all this news of gamestop breaking street dates at a cooperate level fills me with the hope that game producers will stop giving them preferential treatment that centers around exploitative pre-order practices and exclusive editions of games. #gamestop
This is getting out of hand. If GameStop gets to break the rules just by pointing and saying 'nuh-uh they did it first' then somethings wrong. I can respect wanting to keep customer loyalty and everything, absolutely, but not at the expense of Ubisoft and EA's product's integrity. It doesn't ruin much but its still just juvenile that they get to do what they want just because 'he did it first!' #gamestop
@Muffin_Man: It's all about economics though. It's not just about someone else doing it first but rather, the fact that they are going to/will lose sales because of it. #gamestop
@NeVeRMoRe666: This is also a matter of customers working the system and forcing companies to break their own rules. I blame the customer as much as GameStop, in this case. What they should be doing is giving the finger to other companies and saying, "No, you broke the rules, and we won't sink to your level." As Muffin Man said, it's just juvenile. #gamestop
@RevProtocol: @Guts4: The fact of the matter is that because other's broke street date, Gamestop will stand to lose money (ie. Customers canceling their preorders to get the game earlier somewhere else, potential sales being lost due to an unfair advantage another business has in having the game out earlier ect.). It's not about who is right or who is wrong. It's a business. They're in it to make money. Put in their shoes, I would have done the same.
@NeVeRMoRe666: You're assuming that others actually broke the street date. Note that in both instances, this "other store" has never been named.
On top of that, the places that are supposedly selling early are "Mom and Pop" stores. How many people honestly go into places like that to buy their games regularly? And with that in mind, how much revenue is Gamestop really losing? #gamestop
@NeVeRMoRe666: But the fact of the matter is it is only 3 stores in Jersey city... Seriously if there are enough stores in JC that sold the game early don't you think that when the employee finds out by the time he call home office and says blah blah blah can we release it now? Everyone else would know and already cancel their pre-order.
In Orlando (nobody released early here BTW) the store I was at for CODMW2 had 12 cancels from that day alone. People wanted to go to another store or walmart with a friend so they canceled. This IS getting out of hand. First with COD which I can understand. If a region of the nation hears of early release then they will go to where they can and cancel their game stop reserve. But for a few stores in Jersey? It may be business as you said... but, it seems to me like the are taking advantage of the system now. #gamestop
@NeVeRMoRe666: I'm just waiting for the headline "Game publishers to no longer ship early to GameStop" after this and the whole MW2 thing. Then GS can't offer day-of pickups, and loses business to retailers who obey street dates. So while they're "trying to stay competitive" with other that break street date, they're putting their own ability to offer "release date" sales at risk.
Shotgun, meet foot.
If they were smart, they'd report places breaking street date to the publishers instead of breaking it themselves. #gamestop
@AcidTWister: It's been widely confirmed from many other sources (ie. giantbomb) that you can go into some indie stores and get the game early. It's really not surprise to me. Businesses that work for themselves have no "corporate" dictating their every move. The money they make goes back into their own pockets. I would be stupid not to break street date if I could.
To address your question about "how much revenue is Gamestop really losing?" I would say quite a bit. But on the same hand, I will also say any amount is too much. I don't know whether it's from my experience working in a very competitive field, but if you stand to lose any amount of money and you have the recourse to remedy the fact, then you have to take it. You owe it to your investors not to lose any profit or the loyalty of repeat customers. Judging from the situation here in Canada, retail gaming has become an incredibly competitive businesses. An example of this is the pricing war set between Futureshop, Bestbuy, Walmart and EB games (Gamestop)- with Walmart releasing games at $39.99 to undercut sales and Bestbuy matching used game prices for new games ect. Gamestop has to do all it can to get ahead.
@The Moof: Ah I doubt it. Gamestop makes waaaay too much money for them. They have locations in every mall (sometimes two). I would say Gamestop is the one that wears the pants in this relationship, at least until they work out digital distribution. #gamestop
Great job there, GameStop. Providing developers and publishers a very concrete reason to do business with console manufacturers and service suppliers directly by way of digital downloads, cutting retail out entirely.
What a bunch of brain scientists. I mean rocket surgeons. I... fuck this. #gamestop
@Phydeaux: If you think something this minor is going to cut out retail entirely someday then you are insane.
I don't see what the big deal is, the developer and publisher still get their money and why not sell the game? Its just sitting in a warehouse doing nothing after all. #gamestop
Yes, it will cut out retail if retail thinks it's too big for it's britches and developers and publishers see it as more feasible to sell through online stores.
