Any chance of a PS3/PC port? I may get a PS3 at the next price drop, and Shadow Complex is the only 360 exclusive that isn't on the PC I give a damn about.
@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: Yeah, Epic doesn't care about the PC anymore (UT3 apparently has an option to disable keyboard/mouse when setting up a PC dedicated server). Sigh.
@Fociz: Agree. I thought it was wonderful. One of the only games Ive ever gone back and 100%-ed. Some of those items were really tricky to get to. I probably spent more time on this XBL game than I did on most full price games. I dont often welcome sequels but I would happily pay for another Shadow Complex.
I find it hugely entertaining that gamers will boycott a product because it is loosely based on ideas presented by a sci-fi writer that in his personal life has expressed disagreement with the gay culture. The actual game in question contains no mention of these beliefs whatsoever and was not penned by the author in question, but people boycott it anyway.
Then along comes a game that features graphic depictions of unarmed civilians being gunned down in an airport and allows players to participate, but that's totally okay because they give you the option to skip it and pretend it doesn't exist.
Oh gamers......such a strange and interesting value system you have.
@BlueBeard: I have one I just don't like the controller and was waiting for an announcement of porting. Looks like I'll have to get it on my 360 after all.
Next time, Chair, create pathways linking areas so that I don't have to spend twenty minutes running like a bat out of hell from one side of the game to the other because I missed a powerup. Metroid Fusion had the right idea.
awesome! Atfer finishing this game, it lft me hungry for more. So it got me to play castlevania SOTN and the other GBA castlevania games I havent played.
@kablammyman: I considered getting SOTN. I haven't played any of the Castlevania games, but I love the Metroid games and Shadow Complex. Would you recommend SOTN from this perspective?
@Platypus Man: Yes; if you still find the old Metroid games playable from a graphical standpoint, SotN is a no-brainer.
Shadow Complex is a lot more like Metroid than SotN, since items are unlocked in a rather linear fashion and open up various other sections of the map with each discovery.
SotN is more like Metroid mixed with Diablo. It has random item drops and your character levels as you play, so the "wall" that prevents you from accessing most portions of the map are difficulty/experience level-related.
@Platypus Man: If you honestly liked Shadow Complex then yes, SOTN will appear like a masterpiece to you. I still can't get over how people mention Shadow Complex and Metroid in the same sentence though, as the two games are nothing like each other in terms of polish and overall quality. *sigh* I guess standards have gone way down over time, and nowadays anything gray containing a "cool" Americanized soldier wielding guns and spouting some stupid one-liners is actually considered good.
Anyway, lets hope Chair actually studies their material this time and corrects the countless mistakes they made with the first one.
@Platypus Man: Yes, yes, yes. A thousand times yes. Unless you're a sucker for completion since there are drop rates and such for items in SOTN (it's an ocd sufferers nightmare) but the game is a classic for a good reason. SOTN is THE original Metroidvania. If you loved the 2D Metroids then you're a lock for loving SOTN.
In fact I think I'm gonna go download it now since I don't have my PS1 hooked up and say "To hell with you foul sleep!".
@Platypus Man:
What!?!
yes, millions of fans aren't wrong. you can download it anytime from xbox live. i'm not saying it's the best game ever, but definitely worth the 10 or 15 bucks. the DS castlevanias are very metroid-y too. oh, and the GBA ones are very good as well.
over and out.
@zanmato: correct. if you want to see what these types of games are supposed to be like, play Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid. Shadow Complex was a joke compared to these games.
@Archaotic: Agreed!!! The game was freaking awesome, but the story was complete shit ... and it has nothing to do with the guy being an ignorant homophobe. It's just that, well, I think he's a craptastic sci-fi writer. Yeah, yeah, I've read 'Ender's Game' before. MEH. This guy has nothing on sci-fi writers like Stanisław Lem, Arkady and Boris Strugatsky, Philip K. Dick, Aldous Huxley, Robert A. Heinlein, Jack Vance, Ursula K. Le Guin, William Gibson, Frank Herbert, Arthur C Clarke, Jonathan Lethem, ... shit ... I could go on for days, so I'll just stop here. Let's just say, that they definitely could've picked a better writer/story to base their game on.
@wirebrain: Ummm i think OSC wrote the book a long time ago and then Chair made the game as like a a prequel based on the universe. But im def sure his book came out first
@Archaotic: The Ender's Game books were great, they're considered sci-fi classics.
Empire (still haven't read the second book) wasn't really that terrible. It was a way over the top, but it felt more like a thriller than a political speech.
@Archaotic: He doesn't make a living off of "spewing hate" though. He makes a living writing sci fi novels. And while alot of them are very political in nature, I don't see any spewing of hate going on...?
Anyway, to each his own. I'm not saying he's the best sci fi writer in history or anything but, to miss out on some great books just because you think the guy is an "extremist" (another word for "conservative") is pretty lame. Oh well, your loss.
