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It'd be nice to see what the fuss is about, but damned if I'm paying that much for it. #modernwarfare2
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I like cheap shooters(monetarily speaking.) #modernwarfare2
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Meanwhile, I rented WaW and didn't even have fun with it. I don't think it's worth any amount of money tbqh. #modernwarfare2
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Ah, thanks for the tip.
I'll try it out. #modernwarfare2
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I actually enjoy waiting in line for midnight releases, especially for high profile games like this. Monday my anticipation for this game reached critical mass and it was a fun way to get in touch with other people that were as hyp as I was. There was at least 100 people at the store I was at. Just made the release more of a fun event.
Do you guys ever get games early from ordering from amazon or elsewhere? #modernwarfare2
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I watched a lot of reviews for this game so far. I think game trailers covered the campaign part fairly well. It looks like its a bargain bin game for me. Its shorter than the original and the campaign didnt sound all that exciting. #modernwarfare2
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So there you go. #modernwarfare2
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I picked it up, I love it so far, and for me, that's all that matters. Why people seem to care so much about other people's opinions is beyond me. #modernwarfare2
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Expect another noob out there if I do pick this game up for the PS3.
PS - the GTA4 remarks are my personal opinion. I was extremely disappointed. No rage plz
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Plus you gotta take into account the games technical innovations. They've since been recycled to the point where they're not nearly as impressive as they were when the game was first released, but it pioneered the use of a bunch of engines that would later be used in a ton of games; most notable probably being the Euphoria engine. #modernwarfare2
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If R* made more of the same, you'd complain there was no innovation.
R* made something new and intense and everyone gripes that it's not GTA:SA...
Grass is always greener... #modernwarfare2
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GTA4s technical achievements are all well and good, but they should be there to serve and enhance the game, having the Euphoria engine in there does no good if along the way you remove everything about the games that made them fun in the first place. #modernwarfare2
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GTA3 was new and intense and still holds up well. Vice City and SA took that approach and steadily built on it, again earning buckets of praise in the process. #modernwarfare2
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And there was more than enough use of the technology in the game to make it fun; like the missions you had to do drunk, or the one where you were hanging off of that van. #modernwarfare2
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So...just because they had aliens in San Anreas....that doesn't count...because the two earlier games didn't have them? Therefore, if a GTA "Clone" has them...they aren't like GTA because well...GTA 3 and VC didn't have them...and GTA 4 was more realistic than GTA 3 and VC...so it's more like GTA...and
Yea...that's what I got out of your post. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
Some day I'll get to put some time in with GTA4 and I'll know what everyone is talking about.
Some day... #modernwarfare2
11/12/09
GTA4 was boring. #modernwarfare2
11/12/09
I'd have to agree...at least with the first part.
I wouldn't say GTAIV was boring per se, but I would say it was a bit more serious than their other games. Didn't really like that. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
It's good because everyone is playing it? [Insert friend jump off a bridge would you too parent story here]
I've avoided commenting on this game so far, as I was not sure if what I had to say had not already been said. From everything I've read, heard my friends talk about, and witnessed myself. This is a downgrade from CoD4. The story may continue, but many have already said that it's not groundbreaking. The multi-player mechanics are very weak, especially on PC. There are good things in new modes, but it's not enough to ignore the glaring faults. #modernwarfare2
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You may not care for it, and that's fine, but relegating everyone that disagrees with you to being mindless sheep is just ridiculous.
The fact is, people play good games that appeal to them. This is clearly one of those. People don't play games that completely suck or don't appeal to them (and there is a HUUUUGE difference between "appeal" and "quality").
Face it, there are millions and millions of people who really enjoy playing CoD games, just like there are millions that enjoy Madden, and millions that enjoy Final Fantasy.
Get over the ridiculous butthurt. #modernwarfare2
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No lean. 9v9. improvement ? #modernwarfare2
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When I said 'everything i've read' it was referring to the reviews I have read so far. Most of them are 'more of the same but refined', 90+ scores. A recent example of the same thing is Dragon Age. If you look at the meta score it's very high for most sites, many giving it a 'perfect score'. The game is far from perfect, but it is still good. It crashes, has bugs and there is a series 'have I heard this story before?' vibe. Only one site gave it (if memory serves) a 75, which seemed more fair to me.
