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    Image of Sean Thomas Sean Thomas
    02:19 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    i dont think anyone is really going to want to carry around a portable game system by the time this comes out. the games that you can buy on many smartphone platforms are good enough for me anyway. #ds
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    Image of Karlott Karlott
    02:31 AM

    @Sean Thomas: I think continued sales of the DS sort of disprove your theory here. #ds
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    Image of WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System
    01:15 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Also...can we please not call it the DS2?

    Much like "Xbox720" it makes no freaking sense. :\ I hate naming speculation like that. Blech. #ds
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    Image of NicolasCage NicolasCage
    01:32 AM

    @WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System: Xbox 360 makes very little sense.
    Xbox 720 makes very little sense.
    DS2 makes perfect sense. It's the successor to the DS. If it were the Gameboy 2, THAT would make no sense. #ds
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    WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System promoted this comment NicolasCage was starred NicolasCage was unstarred
    Image of WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System
    01:37 AM

    @NicolasCage: DS stands for DUAL SCREEN. Do you know if it'll have a dual screen? Nope. Ergo, DS2 makes no sense.

    Xbox 360 is the name because gamers are the center of it- and because consumer response to the name was varied, but universally a relation to positive experience(everyone related "360" to something pleasant in their life). To go "hur dur they added 360 the first time obviously they will do it again" is really, really stupid. THere's a reason fr the name, and to make it 720 would make 0 sense. #ds
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    Image of GyrFal GyrFal
    01:38 AM

    @WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System: Agree, with the qualification that the name Xbox360 doesn't make too much sense in the first place. Prior to the announcement, I would think that's some 12 year old's name on a forum. #ds
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    Image of WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System
    01:40 AM

    @GyrFal: See above comment. Just because you do not know the reason for the name does not mean it doesn't make sense. It has a very sweet and appropriate reasoning. #ds
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    Image of FP_slomo788 FP_slomo788
    01:10 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    It would be nice if the gap wasn't a full generation between the two handhelds this time as far as graphics goes (go?).

    Come on, Nintendo. If Sony can afford it you certainly can.

    Edit: "In many ways, the next generation of handheld gaming technology will mirror the differences in philosophy seen in today's devices. Nintendo's new machine will offer a modest level of 3D power using established parts, while Sony will once again be aiming for the bleeding edge in mobile performance, which could well come with the same kind of price premium we saw with the launch of the original PSP. "

    Oh well, guess I know who I'm rolling with again this time. In the beginning at least.
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    Edited by FP_slomo788 at 11/16/09 1:12 AM FP_slomo788 was starred FP_slomo788 was unstarred
    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    01:19 AM

    @FP_slomo788: Oh well, guess I know who I'm rolling with again this time. In the beginning at least.

    Nintendo?

    Software quality matters. A lot. I'm well aware that the PSP's games look prettier, but I'm perfectly content with the DS because it has more games, more inventive and unique games, and a control scheme that works for its titles (as opposed to the PSP's attempts to be a PS2 with only one analog stick).

    Add in the price premium and the possibility of Sony moving to digital distribution fully, and I'd rather stick with Nintendo. There's a reason why they've had an iron fist lead in the handheld market for about twenty years now. #ds
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    Image of Harpo Harpo
    01:26 AM

    @FP_slomo788: To be fair, though, we've seen this thing for soooo many years, though. Ever since the original Game Boy came and crushed the competition DESPITE a vast technological disadvantage, Nintendo was always on top. Love it or hate it, this is Nintendo. And to be fair again, the PSP never really took off like the DS did.

    Still, I'll be getting both, of course. #ds
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    Image of FP_slomo788 FP_slomo788
    01:33 AM

    @spiderweb1986: No, Sony. Those are all valid reasons to go with Nintendo, but Sony's advantages speak more to my needs and means.

