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10/03/09
The purpose of advertising is not to demonstrate support for a given TV show, it's to expose a target demographic to your product; whether that demographic likes to watch Glenn Beck or Keith Olbermann or Nazi rallies often doesn't affect whether they buy your product, and I don't think anyone looks at the commercials for a program and associates them with that program's editorial viewpoint in the first place.
Pulling support is itself a form of advertising; you're choosing to advertise by NOT advertising, and in doing so assuming an actual editorial viewpoint that you didn't have before on an editorial viewpoint that used to be irrelevant to your product.
Stardock is choosing to advertise by not advertising people who are advertising by not advertising Glenn Beck, taking an editorial viewpoint on an editorial viewpoint on an editorial viewpoint.
Maybe Microsoft should now boycott Stardock, taking an editorial viewpoint on an editorial viewpoint on an editorial viewpoint on an editorial viewpoint. Y'know what, fuck it, let's all fly to Australia.
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Also, while not advertising on Program Z may well be a form of advertising in itself, it's one that doesn't cost Company A anything. And of course, they're no longer financially supporting Program Z that Group 2 finds so despicable.
What it comes down to is, what is more profitable: advertising Product X to Group 1 while supporting Program Z and losing customers from Group 2, or pulling advertising from Program Z and alienating Group 1 but retaining all customers from Group 2? Barring actual political activism on the part of Company A (and that's increasingly rare in this day and age), the more profitable path will always win.
10/02/09
Guess what? Steam had it's fair share of issues, and more than it's fair share of complainers (even today) and DRM (it's still DRM, people)and I think it's turned out ok.
Yea, this time it's big bad evil Microsoft at the helm, ready to squeeze the last drop of blood out of the PC stone. I get that- hell, I even agree sometimes. But for me, GFWL is a feature that can get me to look twice at a game I might not have paid much attention to initially.
Aside from the Gears of War certificate issue (not even sure that was a Live issue), and some confusion the first time it needed a GFWL update, it has been a seamless experience for me across quite a few games and hardware changes, and improves with each version.
I actually like having contact with my Xbox Live friends, earning achievements, sending voice messages, joining chats, all while I'm playing through the best versions of Fallout 3, GTA 4, Resident Evil 5, Gears, Red Faction, or Batman, or whatever other games I have that support it. (No good titles? really?).
People hate anything that cramps what they perceive as freedom. But the pc market has been wide open for so long, and look where we are as a result? Massive piracy combined with terrible sales and everyone packing up and moving down the street to Console Land. So MS is trying to reinvent the market in a way that they view is in opposition to the current trend. Is it the best way? No, not by a mile. But has it gotten better, become free, expanded its lineup, and started a reasonably solid platform for the distribution of game updates and DLC (both paid and free)? I think so. And who knows, maybe it will be the final nail for PC gaming- but at least they're trying to do something different , you know, even if it's "nowhere near as good as Steam is".
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Being unintuitive and ass-backwards as fuck is as valid criticism of Steam as it is of Live, more or less depending on the platform. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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If MS doesn't listen to these developer issues, and if they are in fact genuine issues, then they'll eventually have no more support for their service and it will wither away. I won't cry if that happens, but while it's here, I'll enjoy some of the GFWL features.
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@Killtacular: Microsoft not only launched a sub-par service when the road was already leveled out by Steam... Roller... They actually completely neglected improving it for, what, two years. It might have been a great thing if it was the only thing on the market, but it's not.
If it works for you, that's great, and that's really all that matters. But objective discussion flies out of the window when personal opinion walks in.
10/03/09
But what has GFWL brought to the table for games like Fallout 3, GTA IV, and Batman?
The only thing GFWL does with fallout 3 is offer DLC, which I would much prefer to buy with Fallout 3.
GTA IV on PC, which I own by the way, is one of the shittiest ports I've ever played. The voice chat is awful, there isn't even a push-to-talk option, there's NO ANTICHEAT! You can't join a game without having to deal with moders.
The only thing you get with Arkham Asylum is achievements.... which you can do on Steam.
