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Pyrefly
11/04/09

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Was good fun just like the first game but i just can't warrant dropping £40 on it. Also does anyone else think the source engine isn't aging that well anymore? i don't want to bash the game but c'mon it is looking a little old now. #xbox360
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hackeesackr
11/03/09

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Valve just loves trolling us. The demo is out now for everyone, don't know why they teased us with a late date... #xbox360
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rainofwalrus
11/03/09

@hackeesackr: and we love every minute of it. #xbox360
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The Cap'n
11/03/09

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I never played the first l4d. This type of game generally isn't even my cup of tea, even. But curiosity over the acclaim for the first one (and boredom) convinced me to download this demo.

Still not my thing, but the Special Infected were pretty cool, and all the graffiti was a nice touch. #xbox360
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deanbmmv
11/03/09

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[steamcommunity.com]
When the demo goes live on Steam we have a get together tomorrow night to give it a shot.
Mics would be great :D

Just bear with Valve Time on this, though this time its 7am, so should be a fair few hours for them to get it sorted, unlike last time where it wasn't relased till well after the event. #xbox360
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toadstoolporridge
11/03/09

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I really wish I had a 360 or a PC to play games like this... :( #xbox360
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suburbancowboy
11/03/09

@toadstoolporridge: I wish I had a television. This game sucks when you don't have a TV. #xbox360
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Cpryd001
11/03/09

@suburbancowboy: I wish I had the internet. I miss forums. :| #xbox360
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Mosaic
11/03/09

@Cpryd001: I wish I had eyes. What do the colors look like? #xbox360
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toadstoolporridge
11/03/09

@toadstoolporridge: I promoted Mosaic's comment and it promoted all of them in my thread, including my own... Has anyone else had this happen to them? I didn't try to promote my own comment. #xbox360
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Nulls
11/03/09

@toadstoolporridge: Yes that is how it works. When you first promote a comment it will promote others in that thread or replies and list them all as promoted.

When you refresh the page only the one comment you promoted will say promoted by you. #xbox360
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toadstoolporridge
11/03/09

@Nulls: Yeah, it looks like that's what happened. All the others became dark-texted like promoted comments, but only the one I promoted says I promoted it. #xbox360
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yargh
11/03/09

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I've played the PC demo about 5 times now. It's short, but awesome. L4D2 is quite different from the original. Blowing limbs off zombies is very satisfying, and I love the fact that they don't disappear into a cloud of red smoke anymore. I already like the new survivors more than the originals and the melee weapons are stupid-fun. Can't wait for the release! #xbox360
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Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
11/03/09

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I'm still a little skeptical (for reasons not having to do with the boycott), but I'll give it a shot and see what happens. #xbox360
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theturbolemming
11/03/09

@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: Are you going to leave it ambiguous, or explain your reasons 'not having to do with the boycott?' #xbox360
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Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
11/03/09

@theturbolemming: I got bored of the first one pretty quick, really. And the versus mode did not win me over. In fact, player conduct on there was so bad that it just put me off the game entirely. The game's general structure only kept me interested for about a week. Once you've beaten each campaign once, which doesn't take long at all, there's not much to do. The AI director didn't really make all that big of a difference to me, either. It's a novel idea, but all it really seemed to do was move around enemy locations. #xbox360
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enderx
11/03/09

@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: if you don't like versus, you're not playing with friends. #xbox360
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Unfather
11/03/09

@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: Huh, you just made me realize that, you're right, the AI director didn't/doesn't make that big of a difference at all. I enjoyed the game for a while but now I can barely tolerate even starting a game because I know if the conditions aren't exactly ideal then I will likely quit within minutes. If it wasn't a laggy server, it was one with stupid rules, and if it wasn't that, it was dick-teammates. Here's hopin' I'm not in for more of the same. Gonna find out in a few minutes I guess :D #xbox360
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Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
11/03/09

@enderx: No, I wasn't. I don't have that many people on my steam friendlist. #xbox360
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Evdor
11/03/09

@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: I humbly suggest joining up with the Kotakuites. I sadly haven't had much time to play with the lot of them, but the vast majority are good people and a blast to play with. I'm sure a game of L4D2 with them will be way more fun than any pug. #xbox360
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The Cynical Librarian
11/03/09

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Well, my evening just got a little sexier. #xbox360
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chronubis
11/03/09

@The Cynical Librarian: I don't know about that... #xbox360
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toadstoolporridge
11/03/09

@chronubis: OH God... Why did you have to make me witness that trainwreck? #xbox360
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The Cynical Librarian
11/03/09

@chronubis: Nope; I stand by my earlier statement. #xbox360
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hackeesackr
11/03/09

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The PC demo won't be released to the public for about another day due to the pre-orders getting it late. 2:00 AM EST November 4th is when the demo will be unlocked. Source:[steamcommunity.com] #xbox360
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Takamofo
11/03/09

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Hooray for not pre-ordering!

