my neighbor has had some real bad luck. he has gone through 5 of them. kinda crazy cause i use his 360 to play the 360 exclusives like halo, l4d,etc.
(PS3/Wii owner here) yeah its pretty awesome, because neither of us is bleeding fanboys who refuse to play that OTHER console
and the worse thing is they always RROD during the week of a big launch for a game.
and in fact all of my 360 owning friends have gone through multiple 360's. its fair to say that the failure rate of the 360 is its true and only "achilles heel".
i know im in a small minority, but i hate having shit break down and have to send away for repairs. as it was i waited for a week for my hdtv repair and that was pure hell. just recently my tv started showing the same damn defect again. this is the 4th time.
(westinghouse hdtv) and i now am going to change to a new tv. (sony bravia). not for any fanboy reasons, but purely because a friend has had his bravia for 3 years with no damn problems like power failure or extreme burn in.
i want the 360 for the exclusives
-mass effect
-halo
-splinter cell conviction
-l4d
-etc
its just the headache of having shit breakdown when im really in the mood to play games. as it is i dont have 80 hours to burn during the week to play games like some other folks. that RROD part just fucking sucks anyway you look at it.
My past 2 360s never caught the red ring - it was always the disc drive. They would barely read games but had no problems with DVDs. I couldn't even play some of the larger games without getting a DRE during a loading sequence (Oblivion, Mass Effect, etc).
Then again I did by those used from Gamestop so it's expected. No problems yet with my current, which I bought in March of this year.
Those who don't have busted 360's will dismiss the poll as just more fear-mongering, while I would imagine that 360 owners who have had a failure would want to be sure their voice got heard.
Meanwhile, was there any amount of poll-takers who had never actually owned a 360? I could see some ballot stuffing from fanboys from the other camp.
But that is such a riddiculously small sample size that the poll isn't even remotely newsworthy.
@TRT-X: Or because logic would dictate that as time progresses more and more people are likely to experience a problem due to the nature of mechanical/electronic things... Especially ones that are poorly designed.
@TRT-X: Except this would be a perfectly valid sample size for a scientific study (which it isn't) and regardless the results are certainly interesting - if you went on Newegg and were looking for a laptop but 60% of the 560 user reviews said it died after normal use, would you buy that laptop? Sure, it's probably true that more people that have failures leave reviews than people with working systems, but wouldn't you be a bit worried?
So how many have to fail to actually get people to stop replacing them? Will people stop once the 3 year warranty is up? How much is this inflating the number of "consoles shipped" reported by microsoft? That 16% PS3 failure rate seems pretty bad too. My first console red ringed several times but letting it cool down, it always came back. It finally died and I replaced it because I was able to find a $99 walmart deal. I don't think I would have replaced it at full price. I've had zero problems with my PS3 and Wii.
@subnet6: Just got my elite back from being repaired for RROD...I have no plans of getting rid of my 360. It's still the best gaming console on the market imo. With or without it's hardware flaws.
PS3 holds absolutely no appeal to me, and personally I think the wii is a joke. Irregardless of the amount of units Nintendo has sold.
@Stream Of Consciousness: We're all entitled to our own opinion but if very many people share yours, you can bet we'll all be getting lots more shoddy and unreliable hardware from MS in the future.
Just out of curiousity, which games do you find yourself playing the most lately?
@subnet6: Fair enough, and yeah it's most definitely just my opinion.
To answer your question though, I am mostly a shooter guy (which may explain some of the 360's appeal to me...you know to stereotype), but I also love me some XBL arcade games.
Currently I'm addicted to "Modern Warfare 2's" multiplayer. Yeah, real shocking huh? But one of my favorite 360 games is without a doubt "Dead Space". I freaking love that game. I'm also wanting to get "Assassin's Creed 2" which is obviously multiplat and I hear a bit better on PS3 for certain features.
@Stream Of Consciousness: No question about it. If you're an "online shooter" guy, the 360 is where it's at. That's kind of what I expected based on your comment. :)
But yeah, I just picked up Dead Space again. I started it a while back but for some reason ended up trading it. Well, now that I have it back I'm excited to actually get some time with it.
