SF4 wasn't great to begin with and selling me a new game to fix Sagat and add new characters who will likely be either broken in new ways or just completely terrible...nah.
Like others here, I am a big fan of SFIV and just kind of wish Capcom had decided to release this as downloadable content. It's too soon to be releasing a whole new game in my opinion, especially considering it is reported to only contain a few new characters. Then again, it gives me another excuse to use the fight stick I built, so hmm.
I didn't want a new standalone not because of the price tag, I could care less about that, but this will split the online community. Yeah yeah, online fighting games lol, I know. But for those of us in the sticks w/o local gaming communities that's all we have to work with.
@superberg: I predict a largely similar experience that could've been released as an update- even a paid for one- if Capcom would've approached it that way.
As for PSN, it's hard to tack on patches onto a blu-ray like that if the game wasn't designed to do that prior to original release.
You forget that game-discs are read-only. Patches on XBL and PSN normally don't affect the inner-workings of the game in such large ways as something like this would (I've never seen a 1gb+ patch for any XBox game)
Too bad about the Live limitations on downloadable content. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
No, I don't "forget that game-discs are read-only." Come on. We all likely have games in our collections that have changed and grown significantly over time via expansions and patches.
Retail is still where the dollars are at. They want another multi million seller flagship title at retail.
@Bialia: Well, patches and expansions are not the same thing. Super SF4 is a bit of both. Major patches + extra moves and characters. Patching a bug or adding a service (built-in system features like messaging, for example) is different from refining/updating code.
As I recall, that's what was said about Halo 3: Recon before they changed the name (for the worse IMO) and made it full price (also for the worse)...
That being said, this will be a day one purchase for me. Plus I am glad they you will have to start over with the online rankings in Super SFIV... I've hit a "wall" playing online in IV since I made it to G1 on Championship Mode but, being a full-time attorney, I don't have the time to invest in playing often enough to win matches consistently at these higher levels...
@Lordd_G: To be fair, Microsoft said Halo would be cheaper, and this is Capcom making the statement about Street Fighter IV. Two entirely different sources. We'll just have to wait for Spring of '10 to be sure.
@superberg: I know what you're trying to say, but these are two top game publishers talking about hot properties at the moment... Note that it WAS MS that controlled the decision how much ODST would cost, since Halo is their IP, despite the fact the game is developed by Bungie (with MS controlling the budget). Look that one up online...
i'm getting a ps3 soon and i was wondering should i get street fighter 4 now and get super street fighter 4 when it comes out for that special treat they were talking about or should i just wait for super street fighter 4
Gotta love the internet... no price announced, only a sliver of the total new content announced, and already people have declared it a rip-off, a poor value, and an insult.
If you didn't like SF4 and don't want to buy the game, by all means... but if you claim to be a fan, how about we at LEAST wait until they've announced a price and get a good look at what we're getting before we make any value judgements.
Oh yeah, right... the internet.
And frankly, if something is going to cost the same amount anyway (which it would... don't delude yourselves), I'd rather have it on disc. Particularly with MS' draconian DRM, I don't want anything to be DLC that might end up not working down the road when the consoles are dead and buried.
I personally think they should allow owners of the original to simply pay for a DLC upgrade that would "Superfy" their version. In the days of digital distribution, it seems silly not to offer your original customers a way to upgrade without making them feel like they are being punished for being an early adopter.
Not surprised that it's a full game rather than a downloadable update. I AM kind of surprised that it's going to be less than the usual 60 dollar price tag, which makes the sticker shock hurt a little less. Plus I'm sort of interested in what the little incentive to keep SF4 Basic is.
I'm not sure why people are so angry... if it is 10 extra characters on top of the original 25 or so characters from the first game, that's an INCREDIBLY awesome upgrade in comparison to older SF's. Maybe it's from being a fighting game fan for such a long time? I was a little kid when SF2 came out but I still had every version released for Super Nintendo.
Honestly, given how much other companies charge for one or two new characters ($5 for Darth Vader, for an extra MMA fighter or boxer, etc.) you'd think that EVERYTHING being added would end up costing almost as much as a full game in terms of downloadable content. New characters, new stages, presumably new costumes, and all. Either they'd nickel and dime by stage/character/costume or package it all together for a price that would STILL put a lot of people off.
