I finally got 100% Modern Warfare 2 on Sunday. All 1000 achievements (as if the online has an end, anyways). But it got me thinking: I 100%'d the game in 13 days. What's the fastest any of you all have 100%'d a game? This can include games before achievements, but it may be more difficult to know without them. I mean, who really knows if they've done everything there is to be done in Final Fantasy V?
Yesterday I finally got a game that I've been meaning to play for a long time, Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. I mean the real, bongo version, not the "New Play" one on Wii. it's completely unlike anything I've ever played.
Have you ever "discovered" a completely unique game years after everyone else?
@anabbeynormality: Yeah, I never actually played Robotron 2084 up until a few months ago. Not sure how unique it is today since its been widely imitated, but revolutionary none the less. I absolutely love that game now, one of my all time favourites. I think it deserves all the praise it gets; definitely the king of classic arcade.
So, as part of my Part 1 to suggestions, I was thinking of finally getting a PS3 for this holiday season, actually.
I'd elaborate more, but basically I can't really afford another subscription plan, so there goes the 360, sadly. (Yeah, not really uplifting on the card either.) But I'm also looking for a good purchase of a Blu-ray player, and I'm thinking that the PS3 seems perfect for my needs. ^_^
So, what games do you suggest are the best for buying? (That includes multiphatform games. :P)
oh god i dont know how newegg handles black friday and I just got an ad with a few items on it, and checking my computer build it went down by...6 dollars...but I don't know if there will be MORE savings in the next few days WHAT DO I DO OH GOD
Yesterday i was hanging out at the queen center mall with my friends Edward and Luis and three other guys(friends from work)and i told them that i was going to buy a 360, and the first thing the came out of one the guys was..
"finally you'll will know how much better is Live than the PSN"....that's the clean version of what he say ^_^
Now i've play Edward 360 and neither Edward or i have found the difference between the two(other than the lack of demos for PSN games), and the guy couldn't provide me with a good example of what makes it better...other than the same old arguments ^_^
Apparently cross game chat is a big deal. I for one wont be using the feature if it is implemented in PSN but a lot PSN users are clamoring for the feature to be included.
@Curse lily: Live is better than PSN because it costs money. That's the only argument I hear again and again. People think Live performs better than PSN because they pay for it and the placebo effect is making them see things that arent there. I've tried both and they're the same shit. The only valid argument in favor of Live is party chat and more demos. If anything PSN, is more reliable gaming wise because it relies more heavily on dedicated servers. Live has those too, but it's not as common.
@Michael Dukakis: It's still funny because it looks like you're saying Live is free. =p
@Curse lily: A lot of people would probably agree that it's a lot easier to hook up with friends, because Live is built with that sort of thing in mind. You can party up with friends and just chat while playing different games, or jump into a game lobby with them no problem. PS3 games all have to do that on a game-by-game basis.
As a UK user I'd also agree that the marketplace is a lot better. Since the EU PSN Store updates are either scarce or missing things altogether and only happen once a week, the 360 wins by default. It gets things earlier, gets more things and has all the extra arcade stuff PSN might not get and with demos to boot.
PSN has been catching up though and is not far behind.
@Curse lily: You don't have to deal with accepting EULA's for each and every specific game online portion.
I've personally had problems with using PSN over a wireless WiFi where I couldn't connect, couldn't join games, or would get dropped from games. It was fixed by using a wired connection.
Live doesn't seem to update as often as PSN, and when it does it is very quick and painless. It prompts you and gives you an easy option to start it right then. You don't have to remember where the System Update option is. The download just takes a few seconds, restarts automatically, and doesn't bother me with series of menus each time about "Agreeing to things," or "Would I like to turn off the system when it's finished," kind of stuff.
I hate how often after getting a new PS3 game I find I have to spend 20 minutes downloading the new system update, and then more time for it to install.
Game updates install much quicker too. I remember the SOCOM update taking over 3 hours to download, and then it had to install it (which took a long time too). I think the longest I've had to wait for a update over Live is about 20 seconds, with no separate install wait needed.
As well, Live features party chat. I'm often playing one game while chatting with my friends playing different games. The nice thing about party chat is that you can't hear the strangers you're playing with, and they can't hear you. A big convenience for some of us.
But overall, the network just seems more stable in my experience.
@AncientUnknown1: Oh, god, yeah. Can't believe I forgot that. Too many freakin' PSN game updates that take too long! And then there are the firmware updates...
@mangs: Pretty much this. All those anecdotes of more disconnects and worse quality of connections are nonexistent for me. Both XBox Live and PSN are exact same to me when it comes to the quality of their online. About the only real feature missing from PSN is cross game chat, but that's not important to me at all.
@Curse lily: Some of this opinion may be old since the difference between XBL at launch and PSN at launch were night and day.
