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First of all, Sagat is not overpowered, watch the videos of the people at number 1, and very few of them play Sagat. Also many of the kotaku writers are notoriously poor at fighting games, and did not grow up playing against final bosses that are actually difficult like you'll find in KOF or Art of Fighting or any number of old school games that don't have the ease of play you'll find in SF4. I mean even SF3 had a boss that can completely refill his health guage at death.
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Blizzard rebalancing? When has WoW ever been balanced despite all their patches?
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And no fucking "Street Fighter IV: Championship Edition" BS. The whole reason we have DLC in this day and age is so crap like that isn't necessary.
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Totally true. Zangief is the most over-powered fighter in the game. Blanka is a cheese ball fighter as well, his moves counter to many other other moves. Sagat is a fairly even fighter, never thought he was unfair. And Seth? His moves are so weak that its hardly fair to call him imbalanced. Zangief HAS to be nerfed, his lariat counters almost every move some characters have.
Just to verify, I've played SF since SFII in the early 90's, and was in the top 100 on the PS3 SFIV leader boards in the first week. Currently I'm in the middle bracket of Championship mode as a Vega player. Sagat is not an imbalance, even highly leveled Sagat players are easy to beat. Low level Blankas and Zangiefs? Forget about it.
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Zangief is a fish in a barrel against some opponents, that is true. However it still goes to show that some characters don't stand a chance against him. I've beaten highly skilled players with Vega, he just has vulnerabilities. If you get Vega in the corner he loses his precious wall jump agility (you can easily hit him out of it). He takes a lot of finesse, and is probably one of the most gratifying, advanced fighters to play as in the game, since he is not just timing but also the use of confusing diversity. If you diversify your attacks and never pattern your strategies, Vega is brutally confusing. M. Bison is an awesome fighter as well, played extensively with him, he is almost too powerful, though, with his teleportation...and his head stomp in EX mode is so effective, I think he is one of the best fighters in the game. IMO SFIV is the best fighter of the decade, bar none.
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I WANT MY VICTORIES HANDED TO ME!
So do the right thing Capcom, and crank out "Street Fighter IV: Easy Wins Served on a Silver Platter Edition"!
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I mean, I remember the "first" game: Bison was hard, bad-ass, you had to jump over Psycho Crushers, avoid his fist, etc... you had to learn how to play.
Akuma, same thing: you'd better avoid the Super.
Seth is just... you don't "fight"it , you don't "win" against it, you just "pass" it. It's not a game character, it's a chore.
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But you know what? I'm okay if they're overpowered, because I'm playing BlazBlue, where the characters are a lot more balanced and are a lot more interesting.
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I'm obviously not saying he's unbeatable, but the jump in difficulty between him and all the characters before him (in Arcade mode) is just too wide to be considered within the normal progression of a given difficulty mode.
Sure, skilled players will wipe the floor with him, but how many of those 3 million people who bought the game are truly skilled?
The problem with Seth is that he will turn average gamers off the game, even on the easier difficulties. And that's not what a good, challenging boss is supposed to do.
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"Average" gamers are not who butters Capcom's Street Fighter bread. Average gamers will buy the game, play it a few weeks or months, and move on. That's all you can ask from them, for this or any game, and that's fine.
The tournament faithful are the players that are going to invest heavily in your game. It doesn't really matter, in the end, if Seth "turns average gamers off the game", because even if he were easy, they're going that way eventually. Then what do you say to the crowd that's actually going to be committed to your game for the next ten years? Sorry, guys, we created easy content to appease our casual fans, now that they're gone... I guess you can play with this?
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The sad fact is Capcom's got this idea that that it's the faithful that should be playing their games and not the masses, even though they bought a lot of copies of the game.
What you're basically saying is that "Capcom should make the game for the faithful at the expense of new players". Was that why so many people came together around an SNES at their friends house, and beat the snickers out of everyone there playing Street Fighter 2? No. The game was open to the beginner, but a person with skill would be the winner if he used that skill.