Oh, and it if the Wii is a joke, I think it's Nintendo who's doing the laughing if you know what I mean. I actually enjoy it quite a bit, but it's certainly not the place to be if you like online shooters (I generally hate them). I've been playing NSMBW and it's fantastic. Maybe my GOTY.
50% of my 360's have died. Two of them, to be precise. The other two are happily plugging away here.
I think the installing to hard drive was a godsend. Less heat in the system, no chance of burning out your DVD drive (like what happens to some systems) since its not being used, and much much less noise. I mean, ignoring all the other benefits like faster loading and such.
If more people installed to HDD, more people would have working xboxes. That said, nobody should be forced to install to the hard drive so wtf Microsoft, stop hiring malaysian child labourers to build your systems out of scrap metal and local voodoo magics.
I honestly think that besides the jasper chip, installing to the hard drive is going to cut down on a lot of system death. Its not needing to vent nearly as much heat all the time.
And this wasn't even an option before NXE came along.
I think Nintendo had it right with cartridges tbh. Cause I'll likely still be able to play my 64 10 years from now... any of the systems out today, likely not.
@Komrade Kayce: Isn't that the truth. I had to replace my PS2 after 8 years. What will happen in anouther 8 when I want to play Finale Fantasy XII...I mean Suikoden IV....no wait, when I want to play Devil May Cry 2- No, no, when I'd like to play Unlimited Saga....no, more like Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2, what if I'd like to...
Well there might be SOME reason I'd like to play the PS2 a decade from now.
I wish my Dreamcast would work as it should, though. I can't even play the latest game I bought for it.
This, my friend, is the beauty of PC emulation and why it should never be killed off. Your console might die, but a computer that can run the classics with a controller hooked up to it will preserve your loved ones.
@Ribbuku:
You're the odd one off then. Everyone gets console problems, but theres a lot more working NES/SNES/64/Genesis/etc systems out in the wild today than I believe there will be 360's/PS3's/PS2's/Wii's in 10 years.
Even the gamecube was built like a brick, even for an optical disc system. Its just on the Wii that I've seen Nintendo systems go down the busted hardware path.
I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Someone always does. Then someone else says 'Sony has mandatory ones because the blu ray drive cant read some of the information fast enough, Microsofts are still voluntary' and the original someone never responds.
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@Komrade Kayce: I'd rather have something mandatory and protect / extend the life of my consoles over having the heartache of seeing a console I was using keel over :| A heavy gamer friend I know has bought a new 360 every year since release (he has two at all times), and he swears by the console, so MS isn't losing any sleep over it, I'm guessing.
Obviously it's different for different people as electronics have a way of flaking out in different ways (not to mention people abuse them / don't take care of them and expect them to live forever).
But, I own a first gen PS1, first gen PS2, 80gb 2nd gen back compat PS3 and first gen 360 and the 360 is the only one to have needed repairs. It was sent out for repair twice, and on the third time it was out of warranty so I just left it (sigh). I know my old NES and SNES still work as I tested them recently (although a bunch of RPG's I own don't work anymore because the internal battery died, which I suppose I could swap out). I gave away my Gamecube to a cousin, which I kind of regret now, so I'm not sure if it's still working, and my Genesis met with an unfortunate moving accident, but other than that all the consoles I've owned are still alive even to this day.
Heck, I'm tempted to go dig around in the closet to find my old Magnavox Odyssey to see if it will work.
Now that I've got your defensive attention, I'd like to speak about my PS3. It has lately had troubles loading games whenever I put them in. Started back when I was playing Uncharted 2 and Tekken 6 on it, especially the former would get my machine to start sounding like a buzzsaw after a little while of playing.
However, this week, with Ratchet and Clank, it doesn't seem to have any problems whatsoever, which I am happy about.
@ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness: I read from the reviews that Tekken 6 has pretty awful loading times, on both consoles but it's worse on PS3.