And I should add that you're hardly "supporting" someone by borrowing their book from your local library. So don't be scared to read them!
@ArmyofJuan: Sure, it came out first but Donald Mustard (the creator of Shadow Complex) knows OSC personally, had the setting and several games planned out (I think one was a RTS) and OSC asked to write a novel based on the concept. This was the same deal for Advent Rising.
@octaslash: Ender's Game and the sequels were excellent. . . when I was 14. Once I got over male adolescent wish fulfillment, not so much. I came to this before ever knowing Card's political views. There are better sci-fi writers out there, though many are, I admit, far worse.
@Archaotic: I haven't read the book myself, but reading the synopsis off of Wikipedia, both extremist left and right groups are to blame for the end results (i.e. some psycho right wingers let some terrorists launch missiles at the White House), manipulated by a man who orchestrated the entire thing to come into power as an emperor.
The lesson seems obvious from what I read in that article: United we stand, Divided we fall. Was it presented differently in the book?
@Archaotic: Only the guy who actually wrote the story (Peter David) is very liberal and a HUGE supporter of LGBT rights. If he can put aside his political differences with Card to contribute to the game, I don't see why gamers can't put aside political differences with Card to play an otherwise excellent game. Especially since Card had little to no direct involvement with the game.
@darthonyx: Agreed. The phrase he used "I may not believe in what you say, but I'll fight to the death to allow you to say it." is something I prefer to subscribe to.
@wirebrain: Who "flipped out"? I love this projection straw man you've created of someone going totally nuts and "flipping out". People just calmly boycotted and rationally explained why they were doing it. Teabaggers "flip out". Shadow Complex boycotters made a Facebook page.
@d_r_e: Anyone who drops PK Dick, the writers of Roadside Picnic, Vance, Gibson, and Lethem into a writers list deserves props. Great comment, and very, very true. Card and Enders Game are tremendously overrated.
@etchasketchist: It's very interesting you make an argument saying I project onto a group that are getting in a huff because someone doesn't share the same opinion as they do, and then you go make a wild target yourself.
I've played the "If you're not agreeing with my causes/think the way I do" game before, and I found it just punishes myself more than anything else. You're welcome to it though.
Aspiring game designers should read this postmortem and take note. Game design is less about coming up with awesome ideas and is more about lots and lots of work with metrics. I.e. stuff like "the player can jump this many units high" is what you'll be doing for most of the project.
I liked the demo, and wished to play the rest of the game; but then I found it was an Orson Scott Card project. I enjoy Card's writing, what I don't enjoy are his personal opinions and I feel I cannot draw a line between the man's created works and his personal (homophobic/gay bashing) opinions.
I made the decision a while ago to no longer financially support Card because of his beliefs, and I wish more people would too.
Here's an example:
http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html
(The irony of Card- whose writings have always been laced with slightly homoerotic imagery, calling homosexuals hypocrites..)
and here's an article about Card:
http://www.afterelton.com/people/2008/7/orsonscottcard
Well, I purchased and played through the entire game and I can gladly report that not a single homosexual was bashed throughout the entirety of the experience.
@shidarin000001: I disagree with Card. I couldn't disagree with him more.
I also couldn't disagree with you more. You don't change someone's mind by boycotting their projects and insulting them. You don't make someone see your point of view by ostricizing them. It's completely counter-productive.
@Yertle8: I don't think I could have said it better.
I can understand boycotts in reaction to poor policies and business decisions. I've done them before.
I can't figure out boycotts on someone's personal opinion, or strong arming companies who happen to sponsor someone with a different opinion.
What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it?"
@shidarin000001: Do you realize how many other things you pay for that support CEOs or business owners who have homophobic beliefs? Your local grocery store, your water and electric bills, your transportation, your taxes... you don't know how many of the people who gain money from those things are gay bashers, do you?
What's your favorite AAA video game? Once you answer that, find out how many people helped make it. It's going to be somewhere around 50-200 people, maybe even more. I'll bet you anything at least one of those people is homophobic, racist, or an outright neo-nazi. Congratulations, your favorite game funds those people. You should probably stop playing video games.
Just buy the game to support the developers and to play a game that you already said you would enjoy. When you try to be all high and mighty about "not financially backing someone who is homophobic" you're buying into media hype. If nobody told you the game's plot was loosely based on a Card plot, you'd have bought it, yes? What if I told you Card lost money every time someone bought the game? Would you buy it twice?
@gordo789: I agree Shadow Complex was lacking in some aspects, but you're also comparing a full, retail game by a major first party to a small studio's $15 XBLA release.
@Kobun: Good point. I guess for $15 it would compare reasonably to a $60 release. I guess I never realized how much of my love for Metroid and Castlevania had to do with the variety of environments and enemies.
