PS3 and doesn't install the games?
One of the perks of a PS3 is that from launch the console has had an "install" option for most games (majority are mandatory), but they improve the load times.
I've never played a game straight from disc. I'll admit there are some games that need the "mandatory" changing to optional (I'm looking at you Devil May Cry 4).
And I wouldn't actually count the XBox "install" as an "install", all it does is copy the disc image to the HDD. And it's not 100% foolproof. I've had lot's of games just "stop" because there was a piece of lint on the disc during the copying process making the image faulty, thus needing another install. And there's no way of actually telling if the "install" was 100% successful until you finish the game. #tekken6
@Sisee: The comparison isn't even fair in my opinion. The XB360 copies EVERYTHING on the hard drive while the PS3 only installs the most used resource data.
Still Sony should find a way to have the PS3s load time improved or let us have the option to install the whole data but still use the Blu-ray in the drive like how XB360 does to combat piracy.
I may have to invest in a external SATA hard drive casing so I can use a standard hard drive (mmm 2TB 7200RPM) if the PS3 allows full installs. #tekken6
@Neko_Tech: i dont know if its even feasible. because full installs on some ps3 games would be 25GB since alot of developers use padding files to improve loading and redundant data. (might be too complicated to filter out all the trash data) Then on top of that any data on the hdd has to encrypted. it took over an hour to download/install the uc2 beta. 25gigs is going to take 4-5 hours to install.
@flanker22: Most of the files are redundant or has the same data in different parts of the disk.
Even if it did install all of the data, it wouldn't take 4-5 hours. Most will take 30-60 mins since most of the 4.2GB installs take about 7-8 mins and that's just installing selective data not from beginning to end.
As a PC user I could care less about install time as long as the load time is fast. #tekken6
@Neko_Tech: You must not use a 360 that often. There was an update over the summer that made it so it doesn't install everything, just the most used files. Some of my installs went from 8-9gb to 1-3gb. #tekken6
@otomoton: I know what it does. My point was that the XB360 installs everything that is used for the game while the PS3 installs are for most used data and whatever isn't installed is read on the Blu-ray.
For the record I use to use the XB360. After my 4th one died (all died of RRoD) and out of warranty and my utter discontempt with MS customer service and their policy (when I had issues) I choose to not to be a returning customer for this generation. I have a gaming PC so any major game that isn't Halo that MS has exclusive with, I can still play it pending they do a PC release. #tekken6
Whats sad here is that Tekken 6 is basically a 2 year old game the day ti lanuched in consoles... and the arcade version was already running on alomst actual PS3 hardware.
What the eff, Namco?
Still amazes me how nowadays you can play entire games without a single loading screen, besides the very first start up one (Uncharted 2), and yet you need to wait 33 seconds for a fighting game to load 2 characters and one arena. #tekken6
Not exactly news that the PS3's drive is slower - it was a known trade-off they made in going with the newer format. Seeing as no one's really using the space this generation, that trade-off doesn't seem like it was a great idea as far as gaming is concerned. #tekken6
@kyle4: MGS4 load times was crap! Every time you load a new chapter it installs. It wouldn't be so bad if they actually let you install all the chapters IMO. #tekken6
@Neko_Tech: I agree with you, it also puts more wear on the laser then it needs to. I saved at specific parts of the game to watch the cutscenes again....very annoying to reinstall for every chapter just to do that. #tekken6
@ThursdayNext: No, no I must of been mistaken. I too forget to dot "i"s from time to time. Making for some very interesting and horrendously misunderstood journal writes.
for example: "blltherlng ldollzlng ldlots!" Turns it from an insult into some sort of foreign doll line.
@Blore07: I am very tempted to post a reply that is simply me doing a Mandark Laugh, or a generic Evil laugh. However instead I shall point out you put the last character in my name upside down, and forgot to hold down shift.
And you have to get up early in the morning to get one over me...
Mostly because when I try to get up even earlier to beat you, I tend to be really really tired and incoherent...
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I don't see how this is "simply unfair." The PS3 and 360, although similar in power, are two very different machines. #tekken6
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Sure didn't seem that way, especially with the game's subpar visuals. I know the 360 and PS3 were more than capable of running the game at 720p native res rather than 576p. It's a joke, because their excuse was that Motion Blur makes "awkward" motions seem more "real and fluid."