Uncharted 2 does take pretty long to load, but I think that's the price we pay for no loading screens within the game itself. Also, after installing the first update mine simply wouldn't load, so I had to erase game data to play it (I've yet to play it online).
I think your console is fine, those games just happen to have long loading times. Of course, I could be wrong. You should try playing some of your old games to see if anything changed.
@ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness: The optical drive died in my PS3, Sony wanted somewhere around £150 to replace it, with a very long turnaround. Given that I didn't have a huge games library for it (just stuff that I couldn't get in a superior form on the 360), I didn't bother, gave my bro my copies of LBP and Uncharted. Sony need to rethink their pricing for repairs a little, I feel. That said, where something unmissable and exclusive does finally come out, I guess I can buy a nice new slim, so I semi-win.
@FP_slomo788: This is sort of off-topic, but while playing Uncharted 2, one of the things that really struck me was the seamlessness of loading throughout the game. It was extremely well handled and something that did not get a lot of attention. #speakup
I just hope my 360 will hold on until I'm done with Mass Effect 2. It red-ringed last July ("only" my 2nd RROD, I'm so lucky!), then started working again after a couple of hours. ...And I haven't used it since.
After ME2, there aren't any exclusives that I absolutely must play - I am interested in Alan Wake, but I could do without it.
Halo: Whatever, Crackdown 2 or Splinter Cell? Not for me.
Even if recent 360s were 100% reliable, the damage is done as far as I'm concerned: all multiplatform purchases go to the PS3, and I certainly won't buy another 360 if my Elite fails outside of warranty.
And when MS's next system comes around, chances that I'll get one at launch are slim at best.
@Antiterra: Not interested in gears 3, Ninety nine nights 2, Fable 3, Kingdom under fire 2, Left 4 dead 2 or Mechwarrior? There the only ones I can think of you've not already said or that came out recently (like odst, forza and magna carta 2).
I didn't like Fable 2 enough to finish it and details on #3 did little to woo me.
NNN 2 would have to be the Most Improved Sequel Ever for me to even bother downloading the demo.
KUF2, not interested either. I just don't dig the gameplay - that particular niche is not for me.
I wasn't sure I wanted to play Gears 2 after the first one; now that I have, I know for certain I don't want to play Gears 3.
Halo just never appealed to me - very few FPS do.
I play very little multiplayer, so L4D2 does no more for me than TF2 or COD.
As for MechWarrior, the only thing remotely resembling a mecha game that I ever enjoyed was ZOE2 (and it's a stretch to even put the two in the same sentence).
Magna Carta 2 isn't exactly JRPG Hall Of Fame material. These days, RPGs have to be damn good for me to agree to the time commitment.
I have no more interest in Forza than I have in Gran Turismo or most racing sims.
So, there... If we're talking exclusives, I'm more of a Heavy Rain, Last Guardian, God Of War III, Uncharted, Demon's Souls kinda person. And in a more future, Yakuza (if Sega bother to bring it westward) or inFamous2.
@Antiterra: That's fine then if you're not interested, just thought I might suggest some titles you could be interested in.
I wouldn't say it's hall of fame material but if you've got a console and you want games you buy games and play them. As a JRPG fan I don't need a game to get 90% or higher before I touch it. I'm more into trying a lot of games rather than just going for the block busters in a hollywood styled approach to gaming.
Well it seems you dig anything on PS3 a lot more than anything on 360 some reason. Oh well maybe it is just preference. Still if you like Infamous why not crackdown? I'm not here to argue though, just tried seeing if any of the games you might have forgot about interested you.
@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: I know Infamous is said to have a Crackdown vibe, but it felt (to me) like a tighter, more cohesive and convincing package.
I found the story and characters much more interesting (Crackdown hardly had much of either), and Infamous' world felt more original and distinctive, less messy and all-over-the-place.
To be fair, I didn't have the motivation to finish Crackdown, so maybe the story develops into something better. But overall, the premise and execution simply didn't "click" with me.