I quoted that Kotaku sentence as it struck me as very odd.
I do like CoD games, I have played and own all of them except CoD3. This is the 6th iteration of the series, and they have changed the way the game is played, how you get to play with others, and what changes you can make to something for all intensive purposes you own. I don't agree with the changes personally, mostly because my main gaming platform is PC. That's why I did not buy it.
You could certainly say I'm disappointed with the game, and I do feel that more gamers should speak with their wallets when they don't like the direction of a game, instead of buying it anyways and hoping the developer will either change their minds or 'patch it later'. Others (a LOT of others) don't mind the changes, or like them better. 13 million of them, to use your number. #modernwarfare2
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All kidding aside, I don't think the reviews matter that much anymore. It would be interesting to have the statistics of who already owns the product they are reading the review for. I do that, and I imagine others do as well. I guess it's to validate my own impulse purchase, to see if others agree with my own thoughts. #modernwarfare2
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I have no problem with you disliking the game, or aspects of it. I just take exception to comments like this:
"It's good because everyone is playing it? [Insert friend jump off a bridge would you too parent story here]"
That makes the implication that all the people playing are mindless sheep that only suffer the game due to marketing.
I think the point of the Kotaku quote is just that no reviewer can argue with the sheer numbers of players who will stick with the game and play it for several *years*. That doesn't mean the game is a paragon of quality, but it does mean that it is one of the most enjoyable and entertaining games out there for a LOT of people.
Which again, doesn't mean you or me specifically, but just that you can't discount the popularity and write the experience off. #modernwarfare2
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The lean thing is a big change in the way it's played for me. My soldier in CoD4 probably has a neck sprain from all the time he is looking around corners. I also felt that the balance of the kill-streak bonus' was a bit off, but I don't have enough playtime to say for certain, since as I said I don't personally own it. The player count doesn't bother me, really. I'm more of a competition player and that's always a smaller amount of people. It did annoy me however that IW made the comment that we should play it the way they set it and balanced it, which I read at [arstechnica.com]
Maybe that kind of comment should not bother me, but it does, and I can't help that. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
However if the point of a review is to advise the consumer on what they should buy (and enjoy) than movie and music critics are doing a terrible job and games critics are pretty much on point. Meaning movies like Transformers 2 and 300 should have had a high rating. This has some interesting implications. For example this means that pretty much anyone with half a brain can be a great critic (it's really not very hard to tell which audience will enjoy what, or which game/movie/music will hit it big with the masses). #modernwarfare2
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However, arguing that other people who like popcorn flicks and auto-tune are *wrong* is just stupid. All of that stuff obviously holds *appeal* to them, so they buy it.
You can't just dismiss things because they don't appeal to you, and so you find them to be shit. I'm sure those 13 million people could all find things that you love and hold in high esteem and think they are pure crap as well. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
To be honest gamers do follow the herd mentality. This is not a bad thing at all as it keeps gamers buying new games and driving the industry forward.
@Kualtek: "It's good because everyone is playing it?"
Yes, actually that's how it is. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
It deserves no more than an 8/10. A very solid and decent game that brings little new to the table.
MW1 brought something new to the table, I will give it that.
This, does not. It's borderline rehash. #modernwarfare2
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1) Same old Engine (That activision will milk till the end of 7th generation)
2) Cheap Physics
3) Cheap Graphics
4) No dedicated serers for PC gamers and everybody just AVOID this statement in reviews as far as i know
5) Crappy 3rd person mode
6) Short Campaign
7) Crap campaign story about bad russians and e.t.c.
8) No vehicles for this type of game, but it sounds like MODERN WARFARE
I think MW1 didn't brought something new either, the only badass level was there, Pripyat level, Thats it!