The main argument for GFWL seems to be that it attaches your PC profile with your XBL account. Personally, I don't think that's a good thing at all.
PC and xbox are two separate platforms. It's all part of Microsoft's effort to make the PC into the same uniform system that they have with Console Gaming.
10/02/09
First of all, Microsoft refuses to port games that it published on the Xbox 360 - so, no Fable 2, no Gears of War 2 and no GTA4 episodes, even though original copies did receive a port.
Secondly, the actual service betrays the lack of any interest by Microsoft in the platform. Whereas Steam has something new practically every day, the GFWL site is a ghost town, with games from last year still advertised on the front page. The need to get an Xbox live account just to run the service betrays further where Microsoft's priorities lie.
The problem is that, early on, Microsoft realized that they could charge Xbox 360 users for annual subscriptions for multiplayer and for extra junk like clothes for virtual avatars, whereas PC players would take none of their crap, especially with far superior online services being available for free.
As a result, their interest shifted to the Xbox and they now wish to extricate their players from the PC using the same tactics that they would once use to get Netscape users to Internet Explorer. The best method, according to them, is to extend their exclusivity policy (ie the art of pushing the developers that you fund to no longer make products for a competing platform) to exclude the PC. For a long time, the PC userbase was a threat to the Xbox 360, as any "exclusives" to the system would come out for the PC 6 months later. Now, Microsoft wishes to convince people that all support for the PC has been removed while still somehow maintaining a token "service" that will no doubt disappear within a year or two.
The fact that the platform they are trying to repel/support is also home to Steam, which manages to provide an online service for free, removes most of the piracy issues that developers are worried about, goes out of its way to genuinely care about the customers that pay its bills (which, really, is Adam Smith common sense) and somehow manages to do all that without nickel-and-diming users while staying in the black, shows up GFWL as an even greater embarrassment to the PC community.
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I'm just saying that Microsoft is severely, deliberately neglecting and alienating a userbase for the sake of promoting its console, where they are far more capable of making additional profit off stuff like themes, avatar clothing, etc. They are also one of the few Western publishers that do not port their games to the PC, even though it's to an OS that they designed.
I wouldn't call these actions a conspiracy, just as I would not call them mere incompetence. It's just business.
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a) Ports of newer games - small audience generally
b) People getting ridiculous value out of their older games - medium audience playing titles like StarCraft, CSS, and TF2
c) People playing MMO's - pretty large audience, especially since there are no real console MMO's.
Why is this a problem? Why should we care about GFWL in such a world where so few people fit in category a)? Steam failed as a "community" (i.e. Steam Community not forums) in that most people still just go off and do their own thing. Face it: Steam is a retail store that gives good support after initial purchase. It's good at that and that's where it's place is. GFWL is dead, don't even try to fix it.
10/03/09
Microsoft has made it very clear that the 360, and not PC, is where their focus lies. It's a more controlled market with higher profit margins. GFWL is nothing but lip service, and what's entirely infuriating is that Microsoft continually sends mixed messages. They'll come up withnew DirectX protocols but then publish a game like Alan Wake, a PC exclusive before the 360 was even on the market, exclusively for the 360.
10/03/09
After that, you go into talking about how Microsoft is shoehoning the PC and while that has a certain air of truth (PC gaming certainly isn't their focus), They aren't trying to get rid of PC gaming to make more people play the 360. They've actually made a decent enough effort over the past year or so with PC gaming, at least it was more of an effort than many developers. Also, GFWL has free online just like Steam.
Sure, GFWL has it's problems and it isn't the greatest but on the consumer side of things, there isn't a whole lot to complain about it.
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Gears of War was massively pirated on PC because of the same reason: most of the people who were going to play it already had played it on the 360, and the exclusive PC content only made the players feel cheated.
After all, who wants to spend $50 on another copy of a game you already own to play a couple of levels? Not many people.
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As for the pricing structure, I apologize. You only needed to originally pay $50 a year for certain features in multiplayer (I didn't initially research that one well). This was later changed to free. However, this was also the point when new Microsoft Games Studios games were no longer announced for the PC, suggesting that they were no longer as profitable.
