After going through the game, I made my homework and read the play by Wilde it is based on (inspired by?). It's a pretty short read (15 min?) that can be found there: [etext.lib.virginia.edu]
While it can be played with no prior knowledge, I suspect the experience is more powerful and more intelligible with the play in mind. That said, it also raises a number of questions about the choices made by the creators, the things they could have done, the things they changed, etc.
NOTE: In Wilde's retelling of the tale, it's a (pseudo)-prophet named Iokanaan that is in the jail.
@MarcianTobay: It is out. I am not sure why this is the preview template that was used. As linked in the previous entry about the game, it can be purchased there: [tale-of-tales.com]
I finally was able to see the slideshow/trailer, and noticed that in one of the rooms there was a modern 6-string guitar. 2000 years ago. Talk about historical accuracy!
@Timstuff: Actually there are several anachronisms put in the game on purpose (the guitar is next to an amp, so it has to be on purpose). I assume it is to underline the timelessness of the tale. Is it a good idea? I am not sure, but it is no accident.
It's strange to pick this out of the entire new testament and then make it into something it's really not about. Which is fine, artistic license and all that I guess.
The book, though, is about Jesus' life and I find that faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more interesting.
I played through Fatale last night and I think it's by far Tale of Tales' worst effort. I don't know if I was playing it wrong, but all I did was blow out candles for thirty minutes.
And isn't this supposed to be an artistic interpretation of the story or something? If there is any meaning here, it's far too abstract for me to understand.
@Jorw: When you restart the game after completing it, you get to see an epilogue. While it does not explain anything, it gave me some time to reflect about the game and understand a number of things that flew way over my head during the play through. My lack of familiarity with the biblical story and its retelling by Wild certainly did not help, but the game designers where not that helpful either (to be more precise, I think they tried but failed, at least with me).
Some good ideas, some good moments, indubitably original, but overall the experience is a bit rough around the edges and tends to confuse mystery and illegibility, both in interface design and storytelling. Or maybe I am just dumb, which is something that should never be ruled out.
This being said, very few experiments result in a complete success, so I am fine with paying $7 to get an hour of entertainment and encourage people to continue experimenting.
Holy shit. A religious game that actually sounds like it could be good? I guess I'd better check is the sky isn't clouded with flies, and rivers aren't running red with blood...
This looked less than spectacular, until I watched/listened to the trailer.
I would buy this if I had $7 to spare.
Which I don't after getting laid off due to budget cuts.
Also, question for Glasser:
"She dances what passed for a striptease back in those days"
What do you mean by "what passed for"? I was under the impression that back in those days, people were far more into the whole "clothing optional" thing. What would make it any less revealing back then compared to now?
@Monolith: We're talking rich girl circa 14 AD. That means she had money for clothes. As I understand it, clothes therefore = money = sexy. So her veil dance where I think she's actively making use of clothing counts as a "striptease" because it follows the same principles only with the clothes being on instead of off.
But like I said, my grasp of the Bible is weak at best. That could have been a reference to playing chess for all I know :)
@abyssion1337: I agree. I think Kotaku blew it out of proportion with the whole "Biblical Striptease!" thing. Then again, I haven't played it, so what the hell do I know.
Just jumping off from AJ's comment about her interest in the Salome story despite being Jewish, here's a little site that makes the bible fun for people of any religion: [www.thebricktestament.com]
(NSFW in a Lego sort of way)
I love how ridiculously fucked up so much of the Bible is. The old-testament, I mean. The people who wrote that thing were on some serious crack. And yet people still think that Pastafarianism is weird. Can't have religion without hypocrisy. That's why I have no religion. Not that I'm never hypocritical, just less so.
Well, actually, I imagine that "the people who wrote the Old Testament" didn't or wouldn't think that the Old Testament was weird, regardless of what other people thought about it -- just as Pastafarians (though I don't think Pastafarians really believe Pastafarianism ["Pasta?"]) likely don't think Pasta is weird.
To put it shortly, "weird" is kind of subjective. Just because Person B thinks that Person A's ideas are warped, doesn't make Person A a hypocrite for disliking Person B's ideas for being "weird" if Person A really doesn't believe that his or her own ideas are weird -- regardless of what person B says about those ideas.
I'm familiar with the basic premise behind "Pastafarianism," its origins, and what it's spoofing and criticizing. May I ask what, exactly, you were intending to pinpoint via Wikipedia (Wikipedia?) ?
@dracosummoner: Your "just as Pastafarians (though I don't think Pastafarians really believe Pastafarianism ['Pasta?']) likely don't think Pasta is weird" bit made you sound as if you're unfamiliar with the concept. That's all.