    Hardware power for cinematic experiences are more important to me than gimmicks, traditional controls will be better to me than "innovation," (I adapted pretty well to the PSP's control scheme, then again I don't play FPS on it), media features are always a nice bonus, for a console or a handheld, and the price premium in my opinion was well worth it then, and if the difference between the two devices is the same here, I'll pony up again.

    Software quality matters, yes. But even last year (arguably PSP's worst year) I could find good games to play on my PSP. Next year it will be even better, and no one knows how it's going to turn out as far as third party (or first party) support goes next generation. On the first party side, Sony got their hands full with PS3 this gen so PSP got the backseat, but once PS3 will be able to stand on its own (which is probably around PSP2's launch) we don't know how they will approach software support for the new handheld yet. If the piracy problem had not blown up to these proportions PSP would have had a much, much healthier library today as far as third party support goes. All these things make it hard to really say what will happen in terms of software for Sony and Nintendo next time around.

    That said, I do think DS is a great handheld and I appreciate Nintendo's efforts with it. They just aren't really for me. Except Golden Sun 3 of course. #ds
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    Image of NightMystic NightMystic
    01:04 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    wait they are launching the DSi LL and then a next gen hand held..... WTF #ds
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    Image of Krackatoa was hit by a smooth criminal Krackatoa was hit by a smooth criminal
    01:11 AM

    @NightMystic: The DSi LL is for geriatrics... it hardly counts. :P #ds
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    Image of FarmboyinJapan FarmboyinJapan
    12:56 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Is it possible that Nintendo's next handheld with have HD support before their home console does? #ds
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    Image of RoboticSpacePenguin RoboticSpacePenguin
    12:51 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Finally... The Zune killer everyone has been waiting for? #ds
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    Image of Atomsk88 Atomsk88
    12:49 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Nah, it can't be late next year. I'd give it two more years and we'll finally have another generation of handhelds. I mean, even though it's not a large leap, we just got the DSi this year with a few hardware upgrades. We don't really even have DSi games and there's rumors of a DS2?! I'm not even really considering a PSP2 because there has always been rumors of one for well over a year, and in the end all we got was the PSPgo. #ds
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    Image of UsernameOfTheDead UsernameOfTheDead
    12:48 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Yes, but how does it compare to the N-Gage? #ds
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    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12:47 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Tegra 2 hasn't even been officially announced yet - all there is for a release date is "sometime in 2010" and given that the Zune HD is one of the only (if not the only) devices on the market using the first Tegra, I don't think we'll see it in the immediate future.

    I don't really believe that Nintendo would do another revision this soon after the DSi, either - there were two years between the original and DS Lite, and two years between that and DSi. Sony's the one pushing yearly updates - not Nintendo.

    If Nintendo launches another handheld next year, we might see it at the very end of 2010. All of these "sky is falling" or "better not buy any more Nintendo products" posts are a little ridiculous. #ds
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    Image of DrunkAus DrunkAus
    02:02 AM

    @spiderweb1986: It wont be a upgrade though which is what the DSi was(and as the PSP 1k - Go! were), its a completely new console, like from the GBA to the DS. #ds
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    Image of -MasterDex- -MasterDex-
    12:40 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    If it's using the Tegra2 then Sony may be in a whole host of trouble unless the PSP2 is equally as powerful.

    It'll be interesting to see what we find out over the coming months. #ds
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    Image of KichiGuy KichiGuy
    12:53 AM

    @-MasterDex-:
    In my opinion, the DS has a better library of games than the PSP, despite the PSP having games that emulate PS2 games well. I won't get into the details, but I owned tons of the PSP's "best" games, and I wasn't all that wowed. It has too many games that are essentially watered-down versions of games that came out 7-9 years ago on PS2, and therefore just weren't interesting to me. PSP might have Symphony of the Night, but DS has 3 exclusive, awsome Castlevanias. God of War was easily the game that stood out on the PSP, but the rest of the games were mostly "meh".

    DS hasn't sold over 100 million because it's powerful.