I would consider Microsoft's current effort to be akin to Nintendo's commitment to the hardcore Wii crowd back in 2008, before recent announcements of new Marios and Zeldas. There is simply nothing available at the moment.
I'm actually very impressed with just about every other publisher at the moment. Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Bethseda and EA not only support my platform by releasing (almost) every game they make on it with the odd delay (often with extra features as a compensation), but also by making sure that the ports are of excellent quality and that all the DLC is also available (sometimes even for free!).
And yes, PC gaming has many other problems besides Microsoft. However, discussing them all is beyond the scope of this post and would probably require a blog all to itself. At the moment, I just wish to focus on one major offender.
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I can't vouch the same for multiplayer games, though. Anyway, I've got about 50 games bought, no issues.
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I'm not trying to throw my support behind Microsoft here. I think GFWL is pretty pointless as a whole and it was in shambles for ages. Right now though, aside from the developer issues in which I wholeheartedly back the developers point of view, there really isn't anything to complain about the service from a consumer standpoint, the major bugs have been patched and it runs fine...at least for me it does.
10/03/09
You're half right but you're half wrong. PC gaming is still relatively big. There are still a lot of PC only developers that are doing perfectly fine in the sector, in fact, PC gaming has seen a rise in profitability over the past year. As for the second part of your comment, I can only blame ignorance. While building a gaming PC that will run the newest games is $100-200 more expensive than buying a PS3 or 360, the overall cost of PC gaming is probably cheaper than console gaming what with free online, oftentimes free DLC and games that are often $10-20 cheaper than console games (MW2 excluded). Certainly, PC games don't sell as well as console games but they never would anyway, even if piracy rates were drastically cut. It's a smaller market but an important one nonetheless to the industry as a whole and it won't be going away.
Who really plays pc games now outside of MMOs?
A lot of people. Modern Warfare on PC still has over 10,000 servers running it with many of them full to the brim. games like BF2 and BF2142 also still have a suprising amount of active servers. Company of Heroes and Dawn of War II still see plenty of multiplayer action and games like L4D often have you waiting in line to play they can be so busy. That's just a pick-n-mix of the multiplayer aspect as well. The casual market on PC is huge (and before you say that shouldn't be counted as PC gaming, it's still a section of the gaming market on PC, just like it is on consoles) and more new PC developers are popping up the whole time hoping to take advantage of the lack of restrictions, the generally cheaper development and the strong community support. Like I said at the start of this, A lot of people play PC games and a lot of people play PC games outside of MMO's. To believe otherwise is ignorant.
10/03/09
I still think that Microsoft's neglect of the PC is intentional. It certainly helps the Xbox 360 make them a bit more dough when they have exclusive titles.
10/03/09
He says his reasons for not making Gears 2 for PC is because of horrible Gears 1 sales.
He blames it on piracy...
I blame it on a release date that was what? 1 and 1/2 years after the Xbox version, which said ON THE BOX "Exclusively for Xbox 360" so that many PC gamers who actually wanted it just went on to buy it for the 360.
yeah...
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I know Microsoft is running the whole "make everything extremely restricted so that we can squeeze as much out of a single consumer as possible" thing going, but that kind of scheme just doesn't work on PC gaming. This is about as laughable as charging for GFWL just like they did for XBL. Anyone remember that little fiasco?
It's mind boggling. Here's Microsoft, the company who has the entire PC userbase in the palm of its hand, failing miserably at making its OWN gaming sub-platform work on its OWN operating system. And this is for no reason other than the fact that they're stubbornly clinging to the console-gaming scheme that they're no doubt infatuated with by now. They should be dominating PC gaming like it's nobody's business, yet here Microsoft is struggling to make gaming work on its own operating system out of sheer stubbornness and pride.
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Games for Windows Live is a terrible, half-broken, piece of shit that was coded by monkeys. It deserves a terrible horrible death and the fewer games that use it, the better.
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Either way, is Games for Windows really that bad? I've never used it before, I just hear people bitching about it constantly.
10/02/09
Coming from Microsoft, the company that PC gaming is basically founded on due to OS and driver support, GFWL is very poorly implemented.