EDIT- I'll say this though: Natal definitely has the potential to make me fall back in love with the 360 like in the days of Dead Rising, Mass Effect and Lost Odyssey.
The keyword is "potential", however, because I'll remain sceptical about it (and Sony's wand) until I see something more concrete than tech demos.
@Antiterra: I can understand that so I won't argue with it, I was just curious as they are pretty similar.
Well the truth is things need to click really, just like how uncharted doesn't click with me yet most other games do. If it doesn't click there's just no way to enjoy them so I understand what you mean. Hopefully they'll release some more stuff that interest you down the line though.
Sheesh. I'm not trying to say that Xbox's are reliable, but I am saying that this headline and CNET's are both b.s. and are only useful as flamebait. Self-selected surveys are *entirely* unscientific, and therefore cannot be used to determine anything in terms of a group as a whole.
If the headlines read, "60% of People Who Chose to Take This Survey Own 360s That Died," then they'd be accurate. Anything else is misleading.
@Man in the mirror: Possibly/probably, but that's also why M-soft extended the warranty to 3 years on the 360's most common problems. And the Jasper kits seem to be doing pretty well.
@Communist Pope: My Wii died and my PS3 regularly freezes up when I use iPlayer, needing a hard reboot. The 360 is soldiering on with not a single problem and the majority of my console games are on it.
@Communist Pope: and actually Game Informer did give the disclaimer that their percentage was of people who own 360, which differs from the number of people who own PS3 or Wii thus changing the percentages... if they said they surveyed the same amount of PS3, Wii and 360 owners (for example a 1000 of each one) then it would be a whole other story. Make no mistake, I don't own a 360 (and never will) but things that are wrong, well, are wrong.
@Communist Pope: Exactly - when you self select a survey like this - most of the people who answer are angry customers. Happy customers don't respond. The unhappy ones want their complaint heard. 60% of UK xboxes have not died. I'm sure the % is way higher than it should be - but it isn't 60% - probably half that.
@Limafoxtrot: Not only that, but there's no way to ascertain that everyone who took the survey actually owns or owned a 360. I'm sure we've all encountered PS3 owners who would gladly take a select-in survey just to say they've owned a 360 that died to boost the negative numbers. And the reverse could be said for any opt-in "broken PS3" surveys, as well.
McWarrior, Nick-I-Am -- I'd promote your comments, but doing so would also promote the angry troll you're responding to...
@SPni: It'll probably go any day now. I'm on my 7th console. Seventh!
Keep in mind that I've been gamin' since the '70s. I've owned just about every console (starting with the TelStar), and no joke: Not a single one has EVER broken down. I take great care of my stuff.
The last one I had, the disc tray wouldn't close. If you tried to close it, the mechanism would simply push the tray back out. ...wasn't covered under warranty (at least that's what I was told over the phone twice).
Anyway, the first few were all covered under the "two year warranty" I'd picked up at Best Buy. So no big deal.
But get this (it's been a few years so I hope I'm remembering this correctly) - Best Buy's two year warranties aren't really for two years. It varies.
Before Microsoft extended their warranty to three years, I had multiple 360's break down. I kept taking them back to Best Buy and swapping them out for new ones.
After, I think it was about a year and a half - I took one in 'cause it had died, again.
Best Buy told me my warranty had expired.
I'd explained that I'd bought a two year warranty and I was within those two years, soooooo WTF?
Turns out the first "year" of Best Buy's two year warranties run concurrently with the manufacturer's warranty.
Meaning: if the manufacturer's warranty is only TWO MONTHS, then the first "year" of Best Buy's two year warranty is also only TWO MONTHS.
I was soooooooooooo pissed. Oh. My. Friggin'. God.
Anyway, my girlfriend ended up buying me a new 360. I ended up buying her one after her 360 died too.
So overall, I've actually purchased two 360's (even though I'm on my 7th).
@Twisk: Just wanted to point out that the part I can't remember exactly is how long Microsoft's initial warranty lasted.
...not sure if it was two months or three months. I thinnnnnnk it was just three months. So my "two year" product replacement plan at Best Buy was actually only a year and three months.