ALSO, I think part of the treasure hunting aspect of the game was lackluster because of the way the map marked locations of hidden items with a question mark. It made it a simple matter of flashing the light around all over the question mark room until you found the "hidden" panel or whatever.
@gordo789: The only issue was how buggy this game was, as guys got stuck in walls or went through them when I got the power suit. I was showing it to a friend when a barrel rolled onto me as Jason started vibrating wildly with no way to get out of it besides loading the last save.
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And didn't Fable 1 and Halo/Halo 2 get PC ports?
#speakup
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The best little shooter ive played in years.
Keep up the fine work guys.
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Then along comes a game that features graphic depictions of unarmed civilians being gunned down in an airport and allows players to participate, but that's totally okay because they give you the option to skip it and pretend it doesn't exist.
Oh gamers......such a strange and interesting value system you have.
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Get thee to an Xbox!
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#speakup
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An absolute brilliant title and is a must for anyone thats a fan of old school design
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Bit of a design flaw, there.
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Shadow Complex is a lot more like Metroid than SotN, since items are unlocked in a rather linear fashion and open up various other sections of the map with each discovery.
SotN is more like Metroid mixed with Diablo. It has random item drops and your character levels as you play, so the "wall" that prevents you from accessing most portions of the map are difficulty/experience level-related.
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Anyway, lets hope Chair actually studies their material this time and corrects the countless mistakes they made with the first one.
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In fact I think I'm gonna go download it now since I don't have my PS1 hooked up and say "To hell with you foul sleep!".
Just get it and love it.
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What!?!
yes, millions of fans aren't wrong. you can download it anytime from xbox live. i'm not saying it's the best game ever, but definitely worth the 10 or 15 bucks. the DS castlevanias are very metroid-y too. oh, and the GBA ones are very good as well.
over and out.
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Great game, shit story. Falcon Punching people was so damn fun.
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Should've just pretended it wasn't based on his work at all. The game's story was crap, sure, but it wasn't OFFENSIVE. Just crap.
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Extremist views? Who cares about that? His views have nothing to do with the books he has written and more importantly, Shadow Complex.
Orson Scott Card is a great sci-fi writer.
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Only time it matters when their views aren't the same as their own. Americans cannot separate one's achievements with their social views.
...except when extreme money is involved, who cares if Walt Disney hated jews, amirite?
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I'd rather not support someone who makes his living off of spewing hate.
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Empire (still haven't read the second book) wasn't really that terrible. It was a way over the top, but it felt more like a thriller than a political speech.
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Anyway, to each his own. I'm not saying he's the best sci fi writer in history or anything but, to miss out on some great books just because you think the guy is an "extremist" (another word for "conservative") is pretty lame. Oh well, your loss.
And I should add that you're hardly "supporting" someone by borrowing their book from your local library. So don't be scared to read them!
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#speakup
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Not every American flips out over someone using their right of free speech for something they don't agree with.
#speakup
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The lesson seems obvious from what I read in that article: United we stand, Divided we fall. Was it presented differently in the book?
#speakup
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I've played the "If you're not agreeing with my causes/think the way I do" game before, and I found it just punishes myself more than anything else. You're welcome to it though.
#speakup
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I made the decision a while ago to no longer financially support Card because of his beliefs, and I wish more people would too.
Here's an example:
http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html
(The irony of Card- whose writings have always been laced with slightly homoerotic imagery, calling homosexuals hypocrites..)
and here's an article about Card:
http://www.afterelton.com/people/2008/7/orsonscottcard
I'm just saying, yo.
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Well, I purchased and played through the entire game and I can gladly report that not a single homosexual was bashed throughout the entirety of the experience.
Awesome game.
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I also couldn't disagree with you more. You don't change someone's mind by boycotting their projects and insulting them. You don't make someone see your point of view by ostricizing them. It's completely counter-productive.
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I can understand boycotts in reaction to poor policies and business decisions. I've done them before.
I can't figure out boycotts on someone's personal opinion, or strong arming companies who happen to sponsor someone with a different opinion.
What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it?"
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What's your favorite AAA video game? Once you answer that, find out how many people helped make it. It's going to be somewhere around 50-200 people, maybe even more. I'll bet you anything at least one of those people is homophobic, racist, or an outright neo-nazi. Congratulations, your favorite game funds those people. You should probably stop playing video games.
Just buy the game to support the developers and to play a game that you already said you would enjoy. When you try to be all high and mighty about "not financially backing someone who is homophobic" you're buying into media hype. If nobody told you the game's plot was loosely based on a Card plot, you'd have bought it, yes? What if I told you Card lost money every time someone bought the game? Would you buy it twice?
Critical thinking. Try it sometime.
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I love it.
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ALSO, I think part of the treasure hunting aspect of the game was lackluster because of the way the map marked locations of hidden items with a question mark. It made it a simple matter of flashing the light around all over the question mark room until you found the "hidden" panel or whatever.
Fine for $15 I guess.
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Life is unfair.