Don't you think for a second that if publishers thought that they could sell you product with less overhead, with their full control over release and permissions and is not a physical product that you can resell as used that they wouldn't do it. It's getting there, GS needs to be playing smarter so that they don't become "that place where you can get consoles and accessories, but not games". #gamestop
Couldn't GameStop use this an excuse to break the street date on any game? I mean, is anyone going to check that some independent store has actually broken the release date first? #gamestop
This is becoming an ugly trend. There are stores that break street dates, but getting approval to do so from the corporate office is unethical. One of these companies needs to put their foot down and impose some penalties, even if Gamestop is a big, scary giant. #gamestop
I don't care if it was a month early, I would still never buy a game from Gamestop. They are leeches on the game industry, and actively pursue business practices that harm developers' revenue.
And I, for one, actually give half a shit that game developers stay in business. #gamestop
Sorry, that's one thing that I wish to keep completely profitable and legal. A channel that will only go away if this garbage of breaking street dates continues. #gamestop
This surprises anyone?
They broke the MW2 date then said because the independents did first it was an excuse, and they've done it again.
Publisher need to put their heel down for all the stores or come up with a better distribution system to limit this happening again. #gamestop
i respect street dates, i've never tried to buy a game before it came out, i've never tried to get a pirated copy of it early or anything. I am retarded with dates, i remember all cool dates, say in 10 years we hold the same respect to TNSMBwii as we do to say, Mario 1-3(and i think we will) i like to be able to look back and say, ya the day that sucker was released, i went to wherever and got it, and me and my friends played the living fuck out of it.
Today at work i held assasins creed 2, and the new mario, but i work at a future shop in the game department, and as long as it doesn't leave the back of the store, i can hold it all i want (and i do, infact i take my breaks with them... syke). #gamestop
Do you think we'll ever find out which "rogue independent" broke the street date?
I'd like to have some proof that GameStop isn't just using a fabricated store as a justification for breaking street date, but I don't think we'll ever get that proof.
It also seems odd that corporate would authorize this on a Saturday.
Here's my two cents. I own a small mom and pop game store. MW2 brought in 10X as much revenue the store has ever done in a single game. Why? Because I sold it 1 day early. I could have had it last Thursday. Do you think I could have sold anywhere near as many copies without having it early? No. But I had to sign a piece of paper from the distributors saying I couldn't pick it up until Monday, even though they had it 5 days early. I can't afford to pick up hundreds if not Thousands of copies of one game. Although Gamestop can. The only jump I have on gamestop is that we have all the old gaming systems...literally everything, and we have games early.
How many copies did I sell the actual day of release...about 5.....Because you can pick it up everywhere else. Plus all the crappy exclusive pre-order bonuses that they get too....why would you buy from someone else if you can get more for your money? Other than actually talking to someone who isn't a pimply faced kid at Gamestop who has always thought that the Nintendo 64 was the first video system ever.
If Gamestop now releases games early, What is the point?
Again, I was supposed to have AC2 and L4D2 on Thursday, now I don't get it till Monday morning...Why? Because my distributors are all scared of getting fined and whatnot because all the publishers are cracking down and in turn I pay the price because of Gamestop's crap. #gamestop
@themadman123: While, in my experience, the general employees of Gamestop are good people (bear in mind that they get screwed over by the company a hell of a lot more than customers do), I can appreciate your keeping a non-corporate store in business.
I really, honestly, miss those stores around here. We used to have some great, relaxing game stores. I've only really happened upon one around Atlanta recently, and it was terrible. Elitist, smug clerks. And boy, did they ever gouge worse than Gamestop on used sales... But then it seems incredibly difficult to stay in business, so what can you do? #gamestop
@themadman123: Actually, you're paying the price for your own decision. GameStop is pursuing this course of action because other stores are breaking the street date, as you admitted to doing. And your justification-- that doing so helped you make more money-- isn't helping your cause. Now, I'd prefer if everyone would just sell the game on the day it's actually supposed to be released-- then we'd see some actual incentive-based competition. There are other ways to fight GameStop-- maybe try to have a better store than they have?-- and stop complaining about your inability to sell games early. #gamestop
@wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!: But, being a mom & pop store chain (with maybe no more than 10 stores) is hard when trying to compete against Gamestop or the big box retailers. I, personally, would go to a small retailer if they had the games and service I wanted. But, I can't, because Gamestop has run them out of town. Honestly, it is only fair in business. If he can get the game early, then he should sell it early. The publisher might not truly notice, because they are worried about the big places breaking the street date. #gamestop
@midniteslayr: Your logic is absurdist. By the same token, big retailers should sell the game early if they get it early... because GameStop and Best Buy and Wal-Mart aren't in the business of propping up smaller chains. I'm all for small, indie stores making good... but I'm not cool with them cheating the game to stay afloat. #gamestop
@Keepin It Hamsta: Yeah it's like that here in NY too. Seriously, out of thousands of GameStops, three break the street date and we're supposed to believe that this is some sort of insidious company-wide plot? #gamestop
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On top of that, the places that are supposedly selling early are "Mom and Pop" stores. How many people honestly go into places like that to buy their games regularly? And with that in mind, how much revenue is Gamestop really losing? #gamestop
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In Orlando (nobody released early here BTW) the store I was at for CODMW2 had 12 cancels from that day alone. People wanted to go to another store or walmart with a friend so they canceled. This IS getting out of hand. First with COD which I can understand. If a region of the nation hears of early release then they will go to where they can and cancel their game stop reserve. But for a few stores in Jersey? It may be business as you said... but, it seems to me like the are taking advantage of the system now. #gamestop
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Shotgun, meet foot.