The failure rate of the 360 was always what made me keep my distance. That and the fact I don't have to own one as the people around me generally do. I'm happy with my PS3 slim and I might pick up a 360 at some point in the future. Hopefully by then they'll have fixed it.
You would have thought with the constant hardware revisions they do it wouldn't be so much of an issue now.
I have had two Red Rings here, as a result I don't play it much anymore.
The estimate of a 60% failure rate doesn't seem too high to me. PS3's failing at or above 15% is a bit troubling as well although I haven't had any troubles with mine.
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my neighbor has had some real bad luck. he has gone through 5 of them. kinda crazy cause i use his 360 to play the 360 exclusives like halo, l4d,etc.
(PS3/Wii owner here) yeah its pretty awesome, because neither of us is bleeding fanboys who refuse to play that OTHER console
and the worse thing is they always RROD during the week of a big launch for a game.
and in fact all of my 360 owning friends have gone through multiple 360's. its fair to say that the failure rate of the 360 is its true and only "achilles heel".
i know im in a small minority, but i hate having shit break down and have to send away for repairs. as it was i waited for a week for my hdtv repair and that was pure hell. just recently my tv started showing the same damn defect again. this is the 4th time.
(westinghouse hdtv) and i now am going to change to a new tv. (sony bravia). not for any fanboy reasons, but purely because a friend has had his bravia for 3 years with no damn problems like power failure or extreme burn in.
i want the 360 for the exclusives
-mass effect
-halo
-splinter cell conviction
-l4d
-etc
its just the headache of having shit breakdown when im really in the mood to play games. as it is i dont have 80 hours to burn during the week to play games like some other folks. that RROD part just fucking sucks anyway you look at it.
/end rant
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Then again I did by those used from Gamestop so it's expected. No problems yet with my current, which I bought in March of this year.
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Meanwhile, was there any amount of poll-takers who had never actually owned a 360? I could see some ballot stuffing from fanboys from the other camp.
But that is such a riddiculously small sample size that the poll isn't even remotely newsworthy.
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Then see how many headline-only readers I can catch.
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#speakup
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PS3 holds absolutely no appeal to me, and personally I think the wii is a joke. Irregardless of the amount of units Nintendo has sold.
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Just out of curiousity, which games do you find yourself playing the most lately?
#speakup
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To answer your question though, I am mostly a shooter guy (which may explain some of the 360's appeal to me...you know to stereotype), but I also love me some XBL arcade games.
Currently I'm addicted to "Modern Warfare 2's" multiplayer. Yeah, real shocking huh? But one of my favorite 360 games is without a doubt "Dead Space". I freaking love that game. I'm also wanting to get "Assassin's Creed 2" which is obviously multiplat and I hear a bit better on PS3 for certain features.
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But yeah, I just picked up Dead Space again. I started it a while back but for some reason ended up trading it. Well, now that I have it back I'm excited to actually get some time with it.
Oh, and it if the Wii is a joke, I think it's Nintendo who's doing the laughing if you know what I mean. I actually enjoy it quite a bit, but it's certainly not the place to be if you like online shooters (I generally hate them). I've been playing NSMBW and it's fantastic. Maybe my GOTY.
#speakup
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I just LOVE that picture.
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I think the installing to hard drive was a godsend. Less heat in the system, no chance of burning out your DVD drive (like what happens to some systems) since its not being used, and much much less noise. I mean, ignoring all the other benefits like faster loading and such.
If more people installed to HDD, more people would have working xboxes. That said, nobody should be forced to install to the hard drive so wtf Microsoft, stop hiring malaysian child labourers to build your systems out of scrap metal and local voodoo magics.
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...Good thing you got your senses back in the end of the last paragraph.
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I honestly think that besides the jasper chip, installing to the hard drive is going to cut down on a lot of system death. Its not needing to vent nearly as much heat all the time.
And this wasn't even an option before NXE came along.