Maybe we should stop trying to alienate a majority of video game players for the minority? Yes?
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I know many complained similarly about Gill as they have with Akuma, Rugal, and others. Most fighting game bosses abuse cheap tactics to put up a fight, and Seth is really no different. It's just that apparently he's still too effective in a player's hands, even with Capcom substantially increasing his damage from his AI counterpart.
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@Salen:
Was that why so many people came together around an SNES at their friends house, and beat the snickers out of everyone there playing Street Fighter 2? No. The game was open to the beginner, but a person with skill would be the winner if he used that skill.
Holy shit, if you think this Sagat is overpowered, you should see Old Sagat from Street Fighter 2. You kids have it easy.
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When i want a real challenge, i play on hard or play online against Ken Army.
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My C.Viper vs Seth vid is the one I still get random comments on every few weeks... I lucked out on that victory, but based on the comments, others haven't been as successful.
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I think C.Viper vs Seth is where I stopped playing actually. He's not a fun challenge, he's absolutely infuriating because he does things no other fighter does, like countering an attack and throwing you... while he's dizzy, or reversing which side he's on 5 times per second, making the concept of "block" irrelevant. He's pure cheapness.
I really liked SFIV and thought they did an awesome job, but at some point I realized that I was spending a good 85% of my play time fighting Seth, and I absolutely hate that. Now I haven't put the game in in months and don't really plan to - it's spoiled.
On the other hand, he is a Capcom fighter boss that's beatable if you're willing to smash your head against a brick wall for days. Even in my prime, I never finished Darkstalkers even once with anyone, and never met anyone who did, on any difficulty...
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...though C.Viper seems to be a special case. Many times as her, I've seen fighters 2 or 3 fights in just go into full-on godlike mode, blocking every single attack of any kind, and countering every single move regardless of approach... it's like the game gets into a certain mood for the day and just decides you're not going any further, so it pulls out all the stops.
It's not just that Shotos are great fighters but when I got the game, I played as Ryu and beat the whole game in under an hour - many of the fighters seemed downright stupid, like they were waiting to be hit. As C.Viper they seem to have a high chance of turning into unstoppable killing machines though, that always do the exact right thing to shut her down instantly...
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To be fair, I've stopped playing so I don't know what it's like now, but I've never found someone online who didn't play as Ryu every time. I played against a friend I know in real life who picked Seth, and I destroyed him with a character I didn't know the moves for yet. Online though, it's always Ryu.
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As for Blazblue, I've probably played it MORE than I played SF4, by about...500 to 1000 percent. The characters are balanced, the combat is beautiful and unpredictable, the setting is amazing, the spritework is on par with most 3D games, and it's a LOT of fun. Also, you don't lose points when you lose a multiplayer fight. Oh sure, you gain almost nothing when you lose but you still gain a little, compared to SF4 and it's give/take system.
So yeah, we need more BlazBlue games.
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I haven't played SFIV, but I know all to well what happens when two bad players go up against eachother and one is using an OP'd character. Skill might be enough to set one player apart from another the higher up you go, but when neither has any it's usually decided by which character is more powerful.
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It was supposed to be Americans vs. Japanese, where they brought in some top ranked Japanese player, with the conceit the audience would root for the American player. Well we had to sit and watch the American player play as Sagat and cheaply win his way to the top, so badly that the crowd started booing him. He was literally shamed off the stage until the Japanese player came and he had to fight him. The entire crowd went crazy for the Japanese player who used the little wrestler guy and wiped the floor with Saget. It was epic. Felt like I was in the Wizard.
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*Ice Board*
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Why?? Because I'm a Guilty Gear fan. And I know Daisuke Ishiwatari will never disappoint. :)
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i think it is pretty good balence need a few tweaks here and there but it is a good start up. i just hope they do downloadable game change rather than what they been doing with GG and their one year release a new version shtick
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