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The whole GFWL on PC is trying to make the PC dumb down XB360 on steroid using Live accounts and basically having PC users end up using MS points to buy expansions or add ons like the consoles.
GFWL is a Trojan horse of PC gaming and more likely it'll be tied to your XB live account using the GFWL code . I escaped the XB360 for a reason. Not to be nickled and dimes for patches with added maps, ToS where it limits MY rights to play MY games on MY account on MY console with really strict DRM (on XB360). That's why I built a better PC and PS3 (ok the PS3 still does that but at least the PS3 allows you to play it on any account up to 5 consoles unlike XB360 so lesser of two evils as a personal reason) since I've learned my lesson with them B.S-n me about how I can't transfer my DRM rights to a refurbished console they sent me after I sent it in for repair (this is not a issue now since they have the ability to do so every once a year limit but wasn't available to me at that time and kept delaying the issue).
Funny thing is that I really don't trust my live account because I just updated my account when I was playing ODST and checked my MS points, it is gone like as in all of it (only I have the access and checked my dl history for discrepancy) and some of my download history on my games are no longer available so if GFWL gets big, it'll use the same system so big no thank you.
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In Fallout 3 I consistently have to click no where near where the icons are in order for GFWL to respond. As in the "Accept" icon will be in the top center of the screen and I have to click somewhere in the general top left space to get it working. Reinstalling Fallout 3 does nothing. Reinstalling GFWL does nothing.
DoW 2 is literally the only game I don't have problems with, and that's annoying just because I have to log in twice (Steam+GFWL) before I can start playing. An extremely minor annoyance, yes, but still something that I do every time despite the fact that I shouldn't have to. Like Fallout 3, my first playthrough of DoW2 I ignored GFWL just so I didn't' have to do with it.
And that doesn't include things like GFWL crashing or logging me out of it's own volition.
10/02/09
but enough about him. i find it tasteless to discredit someone's comments based on their association or beliefs which have nothing much to do with the point at hand. it's unecessary despite how awful this beck guy must be.
wardell has a point though, GFWL shouldn't be charging anyone - developer or gamer (that was quite the fails when gears of war pc launched) - on the pc. trying to monetize the pc market that's been operating freely for 15+ years won't take off.
but i get the vibe that wardell is a bitter queen for launching a DD service amongst Steam, D2D, and to a lesser extent GFWL and expected to be able to complete. when i got demigod i found it tedious to have to download stardock and having to have that updated to update demigod - i just wanted demigod to be steam compatible :/. yes using steam to import physical games i got from the store is a testament to how convienent it is to use with their friends list.
10/02/09
But whatever, I agree it'd be nice to have everything integrated with Steam, but it seems you can either be loyal to low prices or loyal to one service. I know what I'll go with...
10/02/09
Part of me wishes Valve were big enough to make a gaming OS, but that presents so many other problems it's probably not worth it.
10/02/09
EDIT: And really all the asshats whining about Wardell's suppose political views need to STFU. Because if you knew the political views of half the devs of your favorite games, directors of your favorite movies, or CEO's of the company that produces your favorite product, you'd better be a self-sufficient farmer living completely outside of society.
The two have nothing to do with each other. Roman Polanski may be a pedophile, but that doesn't change the fact that he's also a very talented director.
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But who am I kidding, that's not nearly as profitable.
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Btw, did you lose your star again? You seem to be in this weird limbo of star/no-star more than any other commenter. I'd gladly give mine up if it meant you could get yours back. You contribute far more than I do.
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I've only lost it twice though, I had someone claim I lost it for the forth time!!
But still, I shall continue to comment like usual and eventually it may come back.
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Politics and business have nothing to do with each other.
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tl;dr There's simple ways for devs to make RTS's readily playable on consoles, they just haven't bothered to take the steps.
10/02/09
Owen, I suggest reading a bit further to find out that Wardell wasn't defending Glenn Beck, he was pissed at UPS basically getting involved with politics.