PSN is slowly but surely catching up to XBL in features. It is more of a wash now than it was, but at first there was really no comparison, PSN just didn't have any of the features that XBL did.
I personally like the fact that MS forces devs to go through their infrastructure and to integrate live into the games. PSN matchmaking is done solely by the publisher/developer of the title, and it is really hit or miss (or at least it was).
Back when I had access to and played a launch PS3, I was always amazed at the variations in online quality between different games. On XBL it is a very similar experience across the board. Friends can invite you in, matchmaking is usually behind the curtains, etc etc.
The PS3 also didn't have trophies and game comparisons for the longest time.
Cross game party chat is also fantastic. It is one of the features that you don't know you'll take for granted once it is there. I'm REALLY hating MW2 for disabling it...
@AncientUnknown1: @hot_heart: Do you guys have your ports forwarded incorrectly on your router or something? I always hear about how much slower PSN is for updates and such and it gets identical download/install speeds as Live for me.
@Curse lily: For my part, it's pure and simple preference. I can't pinpoint technicals, or anything, but:
1) I know way more people on Live than on PSN.
2) Finding people and talking to people is far more simple, intuitive, and pleasant on Live IN MY EXPERIENCE. I can't claim the experience of others.
3) Party chat and cross-game chat, for me, is imperative. It is simply not an option for me not to have it. These two things alone are worth the crappy $4 a month.
4) I like sending voice messages. PSN needs this NOW.
5) Finally, although this has nothing really to do with PSN or Live, I hate... HATE... that you have to be a network administrator in order to get the PS3 to download updates to games any faster than a 56k modem. The 360 works lightning speed right out of the box without any adjustments. The PS3, doesn't. Burnout Paradise updated in 15 minutes on the 360. On the PS3 it took an hour and 20 minutes.
If that's the kind of online capability I experience with the PS3, it's no wonder that my experiences playing online GAMES on it have been less than satisfactory, and that's WITH it connected hard-line.
@NeöStarr: I don't want to sound like a Son fanboy but I definitely wouldn't get a Daughter if I were you. Once you've had them for 13 years all hell breaks loose.
Let's talk music. Not even game music- although I just found the original Bioshock score, which is awesome, and free- but any kind of music.
I just listened to the entirety of In Utero by Nirvana, and I think it's awesome, and I'm about to go out and nab the new Them Crooked Vultures album, which sounds funky.
How about you guys? Favorite bands? Songs on repeat?
@Polterg3ist is Nothing but Cogs: Today I'm listening to the music from the different radio stations in Grand Theft Auto III. It totally cracks me up that the tracks from Flashback FM were all from the movie Scarface, heh heh.
@Polterg3ist plays bass in an indie band: Got the Them Crooked Vultures album the other day. It's pretty awesome (but I'm a huge Josh Homme/QOTSA fan anyway). Still reminds me very much of QOTSA but better than the last album. Dave Grohl is great on drums and I'm sure JPJ is a big influence too.
Just throwing this out there but you may like a band called Apollo Up! [www.myspace.com]
Got a great straightforward rock sound. And the singer sounds a lot like Speedo from Rocket from the Crypt (another great band. RIP RFTC!).
@thedoraz: I've been thinking about getting Fame Monster since I shied away from actually nabbing The Fame due to the inconsistency throughout. Are the new tracks worth it?
@Polterg3ist plays bass in a band: the new tracks are very diverse each one has a unique sound which i enjoy, she is very talented in songwriting and production for sure
@thedoraz: Oh, absolutely, no doubt, she being the main producer for the last two Britney Spears albums and whatnot.
I just found that there was this great concept behind The Fame, but that the tracks didn't really support it that well, and some were just clearly better than others, but if those new ones are consistent I may as well try it out.
@CutmanMike: Yeah, I still have this page bookmarked from the first time you posted it. I love this idea and really hope to see it come to light. My vote is that you keep up the excellent work!
When I heard Loghain's voice in Dragon Age it rang a bell, so I looked up the VA and it's Simon Templeman (the voice of Kain from the Legacy of Kain series). Now I totally want another LoK game :)
@Blore07: I also want them on GoG.com, of which I'm a huge fan of. Maybe Square Enix have an idea on a new game? Or is the story finished (I haven't played the last game)?
@syafiqjabar of Mars: What's *really* weird is hearing Steve Valentine voice such a virginal goody-goody in Dragon Age (Alistair), then hearing him voice a bad guy in Uncharted 2 (Harry Flynn) immediately after.
Blegh. Why is TAY always a look back and the BS from yesteryear.
The majority of the readership here is in their 20's. Yet they come in here talking about their childhood like they are Walter Matthau.
Games weren't BETTER back then. You were just more easily amused, and a lot less cynical.
Remember that at the same age you thought Megaman was so flipping awesome, you also thought Thundercats was high drama worthy of a primetime slot, and you would spend hours playing with a cardboard tube and pretending you were Lion-O.