Which reminds me when are we going to get a huge epic adventure of David VS Goliath? Not only will it be awesome but the sequel is easily done too, its David VS Goliath's son, Goliath 2!
@excel_excel: Please, we're living in the NBA age. While I'm sure getting close to 7' tall was impressive for those ancient midgets, I've seen how easily Yao Ming goes down without anyone hurling rocks his way.
inb4 discovering the song of solomon scene buried in the code leading to a media frenzy
(but seriously, have you ever read any of song of solomon? paraphrased a bit since its based on what I remember "Your stature is like a tree and your breasts like fruit, how I long to climb the tree and seize the fruit" for the bible thats like straight up porn, lol)
I'm quite familiar with the Song of Solomon, and it distresses me to hear even some Christians referring to the material as pornographic or perverted. There IS a time and place for freedom of sexual expression, and King Solomon and his wife simply choose to hold nothing back from each other.
Good joke, though. That was pretty creative.
Back on topic, though: I'm fairly certain that the Biblical account isn't anywhere lengthy enough to sustain a game story, but I'm not familiar with the Oscar Wilde play, so I don't know how it did or didn't "expand" on the Biblical account ...
@dracosummoner: don't get me wrong I understand its about the beauty of love within the relationship of marriage and all, but it is more explicit than most people expect from the bible
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While it can be played with no prior knowledge, I suspect the experience is more powerful and more intelligible with the play in mind. That said, it also raises a number of questions about the choices made by the creators, the things they could have done, the things they changed, etc.
NOTE: In Wilde's retelling of the tale, it's a (pseudo)-prophet named Iokanaan that is in the jail.
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When this game comes out, I'm just going to let my eyes become unfocused and scroll through the review, seeing if there's more Blue text than Red.
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The book, though, is about Jesus' life and I find that faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more interesting.
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It needed more explosions and chase scenes.
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And isn't this supposed to be an artistic interpretation of the story or something? If there is any meaning here, it's far too abstract for me to understand.
10/07/09
Some good ideas, some good moments, indubitably original, but overall the experience is a bit rough around the edges and tends to confuse mystery and illegibility, both in interface design and storytelling. Or maybe I am just dumb, which is something that should never be ruled out.
This being said, very few experiments result in a complete success, so I am fine with paying $7 to get an hour of entertainment and encourage people to continue experimenting.
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I would buy this if I had $7 to spare.
Which I don't after getting laid off due to budget cuts.
Also, question for Glasser:
"She dances what passed for a striptease back in those days"
What do you mean by "what passed for"? I was under the impression that back in those days, people were far more into the whole "clothing optional" thing. What would make it any less revealing back then compared to now?
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But like I said, my grasp of the Bible is weak at best. That could have been a reference to playing chess for all I know :)
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Which is incredibly awesome when you think about it. What I wouldn't give to live for a couple years in that time period.
...(as a noble obviously).
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The girl, however, was a dancer in the court of one of the government officials, so she was probably more elaborately dressed than others.
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[www.thebricktestament.com]
(NSFW in a Lego sort of way)
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Well, actually, I imagine that "the people who wrote the Old Testament" didn't or wouldn't think that the Old Testament was weird, regardless of what other people thought about it -- just as Pastafarians (though I don't think Pastafarians really believe Pastafarianism ["Pasta?"]) likely don't think Pasta is weird.
To put it shortly, "weird" is kind of subjective. Just because Person B thinks that Person A's ideas are warped, doesn't make Person A a hypocrite for disliking Person B's ideas for being "weird" if Person A really doesn't believe that his or her own ideas are weird -- regardless of what person B says about those ideas.
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I'm familiar with the basic premise behind "Pastafarianism," its origins, and what it's spoofing and criticizing. May I ask what, exactly, you were intending to pinpoint via Wikipedia (Wikipedia?) ?
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(but seriously, have you ever read any of song of solomon? paraphrased a bit since its based on what I remember "Your stature is like a tree and your breasts like fruit, how I long to climb the tree and seize the fruit" for the bible thats like straight up porn, lol)
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I'm quite familiar with the Song of Solomon, and it distresses me to hear even some Christians referring to the material as pornographic or perverted. There IS a time and place for freedom of sexual expression, and King Solomon and his wife simply choose to hold nothing back from each other.
Good joke, though. That was pretty creative.
Back on topic, though: I'm fairly certain that the Biblical account isn't anywhere lengthy enough to sustain a game story, but I'm not familiar with the Oscar Wilde play, so I don't know how it did or didn't "expand" on the Biblical account ...
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