I think Nintendo had it right with cartridges tbh. Cause I'll likely still be able to play my 64 10 years from now... any of the systems out today, likely not.
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Well there might be SOME reason I'd like to play the PS2 a decade from now.
I wish my Dreamcast would work as it should, though. I can't even play the latest game I bought for it.
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This, my friend, is the beauty of PC emulation and why it should never be killed off. Your console might die, but a computer that can run the classics with a controller hooked up to it will preserve your loved ones.
@Ribbuku:
You're the odd one off then. Everyone gets console problems, but theres a lot more working NES/SNES/64/Genesis/etc systems out in the wild today than I believe there will be 360's/PS3's/PS2's/Wii's in 10 years.
Even the gamecube was built like a brick, even for an optical disc system. Its just on the Wii that I've seen Nintendo systems go down the busted hardware path.
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#speakup
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I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Someone always does. Then someone else says 'Sony has mandatory ones because the blu ray drive cant read some of the information fast enough, Microsofts are still voluntary' and the original someone never responds.
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Obviously it's different for different people as electronics have a way of flaking out in different ways (not to mention people abuse them / don't take care of them and expect them to live forever).
But, I own a first gen PS1, first gen PS2, 80gb 2nd gen back compat PS3 and first gen 360 and the 360 is the only one to have needed repairs. It was sent out for repair twice, and on the third time it was out of warranty so I just left it (sigh). I know my old NES and SNES still work as I tested them recently (although a bunch of RPG's I own don't work anymore because the internal battery died, which I suppose I could swap out). I gave away my Gamecube to a cousin, which I kind of regret now, so I'm not sure if it's still working, and my Genesis met with an unfortunate moving accident, but other than that all the consoles I've owned are still alive even to this day.
Heck, I'm tempted to go dig around in the closet to find my old Magnavox Odyssey to see if it will work.
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#speakup
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*cough*
Now that I've got your defensive attention, I'd like to speak about my PS3. It has lately had troubles loading games whenever I put them in. Started back when I was playing Uncharted 2 and Tekken 6 on it, especially the former would get my machine to start sounding like a buzzsaw after a little while of playing.
However, this week, with Ratchet and Clank, it doesn't seem to have any problems whatsoever, which I am happy about.
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Uncharted 2 does take pretty long to load, but I think that's the price we pay for no loading screens within the game itself. Also, after installing the first update mine simply wouldn't load, so I had to erase game data to play it (I've yet to play it online).
I think your console is fine, those games just happen to have long loading times. Of course, I could be wrong. You should try playing some of your old games to see if anything changed.
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@allyoukids: Wouldn't the Slim be more expensive than the repairs though?
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After ME2, there aren't any exclusives that I absolutely must play - I am interested in Alan Wake, but I could do without it.
Halo: Whatever, Crackdown 2 or Splinter Cell? Not for me.
Even if recent 360s were 100% reliable, the damage is done as far as I'm concerned: all multiplatform purchases go to the PS3, and I certainly won't buy another 360 if my Elite fails outside of warranty.
And when MS's next system comes around, chances that I'll get one at launch are slim at best.
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I didn't like Fable 2 enough to finish it and details on #3 did little to woo me.
NNN 2 would have to be the Most Improved Sequel Ever for me to even bother downloading the demo.
KUF2, not interested either. I just don't dig the gameplay - that particular niche is not for me.
I wasn't sure I wanted to play Gears 2 after the first one; now that I have, I know for certain I don't want to play Gears 3.
Halo just never appealed to me - very few FPS do.
I play very little multiplayer, so L4D2 does no more for me than TF2 or COD.
As for MechWarrior, the only thing remotely resembling a mecha game that I ever enjoyed was ZOE2 (and it's a stretch to even put the two in the same sentence).
Magna Carta 2 isn't exactly JRPG Hall Of Fame material. These days, RPGs have to be damn good for me to agree to the time commitment.
I have no more interest in Forza than I have in Gran Turismo or most racing sims.