I agree with you. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09
As much as I hated IW's decisions with this installment, the game is still pretty damn good . 8/10 to me sounds pretty deserved and spot-on.
Unfortunately, the hype machine keeps on rolling, and what is good seems orgasmic when you've been anticipating it for 2 damn years. #modernwarfare2
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if you think it brought something new give me a example #modernwarfare2
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Again, It's not a bad game, but I don't see it deserving a score this high.
Neither do Resistance 2 or Killzone 2 by the way. Yeah, a game can be great and awesome, but it doesn't need to be classed as something extraordinary just because it does things very well.
I think this is a problem with the review system. Games rated "8" are considered by many to be average. This is so horribly wrong. Average is a "5". An "8" is a really really good game that does not innovate beyond current standards. A "9" is for a game that truly excels in some areas, e.g. Gears of War when it came out, or LBP, or Uncharted 2.
A "10" should only be given to a game that breaks new grounds like Half-Life did back in the day. #modernwarfare2
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Exactly. And this game is good. Very good. An 8 is a very good game. A 7 is a decent game. 9 is outstanding like MW1 or HL1 or LBP. #modernwarfare2
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People LIKE rehash. They LIKE sequels where they get to play more of the type of game they loved.
WTF is wrong with that?
(oh, and by the way, there was this game called Half-Life 2 which was just more of the same... which is to say more awesomeness, which is to say more people enjoyed it....) #modernwarfare2
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The graphics, the complex multiplayer but most of all the massive killzone.com integration. Nothing new to Xbox gamers, but a huge step forward for the PS3.
But otherwise, I agree with the point and it is a point of contention I have with modern review scores. When was the last game you bought that scored a 60%? a 70%? Shouldn't those still be top tier games? #modernwarfare2
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Case in point with MW2: This game shouldn't be scoring higher than 9 by any means and an 8 or 8.5 is fully accurate if you ask me. #modernwarfare2
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The problem with new IPs is that they often have lots of little kinks that need to be ironed out.
The first Call of Duty didn't have the ability to go prone. In Call of Duty 2, you couldn't run... etc etc
The more iterations there are, generally the more polish and maturity in the game system you get (assuming the bathwater wasn't thrown out at any point).
I'm not saying Sequal 10 is *always* better, but it generally is. Madden 10 sure is better in most ways than Madden 1.
Innovative is a *completely* different aspect from "good". #modernwarfare2
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Bottomline: If it's fun to play, it gets praised.
If the reviewers don't have that mindset, they'll be just like some movie critics.
No movie is better than Citizen Kane, or whatever. You know, THOSE types of critics.
If you think too much that way, you'll end up finding out that ALL games today can be considered a "rehash" of some older game.
And if that's enough for you to dismiss the fun factor of a game, you better just quit looking at new games, period.
First try it, then you can say whatever you thought about it... this will make your life better, seriously. #modernwarfare2
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Killzone.com integration was nice. #modernwarfare2
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Don't get me wrong Infinity Ward is an amazing developer, and masters of their craft, they are just slow to listen to its fans sometimes methinks. #modernwarfare2
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You know, to be a real film critic requires a lot of education and experience. You basically need to learn everything about how to make a film, and you need to know the entire history of the medium. I always laugh when people criticize film critics by saying they only wish they could make films themselves - they can! The entire French New Wave was a bunch of film critics who set out to prove that, and did. And these days, even Hollywood movies owe much of their style to that movement - a movement started by film critics.
The skepticism that most film critics have when it comes to crappy Hollywood movies comes from that wealth of experience and knowledge. There are a lot of "fun" movies out there. What's the point of a new "fun" film that duplicates the same stuff a previous one did, only does it worse? Just go watch the original one. It would actually be pretty refreshing if game reviewers had that same sort of perspective.
btw, that skepticism makes true critics pretty much immune to hype too, which as we've seen here, tends to take on a life of its own if left in less skeptical hands. #modernwarfare2
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I still haven't really seen anything that really makes me want to get this game. It is a good game that could have been even better. I think it is a pretty big strech to call this game the best of all time, or even game of the year.