@Yossarian: I'm more of a retro gamer, mainly because older games were much harder then the ones that are out now, IMO. It's pretty sad when I play MW2 and beat it under 6 hours on Veteran. Not saying it was good, albeit far fetched, but it was too easy. I love all types of generations of video games, but old school will always be best for me.
And, for the record, Megaman is, and will always be awesome. No need for the hate, my friend. =)
@Yossarian: I donno... Time Pilot's still got it, and Ms. Pac-Man isn't bad either.
Fun games are fun, and that includes the old ones and the new ones. I occasionally spend too long playing an unfun game waiting for it to become fun...but there's definitely still a decent number of fun games coming out, and nothing from yesteryear matches the fun I have from jumping online with friends I otherwise wouldn't be able to game with, and socializing while working towards a common goal in a game.
(Which, tonight, was zombies in Borderlands, an excellent example of fun.)
@Yossarian: What's wrong with looking critically at gaming 10+ years ago? I think some of the simplicity of those games is what makes them better than the games today.
Why else would we see so many remakes of games on handhelds or PSN/XBA that encompass exactly those traits from the games of previous generations?
There's something to be said about the booming industry that is simple Wii and PopCap games...
@Yossarian: Sorry, I understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree with you.
I think games, in general, were better when I was younger. Don't get me wrong, there have been some great games of recent time, but my favourite games are all from around 1985-1998 (or so).
I find myself playing older games over and over again, not because of nostalgia, but of how good the games were. I don't find much re-playability in newer games. Maybe this will be different in the next 10-20 years. We shall see.
@Yossarian: Actually, since I wasn't able to truly get into video games for real until the 90s (being born in '84 and not having the resources for such), I thought Yoshi's Island was so flipping awesome, and I thought X-Men, Batman and Gargoyles were high drama worthy of a primetime slot (and at least one of those ended up with one for a time).
I do take the time every weekend to play around with a cardboard tube and fight crime, and I suggest you all do the same.
@Yossarian: Agreed. I move forward with my entertainment, I don't stagnate in the past. Almost all of the movies, music, and games I enjoy are recent releases.
With respect to games, I'm interested to see where it's going. I want to know what comes next.
@Yossarian: Hey, I used to have some cassette tapes read by Walter Matthau. I think I still might have "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" lying around somewhere.
Anyway, agree with your point. If you've ever gone back and tried to relive the nostalgic gaming of your childhood, you'll often be easily frustrated--not because of the difficulty, but the archaic game design. No save points? Stupid jump mechanics? Shoddy menus? Exploitable bugs? Sloppy level design? They've got 'em all.
And for the record, both the old school Mega Mans and Thundercats are still great.
@Yossarian: I think there were some things that were better and some things that aren't. I miss the fact that back then everything seemed fresh and new and it seemed like there was a bigger variety. These days, it seems like most ideas are regurgitated, most bets being placed by developers safe ones.
And someone also commented on the simplicity... not in the level of difficulty, but the controls. I miss that too. I think there's something to be said for that ability to pick up and play and just have brainless fun. I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the most fun I've had this year has been with fairly simple stuff like EDF, Klonoa, Punch-Out, Shadow Complex, Trine, Plants vs. Zombies... there's not too much going on with complexity but they are still so much fun.
The childhood factor has something to do with it too, nostalgia and all, plus our imagination and the ability for a game to capture it starts to wane as we get older.
On the other hand, the power to make a wonderful, immersive game is much greater today. I don't think it's maximized enough, but a game like Uncharted 2 is an experience that is different from anything an old school game can deliver.
@DefSheppard: They make those games because they are 1) Cheap and 2) They sell well to the masses of disenfranchised 20 and 30 year olds that long to be 10 again.
I'm not saying there were not *good* games. Just that they weren't awesome. It is the same with this generation, though. There are great games, but 15 years from now I know they'll have *better* games.
If these discussions were filled with critical looks at old gaming, that would be one thing, but they aren't. They are filled with will abashed love for titles that were good for the time.
To understand my point, just look at all the comments in TAY today. Half of them already saying how much they loved Donkey Kong.
@Yossarian: Games were totally better back then. It's not that I have fond nostalgic memories for all the stuff that I played, it's that there's such a great back catalog of pre-2000 games that I'm still finding stuff today that I didn't get a chance to enjoy and enjoying them much more than many of the retail titles that come out. Hell, I only discovered Robotron a few months ago and probably played it more than I have most games that came out this year. Video games these days are too formulaic; relying almost exclusively on market research and tested mechanics which has saturated the market with mediocre shooters and RPG elements tacked on to fucking everything.
@Yossarian: "If these discussions were filled with critical looks at old gaming, that would be one thing, but they aren't. They are filled with will abashed love for titles that were good for the time."