    I'm fully aware of the media applications of the PSP, but I can't write kanji to look them up on a PSP like I can with the DS. #ds
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    Image of FP_slomo788 FP_slomo788
    01:23 AM

    @KichiGuy: Both Sony and Nintendo have been very successful in their own markets. Nintendo's just happens to be much bigger. If Sony tries to create a DS themselves and compete with Nintendo in their turf, then they will be crushed. PSP needs to be what PS3 is for consoles, the alternative for people who don't mind paying more for better graphics and more versatility. I like that PSP2 is staying on the same path.

    About your comparison of the libraries, it's an opinion. Not everyone feels that way, and I can probably find some anecdotal evidence of people (like me) who've had better experience with the PSP games. Most importantly, PSP software should truly be revigorated next year.

    I think both platform owners did a good job at separating the market and serving each side with what they want. What I want from Sony is better graphics, tons of first party games and big third party support, both for big production games and indie ones, ability to play movies, music, display pics, access the internet, connect with PS3/PS4, multiplayer support, etc. Nintendo will provide the innovation/gameplay-based fun/ kanji-writing ability/ Mario etc. #ds
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    Image of shimage shimage
    01:41 AM

    @-MasterDex-: RTFA. Article says that the PSP2 will be more powerful. The PSP2 will probably use a 4-core chip from IMG, and each of those cores could conceivably be as powerful as the Tegra 2. It is likely that, while the DS successor may exceed the Wii's horsepower, comparisons to Sony's offering will be much the same as this past generation. #ds
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    Image of KichiGuy KichiGuy
    01:48 AM

    @FP_slomo788: "About your comparison of the libraries, it's an opinion."

    That's why I said things such as "to me". Also, "In my opinion" is the opening line.

    I'm not trying to hate on Sony, or the PSP, I'm just giving my opinion as to why the DS is doing better than the PSP. My main point is that the DS, despite being way less powerful, is beating the PSP in terms of units sold. MasterDex said that PSP needs to be more powerful than the DS to succeed, and maybe he's right, but just being more powerful won't win the war.

    One of the other reasons I prefer the DS is that some of its better games are 2D, and they're brand new(2D gaming is harder to find than 3D these days).

    All I know is that Sony better have 2 analog sticks on their next iteration, and they should work on lowering the price. We all know that $250+ for the PSPgo is a ridiculous amount when it's not that much different from the older $190 models.
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    Edited by KichiGuy at 11/16/09 2:03 AM KichiGuy was starred KichiGuy was unstarred
    Image of m0re m0re
    01:51 AM

    @shimage: Interesting article. I wonder what's up with Sony's insisting to build a brand new chip every time? We've seen from the xbox 360/PS3 debacle that sony hardware generally have relatively poor developer support due to the complex hardware.

    In the end, the thing that matters is whether the chip paves the way to better games in terms of quality and quantity, not how powerful it is. #ds
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    Image of FP_slomo788 FP_slomo788
    02:01 AM

    @m0re: " I wonder what's up with Sony's insisting to build a brand new chip every time?"

    Because that's become part of the PS brand, and it's now what PS customers expect. If the new PSP was just a twist of the old one like the Wii is of the Gamecube, Sony would lose their current market. Maybe win a new one, maybe not, but they'd have to let the current one go.

    "We've seen from the xbox 360/PS3 debacle that sony hardware generally have relatively poor developer support due to the complex hardware."

    What? How does PS3 have poor developer support? Because Valve doesn't want to touch it? Compare the libraries of the 360 and PS3 for any year but 2006, both consoles have been supported strongly. Yeah, they whine about PS3, but the ultimate factor is userbase size, and that's not a problem Sony's had for any of their consoles. And even if PS3 had significantly less third party games (it doesn't) I fail to see how it shows they "generally have poor developer support." Have you heard of the PS1? The PS2?
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    Edited by FP_slomo788 at 11/16/09 2:13 AM FP_slomo788 was starred FP_slomo788 was unstarred
    Image of FP_slomo788 FP_slomo788
    02:11 AM

    @KichiGuy: I noticed that you did say that, I guess I should have made my point clearer.