I have doubts that the multiplayer is going to be strong after a couple of months, on the PS3 and PC versions at least. I think the smaller multiplayer matches and no ability to customize multiplayer settings beyond the defaults will get old quick.
I think the system relies too much on the unlocks/perks to keep people interested, rather than the experiance itself. #modernwarfare2
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Metacritic shows the lowest score for the game at an 80, and then it jumps up to 89 and up after that, so I'd say this is a fairly decent representation of the scores it's getting.
Personally, the unlocks and perks are the experience for me. Just killing shit and earning a score for the round gets old real quick. With perks and unlocks, you actually get a sense of some sort of progression; and with the prestige system the gameplay just seems to go on and on. I'd probably play a lot more multiplayer games if they all incorporated these sorts of features; but for now CoD's implementation of it is what makes the game my favourite for MP and will probably keep me coming back to it for months. #modernwarfare2
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If they rolled out the 9/10, then it must be pretty polished all the way around.
Multiplayer for this on the 360 will last for the 3 years at least, and probably 4, just like the past iterations. CoD4 is still getting huge numbers every night of the week, even two years gone and a new game released in between. #modernwarfare2
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It is also what led to 32 player servers with long matches, and playing Shipment all the time to grind xp.
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Is the net code really as bad as people were saying in the comments on the Kotaku review? How bad is it when the host drops and the game tries to find a new one? #modernwarfare2
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At least it shifts things to a new host now instead of just ending the game when someone gets a bit butthurt :/
I did have similar problems to CoD4 when my friend and I tried to invite each other to parties (PS3 version). My internet hiccuped at one point and I got dc'd, which was fine, but when we tried to party up again it was all fubared. After I logged back onto PSN my friend wasn't even in my PSN friends list...he showed back up shortly after, but it wouldn't let us invite each other. Then we got back in a party after a bit, and he dc'd as soon as we got in a game (not sure if his internet cut out or what). We tried numerous things after that but could NOT get invites to go through, it always asked like the other wasn't online, even if we could see each other as online in our friends list.
I chalked it up as possibly being due to the high spike in traffic after midnight last night, but we'll see in the coming days how things hold up. At least PSN is much more accommodating now than it was when CoD4 released...back then you couldn't even use XMB in game and it was a complete bitch to communicate when having invite troubles. I wish they had a party system that meshes with CoD like 360 does, but at least it's a bit easier to manage now #modernwarfare2
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I'll have to give it a go on my 360 when some rentals come in. #modernwarfare2
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You mean, "the bullshots"? #modernwarfare2
10/30/09
Did it happen or did Jin win the whole tournament again with his Devil form?
I'd buy it myself, but I have no monies T__T (wiki's no help either) #tekken6
10/30/09
Devil Jin then open can of whop ass on Hwrang and was about to kill him.
Then Gon jumped in and farted so the two fighters were stunned and confused. Gon in the mist of confusion threw them in the air and ate them both.
The end
Oh yea forgot to mention that Panda still rejected Kuma. Not because Panda hates Kuma, it's just that Panda found out she was a lesbian.
Hitatchi finally build up enough stress where he got a hernia but no one noticed since he wears a diaper anyways.
Just rent the game if you don't have enough to buy it. I'm running out of ideas what happened, plus it's hard typing when your past the buzzing stage after drinking. #tekken6
10/30/09
Also your grammar is impeccable for someone who's supposedly drunk. Its LIKE YOU'RE NOT DRUNK AT ALL.
@Goldwings: Part of what Neko said was true, Hwang was about to defeat him Jin but Jin went all Devil and almost killed Hwang, he almost died but he his master saved him, Hwang woke up from a coma after 3 days and begged his master to train him as hard as possible, Baek took him in as a pupil again and gave him his toughest training regimen.
Hwang is now back and hopefully can bring Jin down once for all. #tekken6
10/31/09
I guess I have one less ending to go through since with the spoiler (it's all good). I can't wait to pick up my limited edition bundle next Wednesday. #tekken6
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