If they were smart, they'd report places breaking street date to the publishers instead of breaking it themselves. #gamestop
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So either :) or :[ for you! #gamestop
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To address your question about "how much revenue is Gamestop really losing?" I would say quite a bit. But on the same hand, I will also say any amount is too much. I don't know whether it's from my experience working in a very competitive field, but if you stand to lose any amount of money and you have the recourse to remedy the fact, then you have to take it. You owe it to your investors not to lose any profit or the loyalty of repeat customers. Judging from the situation here in Canada, retail gaming has become an incredibly competitive businesses. An example of this is the pricing war set between Futureshop, Bestbuy, Walmart and EB games (Gamestop)- with Walmart releasing games at $39.99 to undercut sales and Bestbuy matching used game prices for new games ect. Gamestop has to do all it can to get ahead.
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I know. I'm usually on the side of Mom and Pop stores too but in the end, this is capitalism. I would expect no different. #gamestop
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.....I'm sorry, but I can't draw a tenth of a ounce of rage over this. #gamestop
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Great job there, GameStop. Providing developers and publishers a very concrete reason to do business with console manufacturers and service suppliers directly by way of digital downloads, cutting retail out entirely.
What a bunch of brain scientists. I mean rocket surgeons. I... fuck this. #gamestop
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I don't see what the big deal is, the developer and publisher still get their money and why not sell the game? Its just sitting in a warehouse doing nothing after all. #gamestop
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Yes, it will cut out retail if retail thinks it's too big for it's britches and developers and publishers see it as more feasible to sell through online stores.
Don't you think for a second that if publishers thought that they could sell you product with less overhead, with their full control over release and permissions and is not a physical product that you can resell as used that they wouldn't do it. It's getting there, GS needs to be playing smarter so that they don't become "that place where you can get consoles and accessories, but not games". #gamestop
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And I, for one, actually give half a shit that game developers stay in business. #gamestop
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Sorry, that's one thing that I wish to keep completely profitable and legal. A channel that will only go away if this garbage of breaking street dates continues. #gamestop
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They broke the MW2 date then said because the independents did first it was an excuse, and they've done it again.
Publisher need to put their heel down for all the stores or come up with a better distribution system to limit this happening again. #gamestop
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Today at work i held assasins creed 2, and the new mario, but i work at a future shop in the game department, and as long as it doesn't leave the back of the store, i can hold it all i want (and i do, infact i take my breaks with them... syke). #gamestop
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I'd like to have some proof that GameStop isn't just using a fabricated store as a justification for breaking street date, but I don't think we'll ever get that proof.
It also seems odd that corporate would authorize this on a Saturday.
But what do I know? #gamestop
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How many copies did I sell the actual day of release...about 5.....Because you can pick it up everywhere else. Plus all the crappy exclusive pre-order bonuses that they get too....why would you buy from someone else if you can get more for your money? Other than actually talking to someone who isn't a pimply faced kid at Gamestop who has always thought that the Nintendo 64 was the first video system ever.
If Gamestop now releases games early, What is the point?
Again, I was supposed to have AC2 and L4D2 on Thursday, now I don't get it till Monday morning...Why? Because my distributors are all scared of getting fined and whatnot because all the publishers are cracking down and in turn I pay the price because of Gamestop's crap. #gamestop
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I really, honestly, miss those stores around here. We used to have some great, relaxing game stores. I've only really happened upon one around Atlanta recently, and it was terrible. Elitist, smug clerks. And boy, did they ever gouge worse than Gamestop on used sales... But then it seems incredibly difficult to stay in business, so what can you do? #gamestop
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