But I am excited to play this when I get home. I loved the first one. #xbox360
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Red-1
11/03/09

@Takamofo: Hooray? the game cost me 33$ by pre-oprdering the 4-pack...50$ for you, I don't see in the fun in there...unless you're talking about the 360 version, any discount there? #xbox360
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Larro4
11/03/09

@Red-1: I did the same thing! Hooray for $17 extra dollars! #xbox360
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Red-1
11/03/09

@Larro4: yeah, that's like the equivalent of a Walking Dead tpb to go along with your game! #xbox360
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Takamofo
11/03/09

@Red-1: I won't be buying it right away so a demo is good for me. #xbox360
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dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
11/03/09

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I pre-ordered so I had the demo last week. It's great, if you like L4D you will love it. They have so many new weapons and monsters now. And it plays even better and smoother than before, it's really a V2 and not just something that could've been a downloadable for L4D 1. #xbox360
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nago
11/03/09

@dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!: I still feel the full retail price is a little offputting. Not something that can be done with DLC... Fine. But a full priced game again in just a year? Even if it's a good game, that's a little hard to swallow. #xbox360
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Temidien
11/03/09

@nago: I look at it as a Madden-like purchase for those who prefer zombie-slaying over football-catching. #xbox360
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Sl0th
11/03/09

@nago: It's definitely a bit offputting, especially considering that many people didn't buy the game until well after it had come out.

But, all things considered, as thrilled as I've been with the demo, I'm happy to get the game. #xbox360
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dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
11/03/09

@nago: It's true L4D had very little content for the money. And yet I played it more than any game I've ever owned (and I've been playing video games since space invaders and had an atari 2600 as a kid). So I can't say I didn't get my money's worth. Unlike something like Ghostbusters, which was really full of content and yet I played through it in one week and never felt like touching it again.
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TheGreatRaja
11/03/09

@Sl0th: couldn't agree more actually... that and I'm actually considering this more over MW2 - for some reason the within-a-year release is less off putting then what Craptivision has done with MW2. #xbox360
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enderx
11/03/09

@nago: Do you know what's annoying though?
Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart are still full price.
and they've been out for years.
and atleast one of them is getting a sequel, about 15 minutes away.

Do you know what else is a full price game? Every reiteration of guitar hero.
every nhl game.
every basketball game.

Shut up. #xbox360
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deanbmmv
11/03/09

@enderx: So because of them examples he has to shut up?
no thankyou.
Instead you've given more examples for what should be complained about too.

I hate, HATE hate this attitude folks seeme to have where if something is wrong and people compalin about it, people have this attitude of "put up or shut up" when you should be bombarding publsihers and developers with compalints.
A game is buggy?
don't say "oh well its complex nowdays" No!, other devs manage fairly bug free games they have no excuse
A game is priced higher than it should be, then complain that they are charghing too much
DLC is on disc?
complain

Arrgh, people like you make me RAAAGE. #xbox360
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nago
11/03/09

@enderx: "Shut up"? Is this how we discuss things civilly?

You've provided examples of other games that are clearly milking their fans and are short on content.

What you've not done is provided any civil reason for why my criticism is not still completely valid, especially considering my original criticism was very mild: I'm not saying that L4D2 is a bad game, I'm not saying L4D1 was a bad game. I'm not even saying that I don't WANT L4D2.

I'm saying that $60 is a little much, and I'm also saying that I don't want yearly iterations of this series. #xbox360
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Unfather
11/03/09

@nago: Having just played the 360 demo, I would pay the $60 easy if I didn't already have the first. But since I do, I have a hard time believing that all of the new stuff couldn't have been added with an expansion pack or some DLC. There are some refinements to the Source engine (it really does seem to run smoother while looking better), but I'm not convinced that it would've been impossible to push with a patch. Okay maybe the dismemberment... #xbox360
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Mrmoo2002
11/03/09

@nago: agreed, I bought L4D about a month before they announced L4D2. Yeah, I got it pretty cheap (30 bucks) and it was fun, if not extremely repetitive. But I don't plan on buying this one for a while. #xbox360
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nago
11/03/09

@Unfather: This is pretty much my point. I just got L4D in June, and am still discovering and enjoying it. I don't have the time to devote to a new iteration -- The first one was great and the second one (I've played the demo this evening) seems as awesome as the first: but is there room for two L4Ds?

My criticism was never meant to be that L4D2 was a bad game or not worth buying, but what is a question is, is it worth owning both games?