This applies to this day and age too. There are games that are only 'good for the time' now. In my humble opinion, there is plenty of absolutely terrible games now, I'd say the bad far outweighs the good. Every generation is going to have it's good and bad games.
@furiku: Dennis Miller said it best in one of his rants (that happens to be a personal favorite):
""Seriously, are things really getting worse? Well, a pessimist might say that everything in the world is steadily going downhill – that nowadays, everything is shit. Well, call me a cockeyed optimist, but I don't think that's true. I think everything has always been shit...
"Yes there were some great movies or novels or politicians back in the old days, but we remember them precisely because everything they were surrounded by was shit. Most old movies? Shit. Most old novels? Shit. Most actors? Shit. Most rock music? Shit. Most shit? Shit."
Any comparison between the levels of shit and good is always out of whack because you only remember the really good (or the really bad) from 15 years ago. You don't remember all the mediocre shit inbetween.
@Yossarian: Oh, I wouldn't completely disagree with you on the money-making issue. But I think there's something ultimately fulfilling about some of those games' play styles. Fun doesn't always have to be complex or shrouded in realistic graphics. There are plenty of examples where those ideals do not make a game fun or better.
On the flip side, what about current gen games makes them better? I'm interested in what you think games these days do differently that older games don't offer. Or can't offer, I suppose in some cases.
@DefSheppard: Bioshock would not have delivered if it had been done in 1989. Heck, I could argue that it couldn't deliver if done in 2001. Sure, there were was some great PC games that were similar back then, but the HD graphics mixed with the story and gameplay delivered a level entertainment that Donkey Kong never will. 10 years from now I expect there to be games that make me think Bioshock was child's play...
"Classic" gaming also couldn't deliver multiplayer. The earliest games that could (and I played them) were good (or great) at the time, but they are all put to shame by the stuff out there now.
Purists may argue that Counter Strike is still popular, but CS is popular because people are comfortable with the gameplay, not because it is executed better than CoD or anything else.
The list of RPGs that are *better* is long as hell... Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Oblivion, Fallout... the list goes on and on, and it is full of games that could not be executed like they are now 10 years ago.
Sandbox games exist because the hardware is now capable of realizing them, and budgets are big enough to make them. Borderlands, GTA, Infamous, Prototype, Crackdown, etc etc... They all deliver worlds that light years beyond what was realized before.
@Yossarian: Lately I've been playing the Pinball Hall of Fame Williams collection, which combines nostalgia with the new. Man, I love some of the old pinball machines lovingly recreated for this game. I've always loved pinball, and with the death of the arcade, and lacking the funds and space to buy IRL pinball cabinets, video pinball has been the closest I can get on a regular basis. But video pinball sucked for so long, and with modern graphics and physics, along with the Pinball HoF's commitment to bring real machines to virtual life, I'm finally able to enjoy it. I hope they keep up the good work (a dlc model might work better than physical copies).
@Yossarian: Mass Effect, Dragon Age and Fallout are not better than other RPGs at all. Mass Effect has almost no characterization and has taken out almost all of the role playing elements in favor of shooting stuff. Dragon Age is the same LOTR fantasy mixed with the exact same infinite dry wit/no characterization from Mass Effect. Fallout 3 is nothing compared to the first two games.
Sounds like you've become waaaaay too cynical and high-minded and largely blinded by technology. Just because something wasn't possible on older stuff does not mean the new stuff is instantly better.
@Yossarian: Bioshock would not have delivered if it had been done in 1989. Heck, I could argue that it couldn't deliver if done in 2001.
"Look at you, hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?" -SHODAN
@Yossarian: Gah. I've attempted to write a response 3 times now and I just can't put what I want to say into words. Know this:
I agree with you on Counter Strike, RPGs, and Sandbox Games. However, I still don't think that advances in gameplay or graphics negate the fun created by a previous game. If a game is fun, it's fun for whatever reason. Do some games withstand the test of time and tech better than others? Definitely. Do others continue to be fun after a decade or more? Definitely. I think it generally falls under your article you wrote: 90/10.
And I agree: I try not to let the shadows of old games taint my enjoyment of new ones. I never enjoyed Donkey Kong and I still don't. I'm not sure how that figures in though...
I disagree with your thoughts on Bioshock based on my ignorant opinion of the game. My opinion is cloaked in tiny bits of evil, over-hype, and general lethargy. So we'll need to agree to disagree there - if only because I'm silly.
Sorry it took so long to reply - work's busy right before the holidays. A web designer's work is never done.
@Yossarian: I think it's different with games than with something like a cartoon or TV show.
Games have that interactive factor. Playing DKC when I was younger (I'm 28 going on 29) was fantastic b/c I had fun controlling the character through all the levels and whatever else they threw at me. I'd probably still have as much fun with it today, not only b/c of the nostalgia factor, but b/c it was a well-designed game that's just fun.