10/02/09
I recently upgraded to Win 7 so was re installing games, and turns out GFWL is now updated to version 3 or 4, so installed all the updates n such, go ot paly and bam, now I can't play any of my saves form wehn I was loggedin cos thenew GFWL won't boot up, and after scouring the net it seems the error is jsut known ot be form GFWL, but not how to solve it woop.
Oh yeah, for about 2 months none of the DLC would who up in the "downloads" section like it should of.
Luckily most of my purchases are Steam and GFWL free, but there are odd's n sods that will no doubt come out wiht GFWL that I'll want (I think Sup Com 2 would be one)
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Anyone here who pays attention wanna tell ithyphallus how much I hate Steam?
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And illy, for the record, GFWL is a piece of shit. End of story.
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My question is, WHY THE HELL DIDN'T I HEART CLICK YOU BEFORE?
I'm oh so sorry.
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:P
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Licensing to develop a PC game?!?! Ok so maybe "licensing" is not what is going on here but it is essentially the same thing. You want the GFWL cert? Pay for it. Don't want it? Fine, no really that's perfectly ok. We'll just update our Windows Malware detection or some other facet of Windows which will totally screw your customers over by rendering your game unplayable.
You don't have to believe me but just look at GFWL and how they still havent fixed bugs that have existed with it since its launch. Look at how many developers offer "unofficial" fixes for their games that always seem to include methods to bypass GFWL... why would any developer CHOOSE to use GFWL if not simple to appease Microsoft?
10/02/09
Yes, this guy is important. Not just to making video games but because of his stance on DRM. He is the president of the company that owns Impulse, one of the larger PC distribution platforms on the PC. He also happens to hate DRM as much as we, the gamers, do. He's a good guy and his company makes some damn great games.
Now on to the OBVIOUS point that, even if Brad Wardell were a nobody and nobody had heard of Elemental: War of Magic (which looks to be an awesome game btw) it wouldn't matter cause his points are still valid. You can not control the PC environment like a console. It's not built the same way and therefor can't be treated the same way.
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*Yes, I know there are workarounds for linux and OSX, but you can't really compare them to running a gaming in a Windows OS.
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So frankly, I couldn't give two flying shits what he has to say about anything else. Scum.
It's a shame too because Stardock was, before I learned how big of an asshole Wardell was, a pretty good company.
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You seem like a rational individual.
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@homernoy: Please don't make me explain. I can't talk about Beck without my eyes filling with blood. The last time someone defended him in front of me I blacked out and when I woke up they were gone, and my hands were covered with ketchup.
10/02/09
Called the President a Racist. Apparently that's worse than an ex-President calling more than half the American people racist.
And @Archaotic:
Please read the article. "A full-throated defense of Glenn Beck" is Grade-A Kotaku Bullshit. Nowhere did Wardell defend any of Beck's positions, let alone the racism thing in particular.
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It's also been proven that Wardell does, in fact, think Obama is a racist, and agrees with Beck on several points.
The comparison is apt, even if it took a bit of a logical leap to do so.
@JoeyJavs: Yeah, I remember reading Beck's CNN column several years ago. He seemed a lot more reasonable back then. It's very rare that someone undergoes such a dramatic personality shift, but to say some of the shit Beck does you pretty much HAVE to be a total madman.
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Eh, I watched MSNBC when Bush was President, and watch Fox primarily now that Obama's president.
You certainly can't call any of the major networks unbiased, and a journalist is certainly doing his job better when in opposition to whoever is in power.
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I can't support that. There's a massive conflict of interest there.
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I'll make it easy for you. [frogboy.joeuser.com]
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I just find it ironic that someone says they "don't like people pushing their ideology on others" then goes on to DEFEND FOX NEWS, THE PEOPLE WHO TURNED IT INTO A FUCKING SCIENCE.
And don't go treating Wardell like he's a saint here. The man posted an "Obama = Hitler" image on his blog several months back. Even if it's just in jest, that's a TERRIBLE thing to do.
10/02/09
Why punish the man for his honesty and boldness, you're just rewarding the people who don't announce their opinions.
