I continually feel that this subject is being overblown. As long as you have 13 year olds playing competitive games online you are going to have every second word being 'fuck' 'gay' or 'Donald Rumsfeld'. Well, maybe not the last one...
It comes down to this: Are intolerant gamers just the loudest minority in a sea of respectable people? Or do we have more respect than we should for the gaming audience- is everyone more immature than we actually realize?
Whether its one or the other, I don't think its a reason for homosexual people to get upset. When you come out you have understand that some people aren't going to like it- but its their problem, not yours.
Last point: When you run over a 13 year old high school kid in Halo and he says 'Thats so gay!', I don't think he means to hurt you, oh homosexual gamer, I think he means that getting run over is pretty gay. Theres a difference now, the word is being transformed, its still evolving in societies lexicon. Once it meant happy, then it meant homosexual, and now its evolving to mean something unsavoury and negative. Is it a bad thing? Well, it doesnt really matter, becuase thats the way the word is used and thats the way its going to continued to be used. Society has spoken, and its word is law...
@TheOmnitron: Except that it does matter, because homosexuals identify themselves with the word "gay". Making it into a derogatory term with negative connotations implies that 1) "gay" is a bad thing and that 2) people who identify as "gay" have something wrong with them.
Claiming that the word has two definitions, one that means "homosexual" and one that means "something negative" doesn't fly, especially when people shout things like "that's so homosexual" in a negative manner. It's very clear that it's not the word "gay" that has the negative connotation, it's homosexuality as a whole.
We as a society don't stand for people casually throwing about racial slurs (The unspoken rules about casually throwing around terms like "nigger" or "spic" are very well known, and these terms tend to stay out of people's vocabularies.) but we're fine with sexual identity slurs? That's a double-standard to me.
Furthermore, I identify as a member of the Jewish faith and ethnicity. (As it is both, and I am both.) When something throws the word "Jew" around as a negative slur, I get annoyed. Because it IS using part of my identity as a negative, and the implication is that I should be ashamed to identify as such.
I have had at least one experience where when I revealed that I was a Jew, people actually gasped. (The response was "How could you say that about yourself?") And last I checked, Judaism is at least more or less accepted by society. It's far harder for homosexuals who are not widely accepted as a whole by society and this flippant use of homosexuality as a negative only reinforces that difficulty.
(And let's not bring up the terms "faggot" or "fag", which are quite the slur themselves.)
To address your third point, for someone who doesn't identify as heterosexual, it becomes their problem as soon as a number of people don't like it. You can claim it's the problem of those who don't like it, but in a mob, they're quite capable of making it the non-heterosexual's problem. (Examples of this as a matter of race or religion/ethnicity are things like lynchings and pogroms. It IS your problem if you're a member of the minority, no matter how much anyone says it isn't.)
I wouldn't say the problem is being overblown so much as it's not an easily solved problem. Society as a whole will continue to push for slurs, and unless members of society are educated to think differently, this will always be the case. The only real solution is education and tolerance. Two things that we as a species seem to have in varying amounts and a limited supply.
(As a follow up point: For many, the only way to make slurs not matter is to treat them as though they don't mean anything. This works reasonably well over the internet, as there's a lot of anonymity, but if this sort of culture of phobia pervades and shows up further in the physical world, more and more problems will spring up. People ARE being mistreated and harassed in public areas because of their sexual orientation, and this will only get worse over time.)
@Wizard: Theres some flaws in your logic- Gay already had two meanings, one meaning 'happy', the other meaning sexual attraction to the same sex. I posit that a third meaning is developing into societies lexicon- that something unforseen and unfortunate happened.
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm willing to accept that. I'm not an expert, but me being right or wrong won't change a thing. The fact of the matter is I don't know how to feel about this subject. One part of me says that gays should just grow a thicker skin, but that argument has been defeated time and again. The other part feels that people shouldn't make fun of others for any reason- which is unrealistic and will never happen, especially over Xbox LIVE.
