My gut reaction was "wow, someone's in bitch-mode", but after five minutes on Live I can understand where a lot of the invective is rooted; the subtitle for this should have been something along the lines of "Dear Xbox Live, etc., Guys: Grow Up".
It seems to me that as long as there are gamer guys who wish they could meet a gamer girl, saying "gamer girls aren't special anymore" will be about as effective as saying "Milhouse is not a meme."
Growing up my sister and some female friends were always playing games like Mario Kart and Goldeneye with me, so the idea of a "girl gamer" was a pretty unspectacular thought until the advent of online gaming came about.
Blame men and society all you want, but when nearly every girl a guy will hear on a TF2 server does nothing but hammer on the mic about how they merely ARE a girl it can get annoying quickly, and leads to bad feelings.
I could also bring up about a million stories of girls acting like dastardly attention-craved demons from my time in a top-end WoW guild, but I could probably write a book and make more money that way.
The fact of the matter is, is that while there are probably 5 women who game that do not fit my description for each one that does, the ones who do are what stick in many peoples' minds and lend themselves towards these negative sentiments. It is an issue both genders have to work out.
@magnakaiser: It might be just me, but when I'm playing TF2 the majority of the time I can't tell the difference between a girl and an 8 year old. I blame the crappy mics.
@magnakaiser:
Interestingly enough I don't think I've ever run across that sort of gamer girl. Most of the ones I know are completely normal. Or slightly insane, but not in the way you're describing.
@Odin: I'll second the "insane" tag. From personal experience: don't date girls who really, really enjoy playing shooters, 'cause they're probably psychotic too.
There really needs to be a more apparant clarification between "gamer girls" and "girls who play games". The former is still lacking, and it is the group that is not accurately represented by figures that you'll get from the BBC or ESA.
I still consider "girl gamers" to be hard to find; I know only a couple of girls who play games, and they play puzzle games. Conventionally, anything of rarity is to be held in a higher regard than usual, and finding a girl who enjoys your misunderstood hobby as much as you do is, understandably, something to be desired.
If this isn't accurate, and there really are almost as many girls playing Halo as there are guys, then we have an issue where either girls aren't comfortable with letting people know they play games, or guys just aren't paying attention.
[God DAMMIT K. I don't like my text disappearing when I click outside the box]
It may be fair to say that the industry has only just reached mass market, and so we don't yet know how to interact with everyone else, including women, on this platform. It might also be fair to say that games are inherently competitive, and that the male proclivity towards this kind of competitiveness is offputting for women.
There's so many factors to consider as to why, if this actually is the case, many girls don't feel comfortable playing games - far too many than I care to outline while my comments disappear everytime I click outside this box. It is probably because we consider "girl gamers" special or exceptional, and that there has been enough social pressure on women to adhear to stereotypes, that they don't feel comfortable with it. Compound this with how misrepresented video games are as a whole, and you've got a pretty steep hill.
Being male, my insight is obviously limited. I'd still go out of my way to get a girl that plays games, but only for the same reason that I was excited when I found out my last girlfriend liked 24 and Led Zeppelin.
I wouldn't want to be put on a pedestal in the first place, but then I also wouldn't want to be called a 'gamer girl' - why would I need my own gender specific tag. Yes I am female and I love Fallout, CoD, L4D, Gears, Bioshock etc (I own an xbox). I don't require special treatment, I would just like to not be thrown out of TF2 matches for being female.
@LucilleMidas:
I agree. I will tell someone I play games and suddenly something changes. Those who don't realize that girls play games (see above comments) need to know they they do. I would love to play a match on Halo without having someone make a big deal (usually in the negative) about me being female. Especially because I am not very good at Halo which seems to make for even better cannon fodder. If people just stopped going "OMG ur a gurl?" or "You play gamez?!?" maybe all the hype would die down. And that would be good for gamers everywhere.
I find the word "Girl Gamer" funny to me. I didn't realize it was something rare till I hit high school. Even now I still don't really care if I get some guy's attention. I'm just gaming for fun and my whole reason for playing video games is because they're FUN. I never understood girls who just played video games to get attention from guys, where is the fun in that?
Besides that I don't really make a big deal about my gaming.
Girl + game, what is so special about that??? But honestly, I think it's the gamer girls themselves that make a big deal about it. You know how women just love attention... But then, you have gay gamer specialty sites, frat-boy gamer forums, and all kinds of self-serving groups, so I guess it's everybody.
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Blame men and society all you want, but when nearly every girl a guy will hear on a TF2 server does nothing but hammer on the mic about how they merely ARE a girl it can get annoying quickly, and leads to bad feelings.
I could also bring up about a million stories of girls acting like dastardly attention-craved demons from my time in a top-end WoW guild, but I could probably write a book and make more money that way.
The fact of the matter is, is that while there are probably 5 women who game that do not fit my description for each one that does, the ones who do are what stick in many peoples' minds and lend themselves towards these negative sentiments. It is an issue both genders have to work out.
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Interestingly enough I don't think I've ever run across that sort of gamer girl. Most of the ones I know are completely normal. Or slightly insane, but not in the way you're describing.
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Oh, you're soooo persecuted, gamer girl ... Only the majority of the guys in the world fantasize about you.
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Go blow yourself.
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I still consider "girl gamers" to be hard to find; I know only a couple of girls who play games, and they play puzzle games. Conventionally, anything of rarity is to be held in a higher regard than usual, and finding a girl who enjoys your misunderstood hobby as much as you do is, understandably, something to be desired.
If this isn't accurate, and there really are almost as many girls playing Halo as there are guys, then we have an issue where either girls aren't comfortable with letting people know they play games, or guys just aren't paying attention.
[God DAMMIT K. I don't like my text disappearing when I click outside the box]
It may be fair to say that the industry has only just reached mass market, and so we don't yet know how to interact with everyone else, including women, on this platform. It might also be fair to say that games are inherently competitive, and that the male proclivity towards this kind of competitiveness is offputting for women.
There's so many factors to consider as to why, if this actually is the case, many girls don't feel comfortable playing games - far too many than I care to outline while my comments disappear everytime I click outside this box. It is probably because we consider "girl gamers" special or exceptional, and that there has been enough social pressure on women to adhear to stereotypes, that they don't feel comfortable with it. Compound this with how misrepresented video games are as a whole, and you've got a pretty steep hill.
Being male, my insight is obviously limited. I'd still go out of my way to get a girl that plays games, but only for the same reason that I was excited when I found out my last girlfriend liked 24 and Led Zeppelin.
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I agree. I will tell someone I play games and suddenly something changes. Those who don't realize that girls play games (see above comments) need to know they they do. I would love to play a match on Halo without having someone make a big deal (usually in the negative) about me being female. Especially because I am not very good at Halo which seems to make for even better cannon fodder. If people just stopped going "OMG ur a gurl?" or "You play gamez?!?" maybe all the hype would die down. And that would be good for gamers everywhere.
07/20/09
Besides that I don't really make a big deal about my gaming.
07/20/09
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