I kind of wonder if people would be angry about this if it were called Street Fighter V instead of Super SF4?
@maikeru: Yes people would still be annoyed because it would still be the same base game with a patch and some new characters added on top of it. Two things which could be easily added as DLC, not a whole new game.
They didn't create a new engine, or anything new from the base SF4 game. We didn't buy it on a non-writable cartridge and a system without internet hooked up to it, so why do they need to release it as a whole new game, making everyone's old copy worthless.
@Darkest Daze: There is more to patching than just dropping in a few new lines of code. There aren't creating a new engine, but they are revising the current one, and adding new moves for all characters, in addition to re-balancing.
Everyone keeps saying "this should be DLC," but I don't think any of you know how programming works, so stop it. Do you follow plumbers around telling them how water pressure works? Do you tell electricians what gauge of wire and conduit need to be used? Do you tell doctors how to treat your ailments?
@maikeru: yeah it's a good deal if you never bought the original. we first dayers sheled out 60 dollars (usd) only to find out that they are gonna release a better one and for less money. least that's why i'm mad
@superberg: Are you saying that gameplay adjustments and added content is something that is out of the norm? Because any game with a patch does that. They fix bugs, adjust imbalances and sometimes, if the developer is nice, adds content. That is the definition of a patch....the kind of downloadable content that games for consoles and PC's have been getting for quite some time now.
@webkatt: "yeah it's a good deal if you never bought the original. we first dayers sheled out 60 dollars (usd) only to find out that they are gonna release a better one and for less money. least that's why i'm mad"
It's a good deal if you bought the original, because if you can' scrounge up sixty bucks in the six months between now and the time the update is slated to release, you have bigger problems than the need to play a game.
Not that it's gonna be sixty bucks. Also, they announced this update a full eight months after the original released. How is that in any way misleading? Do you get mad when they release a Director's Cut DVD of a movie you enjoyed in theatres?
anger levels rising... grrr... I brought street fighter 4 just last month godammit!!! ahhh well. just as long as they make it no more than $20 i will be fine. but then again knowing capcom (who nickel and dime you just to let you get to something that is on the disc that you brought) im guess around $40/$50
@Ewan Turner: its a stand alone game - sf4 started off at 60 bucks,wouldn't be surprised if it ODST'd/L4D2'd up to to 60 too, if it generates any excitement
However excited I am to see this game, I have to say that they have done a great job of chosing all the SF characters that I don't like, and putting them into SF4 and SSF4. T-Hawk? Lame. Dee Jay? Lame. Sakura? Lame. Blanka? Lame.
Where are the Yuns, Yangs, Guys, Codys, Alexs, Makotos, and Dudleys? And better yet, where are interesting new characters? I mean come on. El Fuerte is one of the worst characters in the game, design, gameplay, and story wise. Rufus, although a strong character, is still a stupid design, and a ridiculous story. And Seth looks like the design you'd see on a fucking pog.
With these last 5 characters Capcom, please, PLEASE make something that makes me want to keep the game this time around.
@spannu: HELL YEAH! I recently found my old collection, and I really want to play. I had this awesome metal slammer that was teh pwn. man...... pogs.....
There's no way around this. It's a rip off, plain and simple. But then, this has always been Capcom's tactic with Street Fighter games anyway. The $5 per pack for an uninspired set of alternate costumes was a bad sign of things to come.
I suspect by not being full price what they mean is that the game will still cost $40 to $50. And then there's still the fact that there are two game discs, including the one for the original SF4, but the new game will likely render the original obsolete. Why the hell not offer this as a $20 - $30 expansion pack like it should be?
@MaWeiTao: You have no basis whatsoever for your claim. They have already said that this new game will have a few goodies for owners of the original game, but won't require it.
Why does everyone on the internet cling so religiously to FUD? They just announced that they are working on the game YESTERDAY. It won't be out for at least six months. Calm the fuck down.
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SF4 wasn't great to begin with and selling me a new game to fix Sagat and add new characters who will likely be either broken in new ways or just completely terrible...nah.