With a TV show like Thundercats, we grow out of it b/c the dialog is silly and we realize it's cheesy as hell. But even then, some shows stand the test of time b/c they're well made, like some older Looney Tunes cartoons or Batman: TAS.
But with games, I think a well-designed interactive experience resonates with us more. I still play ski-ball, air hockey, foosball, basketball, etc., b/c they're fun. They really haven't changed in years. All these things challenge us and we all like a good challenge.
@Yossarian: I guess you didn't read my reply to your post back at the start. I mentioned that I often go back and play games that i played before, and enjoy doing so more than I do the new games I own.
I can clearly remember the mediocre, the great and the downright shit, I have wasted a lot of cash on some seriously shit and mediocre titles (as did my parents). I still find myself thinking why the hell did I buy this these days. There is a lot of great, good, OK and shit titles at the moment, it's always going to be like that. It just seems to me, for my tastes, there is way more crap.
@furiku: Well to be fair, in your original response you said nothing about the mediocre, just that you found older games had higher replay value.
@DCSimian: To clarify, I'm not claiming that old games are all shit. I'm just bemoaning the constant nostalgia that goes on in TAY and puts games up on pedastals. Also, I would never argue that there are defining games in all generations that came up with a gameplay mechanic, nailed it, and defined it for all games to come. That is exactly what ski-ball, air-hockey, etc have done. They were the games that nailed an experience that in some cases (like pinball) had been evolving for a couple hundred of years in various forms.
@NeöStarr: I knew someone would immediately throw System Shock out there. I was going to call it out by name, but decided not to in the hopes of painting a broad stroke. That said, if you played it today could you honestly say that it had the visual and audio impact of Bioshock?
@Ueziel: It sounds like you don't like anything modern just to be contrary. It is obviously just your opinion versus mine, but you can't seriously claim all of those games are crap. You may prefer your RPGs to use sprites and have written text. That may make the game better for you because you get to animate the characters in your mind and make up their voices. I happen to think that as far as entertainment goes, Fallout 3 and Mass Effect are about as good as they have gotten.
Here's an example from my past: I LOOOOOOOOOVED X-wing vs Tie Fighter. LOVED it. There is NO way, though, that I don't think it could be made even better with modern graphics, physics, increased storage, memory, etc etc. That doesn't mean the game was great. It was. For it's time. A modern iteration, though, would blow it out of the water pretty damn easily.
@Yossarian: I actually thought the themes of System Shock were far better executed than those of BioShock. It still scares the bejeesus out of me, even when I play it today. Great graphics and audio are only as good as what they convey. System Shock doesn't need to be up to today's standards in video and audio because the effect is still there. Besides, what would become of SHODAN's glitchy, sexy, disturbing and heavily digitized voice? Though Bioshock might support more speakers with less compression in the sound, I doubt you could find a single sound file that would instill the same fear as SHODAN's voice does consistently throughout System Shock.
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So this decade's practically done - anything you'd like, miss etc about this decade when it's passed. I mean a lot of trends of the early part of the decade are dying or dead. Things like Geocities that were born in the previous decade are dead now.
90s trends has started its resurgence.
Also it makes me feel slightly old considering that the English remake of the Danish film Brothers (it's ok but the original's still better) has a cast that I'd consider roughly around my age and well they're pretty much playing people my age married and such (though of course there's still plenty of twentysomethings still playing teenagers).
@(Starman) Starman: Boybands that started in the late 80s and popular by the early 90s are back :P.
Grunge and Nirvana is in fashion. Look at the clothes we wear. It can be compared to the 60s and 90s. A lot of stuff is happening but it's just slow and subtle. Heck look at what's on TV and the type of topics covered :P
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I'm only about a level 30 in the multiplayer because I prefer single-player games.
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Have you ever "discovered" a completely unique game years after everyone else?
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[www.handdrawngames.com]
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I'd elaborate more, but basically I can't really afford another subscription plan, so there goes the 360, sadly. (Yeah, not really uplifting on the card either.) But I'm also looking for a good purchase of a Blu-ray player, and I'm thinking that the PS3 seems perfect for my needs. ^_^
So, what games do you suggest are the best for buying? (That includes multiphatform games. :P)
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Σ(゚Д゚)!? *avoids the beer bottle*
Yesterday i was hanging out at the queen center mall with my friends Edward and Luis and three other guys(friends from work)and i told them that i was going to buy a 360, and the first thing the came out of one the guys was..
"finally you'll will know how much better is Live than the PSN"....that's the clean version of what he say ^_^
Now i've play Edward 360 and neither Edward or i have found the difference between the two(other than the lack of demos for PSN games), and the guy couldn't provide me with a good example of what makes it better...other than the same old arguments ^_^
So what exactly makes Live better than PSN?
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Apparently cross game chat is a big deal. I for one wont be using the feature if it is implemented in PSN but a lot PSN users are clamoring for the feature to be included.