    Your comparison of the libraries, as an opinion, can not really be considered an analysis of the state of the handheld war. There are many other factors that have worked against the PSP, some not under Sony's control, but others for which they deserve full blame. The fact that Nintendo caters to your taste or that of 150 million DS owners doesn't mean that Sony couldn't have found a way to get to 200 million people who enjoy the PSP more. Piracy, marketing problems, etc all prevented that. And while I agree that power isn't everything when the goal is to win marketshare, I don't think it hurts either. Having a less powerful handheld would have not helped them in any way this gen, as the problems were not linked to that at all.

    Also, I don't really get the PSPGo reference... Clearly we're not talking minor upgrade here, this is about the successor (didn't Nintendo just launch a DSi LL for about $220 in Japan?). PSP was well worth $250 at launch, I don't doubt PSP2 will as well.
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    Edited by FP_slomo788 at 11/16/09 2:12 AM FP_slomo788 was starred FP_slomo788 was unstarred
    Image of KichiGuy KichiGuy
    02:31 AM

    @FP_slomo788: I'm saying that Sony needs to think about how they price their next PSP system. We've seen by the sales of the PS3, and the PSPgo, that pricing them super high didn't help.

    I understand the PS3's situation, but in the case of the PSPgo, there is no reason it should be priced that high. The DSi LL is an optional upgrade with noticeable differences (much larger screen, longer battery life). For what reason is the PSPgo priced $60 higher than the older models which have a UMD slot? What hardware was added? The PSPgo's price tag is not justified at all. #ds
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    Image of WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System
    12:40 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Better be a portable gamecube imo

    And nintendo? Don't put out one you KNOW looks like crap and is inefficient as hell, just so you can put out 6 new ones later. Idea: Do it right the first time, like freaking everything else. Why do handheld devices get a free pass to be redone 500 times? Do it right the first time. God damn.
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    Edited by WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System at 11/16/09 12:41 AM WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System was starred WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System was unstarred
    Image of Hey_Blinkon Hey_Blinkon
    12:48 AM

    @WhiteMage Says Fix the Promotion System: I hear that. Just like Nintendo took the i from Apple, they took this buisness model too :( #ds
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    Image of Atomsk88 Atomsk88
    12:56 AM

    @Hey_Blinkon: Sony is just as guilty too: 1000, 2000 (Slim), 3000 (Lite), and PSPgo.

    Either way, in the span of almost five years for both handhelds, we've had four different variations of basically the same device, give or take some Bluetooth and RAM.
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    Edited by Atomsk88 at 11/16/09 1:01 AM Atomsk88 was starred Atomsk88 was unstarred
    Image of excaliburps excaliburps
    12:39 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Wow. If this does indeed release next year then we have one DS or new portable game device/iteration per year no?

    Haven't bought a DS yet so I'm not really complaining.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the new DS or new Nintendo handheld had a touch-screen and motion control built in. I mean more than what the iPod Touch is capable of obviously.

    I only hope we don't get bombarded with plastic add-ons or whatnot when it indeed comes into fruition. #ds
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    Image of shimage shimage
    01:43 AM

    @excaliburps: DSi launched in Nov '08 in Japan. Presumably, if this launches in '10, it will be at the end of the year, and Japan-only. So, business as usual. #ds
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    Image of Hey_Blinkon Hey_Blinkon
    12:38 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    I just want a NICE screen. None of this dim stuff. It sucks, because the games on my PSP look great because of the screen, but most of the games I play are on DS. #ds
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    Image of fozfan33 fozfan33
    12:38 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    late next year? that settles it, ill never be buying a dsi. #ds
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    Image of DustbinK DustbinK
    12:36 AM

    In reply to Rumor: New DS Is Better Than The Zune
    Three screens. #ds
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