Uh, what? You made a game where I can fight as trees, pandas, polar bears, cyborgs, robots, kangaroos, demons, and friggin' ninjas, and you wanna pull the "realism" cop-out? Nope, not buyin' it. #tekken6
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The disc based load time is very easy to explain. The PS3's blu-ray drive is only a 1x speed. It has a higher capacity for storage than the 360's dvd drive, but reads data significantly slower. This is the reason why many PS3 games now have mandatory installs. #tekken6
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As far as I'm concerned that puts the 360/PS3 install thing at a stalemate. Is the option there to install? Yes? Then install the game, there's no sense not installing unless you're really so impatient you can't wait for a 10 minute install for a game you'll play for 10-100+ hours (pending on the game).
This is even more of a non-issue on the PS3 where you can easily upgrade the HDD with ANY 2.5" SATA drive. 360gb of storage on your PS3 is doable for $75 or less. #tekken6
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When installed it loads the same as it is in the arcades (talking about PS3) so if the deciding factor for you is loading then either doesn't really matter considering you install although it's basically a MUST for PS3 or else you're gonna spend more time loading than fighting. (Basically just summarized the article lol)
However all the Tekken players I know personally are getting it on PS3 so I guess that's the same in most places and where all the competition is going to be online-wise.
If you're looking at controls the PS3's D-pad is a lot better but if you have a stick the 360 is perfectly good also. I do not suggest using the 360 D-pad, it is a killer.
Also if anybody wants to challenge my PSN is 'DesMaf' :P
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Spammy Asuka FTW! #tekken6
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GG Sony on making your new, mostly inferior format win. #tekken6
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I'm just glad though in the end the format wars is over. Thank god we never had to deal with this with hard drives. #tekken6
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One of the perks of a PS3 is that from launch the console has had an "install" option for most games (majority are mandatory), but they improve the load times.
I've never played a game straight from disc. I'll admit there are some games that need the "mandatory" changing to optional (I'm looking at you Devil May Cry 4).
And I wouldn't actually count the XBox "install" as an "install", all it does is copy the disc image to the HDD. And it's not 100% foolproof. I've had lot's of games just "stop" because there was a piece of lint on the disc during the copying process making the image faulty, thus needing another install. And there's no way of actually telling if the "install" was 100% successful until you finish the game. #tekken6
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Still Sony should find a way to have the PS3s load time improved or let us have the option to install the whole data but still use the Blu-ray in the drive like how XB360 does to combat piracy.
I may have to invest in a external SATA hard drive casing so I can use a standard hard drive (mmm 2TB 7200RPM) if the PS3 allows full installs. #tekken6
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Even if it did install all of the data, it wouldn't take 4-5 hours. Most will take 30-60 mins since most of the 4.2GB installs take about 7-8 mins and that's just installing selective data not from beginning to end.
As a PC user I could care less about install time as long as the load time is fast. #tekken6
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For the record I use to use the XB360. After my 4th one died (all died of RRoD) and out of warranty and my utter discontempt with MS customer service and their policy (when I had issues) I choose to not to be a returning customer for this generation. I have a gaming PC so any major game that isn't Halo that MS has exclusive with, I can still play it pending they do a PC release. #tekken6
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PS3s - only in SubHd 1024*576.
you know what version is superior. #tekken6
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What?
What do you mean no?
Who cares if there's no PC version!
Fine, you kids with your blast processing do hickeys are sure spoiled! In my days... wait what was I talking about again?? #tekken6
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What the eff, Namco?
Still amazes me how nowadays you can play entire games without a single loading screen, besides the very first start up one (Uncharted 2), and yet you need to wait 33 seconds for a fighting game to load 2 characters and one arena. #tekken6
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YOURS!
*Points down at Blore07*
And by the look of it, it is a 3 for 1 deal on seconds for the PS3 version...
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What's that you say? I've just edited it? Oh well, I had just forgotten to dot an "i", that's all...
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A lesson learned. #tekken6
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I'll get you for this "Cptn.PaxtonAstypalaea(Corsair6"!!! #tekken6
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for example: "blltherlng ldollzlng ldlots!" Turns it from an insult into some sort of foreign doll line.
Bloody gets me every time! #tekken6
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And you have to get up early in the morning to get one over me...
Mostly because when I try to get up even earlier to beat you, I tend to be really really tired and incoherent...
... What year is it again? #tekken6
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unless you got that, and were being sarcastic...
but...
wait...
we both need a few extra hours in bed each day, this getting up to outdo each other is too much. #tekken6