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@Curse lily: A lot of people would probably agree that it's a lot easier to hook up with friends, because Live is built with that sort of thing in mind. You can party up with friends and just chat while playing different games, or jump into a game lobby with them no problem. PS3 games all have to do that on a game-by-game basis.
As a UK user I'd also agree that the marketplace is a lot better. Since the EU PSN Store updates are either scarce or missing things altogether and only happen once a week, the 360 wins by default. It gets things earlier, gets more things and has all the extra arcade stuff PSN might not get and with demos to boot.
PSN has been catching up though and is not far behind.
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I've personally had problems with using PSN over a wireless WiFi where I couldn't connect, couldn't join games, or would get dropped from games. It was fixed by using a wired connection.
Live doesn't seem to update as often as PSN, and when it does it is very quick and painless. It prompts you and gives you an easy option to start it right then. You don't have to remember where the System Update option is. The download just takes a few seconds, restarts automatically, and doesn't bother me with series of menus each time about "Agreeing to things," or "Would I like to turn off the system when it's finished," kind of stuff.
I hate how often after getting a new PS3 game I find I have to spend 20 minutes downloading the new system update, and then more time for it to install.
Game updates install much quicker too. I remember the SOCOM update taking over 3 hours to download, and then it had to install it (which took a long time too). I think the longest I've had to wait for a update over Live is about 20 seconds, with no separate install wait needed.
As well, Live features party chat. I'm often playing one game while chatting with my friends playing different games. The nice thing about party chat is that you can't hear the strangers you're playing with, and they can't hear you. A big convenience for some of us.
But overall, the network just seems more stable in my experience.
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PSN is slowly but surely catching up to XBL in features. It is more of a wash now than it was, but at first there was really no comparison, PSN just didn't have any of the features that XBL did.
I personally like the fact that MS forces devs to go through their infrastructure and to integrate live into the games. PSN matchmaking is done solely by the publisher/developer of the title, and it is really hit or miss (or at least it was).
Back when I had access to and played a launch PS3, I was always amazed at the variations in online quality between different games. On XBL it is a very similar experience across the board. Friends can invite you in, matchmaking is usually behind the curtains, etc etc.
The PS3 also didn't have trophies and game comparisons for the longest time.
Cross game party chat is also fantastic. It is one of the features that you don't know you'll take for granted once it is there. I'm REALLY hating MW2 for disabling it...
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1) I know way more people on Live than on PSN.
2) Finding people and talking to people is far more simple, intuitive, and pleasant on Live IN MY EXPERIENCE. I can't claim the experience of others.
3) Party chat and cross-game chat, for me, is imperative. It is simply not an option for me not to have it. These two things alone are worth the crappy $4 a month.
4) I like sending voice messages. PSN needs this NOW.
5) Finally, although this has nothing really to do with PSN or Live, I hate... HATE... that you have to be a network administrator in order to get the PS3 to download updates to games any faster than a 56k modem. The 360 works lightning speed right out of the box without any adjustments. The PS3, doesn't. Burnout Paradise updated in 15 minutes on the 360. On the PS3 it took an hour and 20 minutes.
If that's the kind of online capability I experience with the PS3, it's no wonder that my experiences playing online GAMES on it have been less than satisfactory, and that's WITH it connected hard-line.
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I want this gen to at least last another 3 more years. Also, natal is coming out and if that takes off, hopefully this gen will be prolonged.
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and it hasnt red ringed yet? im shocked
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I just listened to the entirety of In Utero by Nirvana, and I think it's awesome, and I'm about to go out and nab the new Them Crooked Vultures album, which sounds funky.
How about you guys? Favorite bands? Songs on repeat?
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Trying not to listen to Jay-Z's Blueprint 3 too much. It's a good album.
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Just throwing this out there but you may like a band called Apollo Up! [www.myspace.com]
Got a great straightforward rock sound. And the singer sounds a lot like Speedo from Rocket from the Crypt (another great band. RIP RFTC!).
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I'm the same way with music as I am with games.
My favorite band is always the next new one.
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Yeah, Homme is awesome. I just hope he actually gets around to remastering the self-titled. Thing is beastly.
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Music's awesome, though. It's a whole different medium for expressing the world we live in. Or just a damn good time. Or depressing as shit.
Well, it's good, whichever way you want it.
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#tips
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I just found that there was this great concept behind The Fame, but that the tracks didn't really support it that well, and some were just clearly better than others, but if those new ones are consistent I may as well try it out.
iTunes, GO!
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@DCSimian: Oh, definitely! I took a break from the whole rap/hiphop genre up until I heard Lupe. He's what brought me back.
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I'm not sure whether to continue this project yet. Anyone interested from this little screenshot?
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That better be the multiplayer mode.
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Maybe Ocarina of Time.