10/02/09
If he has a problem with UPS withdrawing their ad funding from Fox News, if he thinks the president is a socialist racist, whatever, that's FINE. But he doesn't need to reflect all of that onto his employees, most of whom are likely reasonable, intelligent human beings who just want to live their lives and make video games in a peaceful, safe country.
I have nothing against Stardock and its employees, but I will not support people who support Fox News and their fearmongering, war-loving, anti-atheist, manipulative lie factories. Simple as that.
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How is it a terrible thing to do? Its his damn personal blog. Maybe he actually believes it, maybe he doesn't. Does it really matter?
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I also think its funny that it's such a "terrible" thing to post a picture of "Obama=Hitler" when the Left had been doing it for the last 8 years during Bush's presidency.
In fact, the left pretty much wrote the book on how to disrespect the office of the presidency. But now that their guy is the president. "HOW DARE YOU DISAGREE WITH HIM! SIR YOU ARE A RACIST BROWN SHIRT NAZI."
Seriously. Fuck American politics. Fuck Glenn Beck, and fuck people like you. This is why our country is so divided and can't get shit done. Only, you'll never realize it, because you're still too busy blaming Fox News like some dumbass college freshman who just took their first PoliSci class.
What a tool.
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Obama - people follow him blindly without question
Hitler - people follow him blindly without question
Obama - political rallies are held in stadiums
Hitler - political rallies are held in stadiums
Obama - changes the American Flag to the ancient symbol of Horus Sun worship
Hitler - changes the German Flag to the ancient symbol of Black Sun worship
Obama - vote fraud and poll manipulation - ACORN, Propaganda; Obama Girl
Me - No, I'm just fucking with all of you. Heh heh heh.
Obama - political rally held in Berlin Germany
Hitler - political rally held in Berlin Germany
Obama - Writes a Biography; Barack Obama: What He Believes In
Hitler - Writes a Biography; Mein Kampf: My Struggle...
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America as a whole needs to stop bickering over shit like death panels, gay marriage and abortion, and LOOK at themselves for a damn minute. If we're the greatest country in the world, like we're brainwashed to believe from the day we're born, then how the hell can we not agree on ANYTHING?
It's fine to disagree with the president. That's the entire founding principle of American democracy, being able to voice your disapproval of the government and, if necessary, remove it. The problem is when we have private interests subtly manipulating said disapproval from behind the scenes, totally removing the legitimacy of the democratic process. Which is what happens with Fox News; they're the most blatantly pro-corporate network in existence.
Regardless, we've gone completely off topic here. This is a video game site, not a political blog. Sorry for flying off the handle, everyone. I need to reel in my hatred of Beck and save it for the next time he loses his mind on a caller on his show.
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If I held the same opinion of glenn beck as you (and I don't really care for his character either), I think the 32 companies deserve just as much hatred as stardock. They just weren't vocal about their support for Glenn Beck before his accusation. They pulled out for consumer, not so much that they disagreed with his statement.
What I'm trying to drive at is that the other companies that pulled their ads from glenn beck's program are just as guilty as Stardock, but not as vocal. To support the program in the first place is a bold political opinion of the company, regardless of it being a very popular program. So if you're going to boycott stardock on the opinion that their political views are absurd, then the other 30 or so parties deserve the same treatment.
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Even though I'm pretty sure I probably disagree with 85% of your politics, I'm glad we can both agree that Glenn Beck is a tool.
Fuck that guy.
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Freedom of Speech in this country does include speech you do not agree with.
Your comments supporting violence specifically napalming against those who support a news network that you don't like is IMO what is wrong with this country. If you don't like partisan insults then you shouldn't engage in them yourself.
Wardell has a right to his opinion, just like you have a right to your opinion. If he does not like how UPS runs their business then he is free to use some other shipper.
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@Owen Good, "full-throated defense of Glenn Beck" is a bullshit, dude.
As for some of the other comments, I really don't think we want to open that can of worms in relation to game developers' politics. Keep it out of gaming, and for that matter Wardell obviously needs to not say anything next time he does something like this.
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Big mistake on Microsoft's part. Getting rid of GFW gold was a good start though.
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