Especially if you have only recently purchased the first? #xbox360
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BigBooBuddy
11/03/09

@nago: Well, according to those who have played both, it's better and has new campaigns in a new setting with new items and new dialogs and better graphics and better (arguably, I haven't played it yet) levels and new strategies so... I'd say it's worth it. #xbox360
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nago
11/03/09

@BigBooBuddy: I did play the 360 demo. Grabbing the steam demo now. New campaigns could be DLC. Better graphics? Didn't seem radically different on the 360 (Between the two 360 versions): it's just daylight now in a new setting. The rest of your points seem highly subjective.

Try it out yourself. It's still a great game, but I remain unconvinced of $60.

(I think my friends are planning on dipping into the 4-pack for $33/each, which is a much more reasonable price for this.) #xbox360
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BigBooBuddy
11/04/09

@nago: Ok, I played the demo last night and even though I understand your point that the graphics aren't radically different, the few details that I noticed, I honestly think are a considerable improvement; some of the things I noticed (I just played it once, had to go to work):

The weapons detail, a better limb removal system, much more gibs when recieving a shotty kiss, the uncommon common are a great addition that spices up the gameplay, not to mention the melee weapons and new Special Infected.

I don't know if it's because it's a Demo, but my playthrough was kinda empty in the dialog department, so I haven't really gotten to know the new survivors and their character perks yet. #xbox360
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nago
11/04/09

@BigBooBuddy: I've been playing the demo constantly. It is certifiably a better game, but it's small additions.

It IS worth $60 to someone who didn't pay the same for the first one.

For me, it's a lot of small improvements that really do improve the overall experience ... but I still can't see (myself) paying $60 for it.

I think for people who only played, but never purchased, L4D1: L4D2 is an obvious purchase.

Things I liked; New special infected really spice up gameplay: armored infected really "slow" the party down, gore is better, many new weapons, new strategies. #xbox360
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enderx
11/05/09

@nago: Civility is over-rated. In the blog-o-sphere, it's all whining. and you shouldn't take 'shut up!!!11111' so seriously. However -
your criticism isn't valid. you haven't criticized anything. you've said you felt it was off putting. that's it.

Is the game worth 60 bucks?
100% yes.
was l4d worth the price?
100% yes.

I just paid 60 dollars for Mini Ninjas. there's only a single player type game to it. the art in it is FANTASTIC though, so I didn't mind giving it the 60 bucks.

l4d2 already has three times the playability of that game. I can play alone.
I can play co-op.
i can play online.

hell, let's break the game down into 20 dollar values.
single player? 20 dollars.
co-op? 20 dollars.
competitive? 20 dollars.

hell, it's even a VALVE game - and the name Valve alone lets me know that:
a: TONS of quality control
b: AMAZING designers
c: AMAZING gaming concepts
d: GREAT attention to detail
e: ongoing support
f: DLC (mostly free, a shame for 360's.)
g: Massive amounts of people always playing

so what was your point? that you felt it 'off putting' to pay full price for a game? Fine.
don't.

Wait a couple of months. It'll be on sale for like 4 dollars.

what's l4d2 taught me?
the gaming industry is whiney. it's unforgiving. it's hypocritical. and it's over-opinionated.

Sorry, but Valve trumps any of your opinions historically speaking. They know how to make games - you, do not. (I don't mean you specifically.) (I mean generally.)

I'm going to go with the people that made tfc, tf2, hl 1/2 .. hell, countrstrike? l4d? - Yah, i'll take their word for it. #xbox360
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Asbestos_Underwear
11/03/09

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All other shooters will have you die in 3s due to somebody shooting you from the side or behind. I bet this game has you die in 2s from every angle imaginable.

Although I have to agree, it would make for one hell of a single player campaign setting. #shatteredhorizon
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shouryuuken
11/03/09

@Asbestos_Underwear: yeah, i love the setting and wish this was a story driven game. that would (could) be awesome. #shatteredhorizon
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Keyelite
11/03/09

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If you have a 3Dmark Vantage serial key, or other 3Dmark serial keys you are eligible for 25% off on their official website.

I got Shattered Horizons for 15 dollars thanks to a 3Dmark Vantage serial key that was bundled with my GTX 295 when I registered it on EVGA. #shatteredhorizon
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Yossarian
11/03/09

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In space, noone can hear you on Steam.

Oh wait, what? There's sound? #shatteredhorizon
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hismastersvoice
11/03/09

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Been playing the beta for a while. They still need to optimize the hell out of it, or it will be more demanding than Crysis but otherwise it's shaping up to be a nicely different fps experience. #shatteredhorizon
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