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1. Go to [www.gamespot.com]
2. Scroll down until you see a BC2 banner.
3. Sign in or create an account. You will get your code as soon as you sign in.
For US addresses/PSN only.
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Save me, have you signed up? Is it looking like it'll be a good game?
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Yeah, I've already signed up, downloaded, installed and updated it in less than an hour ago.
I'll check it out later today.
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The majority of the readership here is in their 20's. Yet they come in here talking about their childhood like they are Walter Matthau.
Games weren't BETTER back then. You were just more easily amused, and a lot less cynical.
Remember that at the same age you thought Megaman was so flipping awesome, you also thought Thundercats was high drama worthy of a primetime slot, and you would spend hours playing with a cardboard tube and pretending you were Lion-O.
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(Still waiting for a sprite-based, 1080p Megaman X9, you hear me, Capcom?)
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And, for the record, Megaman is, and will always be awesome. No need for the hate, my friend. =)
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Fun games are fun, and that includes the old ones and the new ones. I occasionally spend too long playing an unfun game waiting for it to become fun...but there's definitely still a decent number of fun games coming out, and nothing from yesteryear matches the fun I have from jumping online with friends I otherwise wouldn't be able to game with, and socializing while working towards a common goal in a game.
(Which, tonight, was zombies in Borderlands, an excellent example of fun.)
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*Tear of joy*
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Why else would we see so many remakes of games on handhelds or PSN/XBA that encompass exactly those traits from the games of previous generations?
There's something to be said about the booming industry that is simple Wii and PopCap games...
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I think games, in general, were better when I was younger. Don't get me wrong, there have been some great games of recent time, but my favourite games are all from around 1985-1998 (or so).
I find myself playing older games over and over again, not because of nostalgia, but of how good the games were. I don't find much re-playability in newer games. Maybe this will be different in the next 10-20 years. We shall see.
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I do take the time every weekend to play around with a cardboard tube and fight crime, and I suggest you all do the same.
No, for your safety, please don't do that.
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With respect to games, I'm interested to see where it's going. I want to know what comes next.
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Anyway, agree with your point. If you've ever gone back and tried to relive the nostalgic gaming of your childhood, you'll often be easily frustrated--not because of the difficulty, but the archaic game design. No save points? Stupid jump mechanics? Shoddy menus? Exploitable bugs? Sloppy level design? They've got 'em all.
And for the record, both the old school Mega Mans and Thundercats are still great.
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Funny, lots of people would call these classics. :)
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And someone also commented on the simplicity... not in the level of difficulty, but the controls. I miss that too. I think there's something to be said for that ability to pick up and play and just have brainless fun. I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the most fun I've had this year has been with fairly simple stuff like EDF, Klonoa, Punch-Out, Shadow Complex, Trine, Plants vs. Zombies... there's not too much going on with complexity but they are still so much fun.
The childhood factor has something to do with it too, nostalgia and all, plus our imagination and the ability for a game to capture it starts to wane as we get older.
On the other hand, the power to make a wonderful, immersive game is much greater today. I don't think it's maximized enough, but a game like Uncharted 2 is an experience that is different from anything an old school game can deliver.
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I'm not saying there were not *good* games. Just that they weren't awesome. It is the same with this generation, though. There are great games, but 15 years from now I know they'll have *better* games.
If these discussions were filled with critical looks at old gaming, that would be one thing, but they aren't. They are filled with will abashed love for titles that were good for the time.
To understand my point, just look at all the comments in TAY today. Half of them already saying how much they loved Donkey Kong.
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This applies to this day and age too. There are games that are only 'good for the time' now. In my humble opinion, there is plenty of absolutely terrible games now, I'd say the bad far outweighs the good. Every generation is going to have it's good and bad games.
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""Seriously, are things really getting worse? Well, a pessimist might say that everything in the world is steadily going downhill – that nowadays, everything is shit. Well, call me a cockeyed optimist, but I don't think that's true. I think everything has always been shit...
"Yes there were some great movies or novels or politicians back in the old days, but we remember them precisely because everything they were surrounded by was shit. Most old movies? Shit. Most old novels? Shit. Most actors? Shit. Most rock music? Shit. Most shit? Shit."
Any comparison between the levels of shit and good is always out of whack because you only remember the really good (or the really bad) from 15 years ago. You don't remember all the mediocre shit inbetween.
I've actually written a little essay about this before: [talkamongstyourselves.freeforums.org]
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On the flip side, what about current gen games makes them better? I'm interested in what you think games these days do differently that older games don't offer. Or can't offer, I suppose in some cases.
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"Classic" gaming also couldn't deliver multiplayer. The earliest games that could (and I played them) were good (or great) at the time, but they are all put to shame by the stuff out there now.
Purists may argue that Counter Strike is still popular, but CS is popular because people are comfortable with the gameplay, not because it is executed better than CoD or anything else.