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Changes so extensive they can't be patched and released as DLC? Big big bullshit.
There ain't nothin' you can't patch nowadays.
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Not true at all, sir.
As far as XBox goes, M$ limits DLC sizes.
As for PSN, it's hard to tack on patches onto a blu-ray like that if the game wasn't designed to do that prior to original release.
You forget that game-discs are read-only. Patches on XBL and PSN normally don't affect the inner-workings of the game in such large ways as something like this would (I've never seen a 1gb+ patch for any XBox game)
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Too bad about the Live limitations on downloadable content. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
No, I don't "forget that game-discs are read-only." Come on. We all likely have games in our collections that have changed and grown significantly over time via expansions and patches.
Retail is still where the dollars are at. They want another multi million seller flagship title at retail.
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As I recall, that's what was said about Halo 3: Recon before they changed the name (for the worse IMO) and made it full price (also for the worse)...
That being said, this will be a day one purchase for me. Plus I am glad they you will have to start over with the online rankings in Super SFIV... I've hit a "wall" playing online in IV since I made it to G1 on Championship Mode but, being a full-time attorney, I don't have the time to invest in playing often enough to win matches consistently at these higher levels...
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I hate dumbass consumers.
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If you didn't like SF4 and don't want to buy the game, by all means... but if you claim to be a fan, how about we at LEAST wait until they've announced a price and get a good look at what we're getting before we make any value judgements.
Oh yeah, right... the internet.
And frankly, if something is going to cost the same amount anyway (which it would... don't delude yourselves), I'd rather have it on disc. Particularly with MS' draconian DRM, I don't want anything to be DLC that might end up not working down the road when the consoles are dead and buried.
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I'm not sure why people are so angry... if it is 10 extra characters on top of the original 25 or so characters from the first game, that's an INCREDIBLY awesome upgrade in comparison to older SF's. Maybe it's from being a fighting game fan for such a long time? I was a little kid when SF2 came out but I still had every version released for Super Nintendo.
Honestly, given how much other companies charge for one or two new characters ($5 for Darth Vader, for an extra MMA fighter or boxer, etc.) you'd think that EVERYTHING being added would end up costing almost as much as a full game in terms of downloadable content. New characters, new stages, presumably new costumes, and all. Either they'd nickel and dime by stage/character/costume or package it all together for a price that would STILL put a lot of people off.
I kind of wonder if people would be angry about this if it were called Street Fighter V instead of Super SF4?
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They didn't create a new engine, or anything new from the base SF4 game. We didn't buy it on a non-writable cartridge and a system without internet hooked up to it, so why do they need to release it as a whole new game, making everyone's old copy worthless.
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Everyone keeps saying "this should be DLC," but I don't think any of you know how programming works, so stop it. Do you follow plumbers around telling them how water pressure works? Do you tell electricians what gauge of wire and conduit need to be used? Do you tell doctors how to treat your ailments?
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It's a good deal if you bought the original, because if you can' scrounge up sixty bucks in the six months between now and the time the update is slated to release, you have bigger problems than the need to play a game.
Not that it's gonna be sixty bucks. Also, they announced this update a full eight months after the original released. How is that in any way misleading? Do you get mad when they release a Director's Cut DVD of a movie you enjoyed in theatres?
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Where are the Yuns, Yangs, Guys, Codys, Alexs, Makotos, and Dudleys? And better yet, where are interesting new characters? I mean come on. El Fuerte is one of the worst characters in the game, design, gameplay, and story wise. Rufus, although a strong character, is still a stupid design, and a ridiculous story. And Seth looks like the design you'd see on a fucking pog.
With these last 5 characters Capcom, please, PLEASE make something that makes me want to keep the game this time around.
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COWABUNGA!
Man. Pogs were fucking stupid as hell. What were we thinking?
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I suspect by not being full price what they mean is that the game will still cost $40 to $50. And then there's still the fact that there are two game discs, including the one for the original SF4, but the new game will likely render the original obsolete. Why the hell not offer this as a $20 - $30 expansion pack like it should be?
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Why does everyone on the internet cling so religiously to FUD? They just announced that they are working on the game YESTERDAY. It won't be out for at least six months. Calm the fuck down.