And to say that it should be moderated by the service providers (PSN, Xbox LIVE, etc.) is unfair and unrealistic. Its no where near cost effective and if anything attempts to moderate it would make slurring worse. Not to mention it could potentially bring in violations to right to free speech. Modern day nazis have that right too, even if its not socially acceptable.
Its as close to an unsolvable problem as one can get. Which means gay people NEED to grow a thicker skin, from the pure fact they wont be able to play online at all if they dont. It may not be right, but its the way it is, and most likely the way it will continue to be. There will always be angry, sexually confused people who want to take their angst and lack of skill out on others. So deal with it.
So.... the big question is, how can you go about making a 120 minute movie about a single cell organism that evolves into a space-traveling penis monster?
@Twik63: From what I understand, Spore under performed when it was released. I think EA is hoping that a kid-friendly flick (something along the lines of Shrek or Ice Age) will help build an audience for the IP.
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@glardchia: Weird enough, creationist does not care for Spore at all. (Anti-Spore website was an elaborate Rickroll). Will Wright said some of his his fellow atheists (that he described as "militant") complained about the games use of religion from the tribal stage onwards.
@syafiqjabar of Mars: As an atheist I had more complaints about the cell stage lasting for 5 minutes, the draconian drm, and the all around terrible gameplay.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a "militant" atheist is. Writing books and debating in universities is militant?
The man screwed up Spore, a game that Maxis really needed to do well and develop the type of community around it that Sims had and he shat all over a system that EA is making multi-millions of dollars off of.
Hecker announced on his personal site his follow up project, an indie game called SpyParty, which he describes as "a very different multiplayer espionage game" that apparently offers a level of excitement on par with ski jumping away from massive explosions.
No go back and look. He says it is less ski-jumping away from explosions and more about classy espionage spies.
He deserves it, he was complicit in what happened to spore, possibly one of the most overhyped games in HISTORY only behind Daikatana. He deserves to think long and hard about what he needs to do in his life.
Well, this is one guy that won't be getting a job at Nintendo any time soon. I feel sorry for him for losing his job, but he probably burned a few bridges while he was still employed.
"Chris Hecker was having strong misgivings about how appealing all this hard science would be to the wider world. "I was the founding member of the 'cute' team," he says with pride. "Ocean [Quigley, Spore's art director] and Will were really the founding members of the 'science' team. Ocean would make the cell game look exactly like a petri dish with all these to-scale animals and Will would say, 'That's the greatest thing I've ever seen!' and some of us were thinking, 'I'm not sure about that.'"
11/27/09
It comes down to this: Are intolerant gamers just the loudest minority in a sea of respectable people? Or do we have more respect than we should for the gaming audience- is everyone more immature than we actually realize?
Whether its one or the other, I don't think its a reason for homosexual people to get upset. When you come out you have understand that some people aren't going to like it- but its their problem, not yours.
Last point: When you run over a 13 year old high school kid in Halo and he says 'Thats so gay!', I don't think he means to hurt you, oh homosexual gamer, I think he means that getting run over is pretty gay. Theres a difference now, the word is being transformed, its still evolving in societies lexicon. Once it meant happy, then it meant homosexual, and now its evolving to mean something unsavoury and negative. Is it a bad thing? Well, it doesnt really matter, becuase thats the way the word is used and thats the way its going to continued to be used. Society has spoken, and its word is law...
11/27/09
Claiming that the word has two definitions, one that means "homosexual" and one that means "something negative" doesn't fly, especially when people shout things like "that's so homosexual" in a negative manner. It's very clear that it's not the word "gay" that has the negative connotation, it's homosexuality as a whole.
We as a society don't stand for people casually throwing about racial slurs (The unspoken rules about casually throwing around terms like "nigger" or "spic" are very well known, and these terms tend to stay out of people's vocabularies.) but we're fine with sexual identity slurs? That's a double-standard to me.