The list of RPGs that are *better* is long as hell... Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Oblivion, Fallout... the list goes on and on, and it is full of games that could not be executed like they are now 10 years ago.
Sandbox games exist because the hardware is now capable of realizing them, and budgets are big enough to make them. Borderlands, GTA, Infamous, Prototype, Crackdown, etc etc... They all deliver worlds that light years beyond what was realized before.
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Sounds like you've become waaaaay too cynical and high-minded and largely blinded by technology. Just because something wasn't possible on older stuff does not mean the new stuff is instantly better.
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@Yossarian: Bioshock would not have delivered if it had been done in 1989. Heck, I could argue that it couldn't deliver if done in 2001.
"Look at you, hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?" -SHODAN
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I agree with you on Counter Strike, RPGs, and Sandbox Games. However, I still don't think that advances in gameplay or graphics negate the fun created by a previous game. If a game is fun, it's fun for whatever reason. Do some games withstand the test of time and tech better than others? Definitely. Do others continue to be fun after a decade or more? Definitely. I think it generally falls under your article you wrote: 90/10.
And I agree: I try not to let the shadows of old games taint my enjoyment of new ones. I never enjoyed Donkey Kong and I still don't. I'm not sure how that figures in though...
I disagree with your thoughts on Bioshock based on my ignorant opinion of the game. My opinion is cloaked in tiny bits of evil, over-hype, and general lethargy. So we'll need to agree to disagree there - if only because I'm silly.
Sorry it took so long to reply - work's busy right before the holidays. A web designer's work is never done.
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Games have that interactive factor. Playing DKC when I was younger (I'm 28 going on 29) was fantastic b/c I had fun controlling the character through all the levels and whatever else they threw at me. I'd probably still have as much fun with it today, not only b/c of the nostalgia factor, but b/c it was a well-designed game that's just fun.
With a TV show like Thundercats, we grow out of it b/c the dialog is silly and we realize it's cheesy as hell. But even then, some shows stand the test of time b/c they're well made, like some older Looney Tunes cartoons or Batman: TAS.
But with games, I think a well-designed interactive experience resonates with us more. I still play ski-ball, air hockey, foosball, basketball, etc., b/c they're fun. They really haven't changed in years. All these things challenge us and we all like a good challenge.
My 2 cents.
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I can clearly remember the mediocre, the great and the downright shit, I have wasted a lot of cash on some seriously shit and mediocre titles (as did my parents). I still find myself thinking why the hell did I buy this these days. There is a lot of great, good, OK and shit titles at the moment, it's always going to be like that. It just seems to me, for my tastes, there is way more crap.
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@DCSimian: To clarify, I'm not claiming that old games are all shit. I'm just bemoaning the constant nostalgia that goes on in TAY and puts games up on pedastals. Also, I would never argue that there are defining games in all generations that came up with a gameplay mechanic, nailed it, and defined it for all games to come. That is exactly what ski-ball, air-hockey, etc have done. They were the games that nailed an experience that in some cases (like pinball) had been evolving for a couple hundred of years in various forms.
@NeöStarr: I knew someone would immediately throw System Shock out there. I was going to call it out by name, but decided not to in the hopes of painting a broad stroke. That said, if you played it today could you honestly say that it had the visual and audio impact of Bioshock?
@Ueziel: It sounds like you don't like anything modern just to be contrary. It is obviously just your opinion versus mine, but you can't seriously claim all of those games are crap. You may prefer your RPGs to use sprites and have written text. That may make the game better for you because you get to animate the characters in your mind and make up their voices. I happen to think that as far as entertainment goes, Fallout 3 and Mass Effect are about as good as they have gotten.
Here's an example from my past: I LOOOOOOOOOVED X-wing vs Tie Fighter. LOVED it. There is NO way, though, that I don't think it could be made even better with modern graphics, physics, increased storage, memory, etc etc. That doesn't mean the game was great. It was. For it's time. A modern iteration, though, would blow it out of the water pretty damn easily.
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Are You Holding Out Until the Hardened Edition is at a Reasonable Price for a Special Edition?
Does £50 Sound About Right?
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Then you May want to head on down to ShopTo.net . I ordered my copy yesterday, and I am awaiting it's arrival.
Just thought this was a deal that people might like to hear about...
Then Head on Down
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*me is eliminated by a pak of Pez hunters*
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*Pokes Starman with a red hot poker*
What the hell just happened to you?
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90s trends has started its resurgence.
Also it makes me feel slightly old considering that the English remake of the Danish film Brothers (it's ok but the original's still better) has a cast that I'd consider roughly around my age and well they're pretty much playing people my age married and such (though of course there's still plenty of twentysomethings still playing teenagers).
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Oh god, seriously?
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Grunge and Nirvana is in fashion. Look at the clothes we wear. It can be compared to the 60s and 90s. A lot of stuff is happening but it's just slow and subtle. Heck look at what's on TV and the type of topics covered :P
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