So, there... If we're talking exclusives, I'm more of a Heavy Rain, Last Guardian, God Of War III, Uncharted, Demon's Souls kinda person. And in a more future, Yakuza (if Sega bother to bring it westward) or inFamous2.
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I wouldn't say it's hall of fame material but if you've got a console and you want games you buy games and play them. As a JRPG fan I don't need a game to get 90% or higher before I touch it. I'm more into trying a lot of games rather than just going for the block busters in a hollywood styled approach to gaming.
Well it seems you dig anything on PS3 a lot more than anything on 360 some reason. Oh well maybe it is just preference. Still if you like Infamous why not crackdown? I'm not here to argue though, just tried seeing if any of the games you might have forgot about interested you.
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I found the story and characters much more interesting (Crackdown hardly had much of either), and Infamous' world felt more original and distinctive, less messy and all-over-the-place.
To be fair, I didn't have the motivation to finish Crackdown, so maybe the story develops into something better. But overall, the premise and execution simply didn't "click" with me.
EDIT- I'll say this though: Natal definitely has the potential to make me fall back in love with the 360 like in the days of Dead Rising, Mass Effect and Lost Odyssey.
The keyword is "potential", however, because I'll remain sceptical about it (and Sony's wand) until I see something more concrete than tech demos.
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Well the truth is things need to click really, just like how uncharted doesn't click with me yet most other games do. If it doesn't click there's just no way to enjoy them so I understand what you mean. Hopefully they'll release some more stuff that interest you down the line though.
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If the headlines read, "60% of People Who Chose to Take This Survey Own 360s That Died," then they'd be accurate. Anything else is misleading.
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Never had a Red Ring, have had to replace the DVD Drive, but other than that no Dead 360's.
I have had a PS3 Drive fail - which was fixed under Warantee.
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Yeah this pissed me off as well and some other people below on the comments...
But I wonder, if the numbers were that huge and reliable, woudn't it be a win case for a mass-sue Microsoft?
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McWarrior, Nick-I-Am -- I'd promote your comments, but doing so would also promote the angry troll you're responding to...
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Fuck.
11/18/09
Keep in mind that I've been gamin' since the '70s. I've owned just about every console (starting with the TelStar), and no joke: Not a single one has EVER broken down. I take great care of my stuff.
The last one I had, the disc tray wouldn't close. If you tried to close it, the mechanism would simply push the tray back out. ...wasn't covered under warranty (at least that's what I was told over the phone twice).
11/18/09
So... seven? I mean, really? I'd probably have given up on the console by the second redring.
Great thing about PC gaming is you only usually have to replace one part, not the whole thing.
11/18/09
Really.
Anyway, the first few were all covered under the "two year warranty" I'd picked up at Best Buy. So no big deal.
But get this (it's been a few years so I hope I'm remembering this correctly) - Best Buy's two year warranties aren't really for two years. It varies.
Before Microsoft extended their warranty to three years, I had multiple 360's break down. I kept taking them back to Best Buy and swapping them out for new ones.
After, I think it was about a year and a half - I took one in 'cause it had died, again.
Best Buy told me my warranty had expired.
I'd explained that I'd bought a two year warranty and I was within those two years, soooooo WTF?
Turns out the first "year" of Best Buy's two year warranties run concurrently with the manufacturer's warranty.
Meaning: if the manufacturer's warranty is only TWO MONTHS, then the first "year" of Best Buy's two year warranty is also only TWO MONTHS.
I was soooooooooooo pissed. Oh. My. Friggin'. God.
Anyway, my girlfriend ended up buying me a new 360. I ended up buying her one after her 360 died too.
So overall, I've actually purchased two 360's (even though I'm on my 7th).
11/18/09
...not sure if it was two months or three months. I thinnnnnnk it was just three months. So my "two year" product replacement plan at Best Buy was actually only a year and three months.
11/18/09
You would have thought with the constant hardware revisions they do it wouldn't be so much of an issue now.
11/18/09
The estimate of a 60% failure rate doesn't seem too high to me. PS3's failing at or above 15% is a bit troubling as well although I haven't had any troubles with mine.