Furthermore, I identify as a member of the Jewish faith and ethnicity. (As it is both, and I am both.) When something throws the word "Jew" around as a negative slur, I get annoyed. Because it IS using part of my identity as a negative, and the implication is that I should be ashamed to identify as such.
I have had at least one experience where when I revealed that I was a Jew, people actually gasped. (The response was "How could you say that about yourself?") And last I checked, Judaism is at least more or less accepted by society. It's far harder for homosexuals who are not widely accepted as a whole by society and this flippant use of homosexuality as a negative only reinforces that difficulty.
(And let's not bring up the terms "faggot" or "fag", which are quite the slur themselves.)
To address your third point, for someone who doesn't identify as heterosexual, it becomes their problem as soon as a number of people don't like it. You can claim it's the problem of those who don't like it, but in a mob, they're quite capable of making it the non-heterosexual's problem. (Examples of this as a matter of race or religion/ethnicity are things like lynchings and pogroms. It IS your problem if you're a member of the minority, no matter how much anyone says it isn't.)
I wouldn't say the problem is being overblown so much as it's not an easily solved problem. Society as a whole will continue to push for slurs, and unless members of society are educated to think differently, this will always be the case. The only real solution is education and tolerance. Two things that we as a species seem to have in varying amounts and a limited supply.
(As a follow up point: For many, the only way to make slurs not matter is to treat them as though they don't mean anything. This works reasonably well over the internet, as there's a lot of anonymity, but if this sort of culture of phobia pervades and shows up further in the physical world, more and more problems will spring up. People ARE being mistreated and harassed in public areas because of their sexual orientation, and this will only get worse over time.)
11/27/09
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm willing to accept that. I'm not an expert, but me being right or wrong won't change a thing. The fact of the matter is I don't know how to feel about this subject. One part of me says that gays should just grow a thicker skin, but that argument has been defeated time and again. The other part feels that people shouldn't make fun of others for any reason- which is unrealistic and will never happen, especially over Xbox LIVE.
And to say that it should be moderated by the service providers (PSN, Xbox LIVE, etc.) is unfair and unrealistic. Its no where near cost effective and if anything attempts to moderate it would make slurring worse. Not to mention it could potentially bring in violations to right to free speech. Modern day nazis have that right too, even if its not socially acceptable.
Its as close to an unsolvable problem as one can get. Which means gay people NEED to grow a thicker skin, from the pure fact they wont be able to play online at all if they dont. It may not be right, but its the way it is, and most likely the way it will continue to be. There will always be angry, sexually confused people who want to take their angst and lack of skill out on others. So deal with it.
10/02/09
10/02/09
Will Ron Jeremy get a role in said movie...?
10/02/09
And that one is really awful.
I wonder why I bother to read movie deal stories, sometimes.
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10/01/09
1. Create game based on evolution - CHECK
2. Create movie based on that game - CHECK
3. Piss off radical creationists - IN PROGRESS
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10/02/09
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a "militant" atheist is. Writing books and debating in universities is militant?
08/29/09
GEE I WONDER WHY HE GOT LAID OFF GUYZ.
08/29/09
No go back and look. He says it is less ski-jumping away from explosions and more about classy espionage spies.
08/28/09
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08/28/09
Hey people want to know who dumbed down spore and got rid of all the cool stuff Will was talking about in earlier videos shown off?
It was Chris Hecker.
[forum.spore.com]
"Chris Hecker was having strong misgivings about how appealing all this hard science would be to the wider world. "I was the founding member of the 'cute' team," he says with pride. "Ocean [Quigley, Spore's art director] and Will were really the founding members of the 'science' team. Ocean would make the cell game look exactly like a petri dish with all these to-scale animals and Will would say, 'That's the greatest thing I've ever seen!' and some of us were thinking, 'I'm not sure about that.'"
08/28/09