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    Image of Benguin Benguin
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    I didn't realize the Tony Hawk franchise still had dignity.
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    Image of (Starman) Starman (Starman) Starman
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    Man, I went to Best Buy this weekend and saw a HUGE stack of these still laying around there. The casing was pretty uninspiring as well, looking like some kind of cheap toy.

    Tough. That sucks for the devs who made this.
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    Image of (Human) Gyaruson (Human) Gyaruson
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    "It's a definite step backwards for the series, but the board probably won't register that step anyway."

    Can I nominate an editor for Comment of the Week? :)
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    Image of zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ
    11/30/09

    @(Human) Gyaruson: lets make history baby. lets nominate and see where the chips fall.
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    Image of Orionsaint Orionsaint
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    A message to all developers of extreme sports games. For the love of God, stop making those annoying and confusing graffiti menus! It's not cool!

    No skateboard is looking at that menu and thinking. Wow, that looks just like Skateboard culture, oooh! SSX On Tour is a prime example of having one of the worst menus in game history!
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    Image of Orionsaint Orionsaint
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    So Nintendo gets motion control right with a few games. They end up #1. So the rest of the industry wants a piece of the motion control pie.

    The only way motion control could take over the entire industry, is if motion control is perfected 100% and it's not!

    The other way is to have the process happen gradually, by giving players the options to use regular controllers.

    Tony Hawk Ride, did neither of these. All those videos. Where they showed us how accurately the game played. It was all just one big ruse.
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    Image of Handsome Al Handsome Al
    11/30/09

    @Orionsaint: This. I'll get on the motion control bandwagon when it's perfect and can still be played 5-10 years later. Until then, I'm happy playing games while laying back on my recliner.

    I'm thankful that most PS3 games have the option to disable SixAxis controls.
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    Image of cin1122 cin1122
    11/30/09

    @Orionsaint: Every time I see ruse, I remember what Dante said in Clerks, "I don't appreciate your ruse ma'am"
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    Image of RaginKaGin21 RaginKaGin21
    11/30/09

    @Orionsaint: I think you're wrong in saying that only Nintendo did motion controllers right. I would point to Guitar Hero which came out on the PS2 before the Wii was released(by about 2 years actually). That is the reason ACTIVISION has gone for these huge clunky plastic controllers, but since they forced Robomodo into a short development cycle with a very limited amount of time to develop for a game with a peripheral it hindered development.

    Also I'm fairly certain ACTIVISION didn't have RedOctane make the board hence the lack of functionality of the board controllers in relation to Guitar Hero controllers.

    This is an ACTIVISION rides any good idea to death in as many ways as possible thing...not a Nintendo and their control scheme are ruining the industry thing.(not that I disagree with that)
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    Image of Koztah Koztah
    11/30/09

    @Handsome Al: Sixaxis controls can be done right - some games make good use of it when and only when appropriate (MGS4 comes to mind).

    I can even think of one game where using it as the primary control scheme makes the game better (L...er..Flower)
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    Image of Orionsaint Orionsaint
    11/30/09

    @RaginKaGin21: How is Guitar Hero Motion control? You're pressing buttons. Except the buttons aren't on a plastic controller. They're on a plastic guitar.
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    Image of Orionsaint Orionsaint
    11/30/09

    @cin1122: Yeah that's a funny scene, hehe.

    "I don't appreciate your ruse ma'am. Your cunning attempt to trick me."
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    Edited by Orionsaint at 11/30/09 5:12 PM Orionsaint was starred Orionsaint was unstarred
    Image of bangbangblah bangbangblah
    11/30/09

    @Orionsaint: Starpower . . . it's always been motion controlled. Before the Wii was even a phrase.

    I'm going to agree with ReginKa here. This is much more of banking off of Activision's previous success on Guitar Hero than banking off the Wii. It's no coincidence that GH was also made by Activision.
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    Image of RaginKaGin21 RaginKaGin21
    12:22 AM

    @Orionsaint: there is motion control...star power is activated with it. Granted it's very limited in use, but it is motion control. So I'll give you that it's not really motion control in the sense that the Wii is. I made a mistake in comparing them possibly.

    Then again if I made a mistake there it will definitely be a mistake to compare the Wii to Natal(if it works the way it's supposed to)...
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    Image of RockyRan RockyRan
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    It's crap like this that gives motion controls a bad name. People unfamiliar with good motion sensing are going to be more discouraged by this junk and everybody's going to think all motion sensing will be inherently inaccurate and bad in all circumstances.

    There have been just a few glimmers of great motion sensing scenarios in gaming these days, so you CAN actually see great potential. It's just overshadowed by worthless software and it makes the possibility of a major game with great motion controls as its primary method of input seem at 0.

    Motion sensing is fundamentally revolutionary. It can provide a completely unprecedented degree of precision that no amount of buttons and joysticks can recreate. It can create intuitive, graceful and simple motions that are not only far more complex than what a standard controller can communicate, but also does it requiring a lot less buttons or none at all.

    The problem here is crap like this. This is unrealized technology here to some degree, and it's a lot easier to make something like Tony Hawk: Ride than it is to make something like what I've mentioned above. 90% of core gamers really don't believe in motion sensing at all, and it's shovelware like this that makes it obvious why they don't believe it. I still believe in motion sensing as being the next great step in gaming and will always do until something truly revolutionary comes along that proves everyone wrong, but until that happens I'll just sit here becoming increasingly frustrated at the complete and utter trash that gets released like this here game.
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    Edited by RockyRan at 11/30/09 4:26 PM RockyRan was starred RockyRan was unstarred
    Image of Psudonym Psudonym
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    You know what I've learned from Motion Controls so far... I like buttons. I really like buttons. And analog sticks. And pressure sensitivity. And things that make little clicks. And Home buttons. And power buttons. Remote controls. Type writers. Switches. Levers. Stamps. And Gutenberg style printing presses.

    I've been a proponent of new fangled technology for a long time, and I still most definitely am. Hell, I'm still telling anyone in earshot to take every chance you can to see animated movies in 3d. And I can't wait to see it implemented properly in the home.

    But sometimes, a button is just the best way to control something. I mean, would a big red nuclear missile launch button be nearly as cool if it was replaced with a wave of the hand? Wait... wait... don't answer that. I'm picturing it in my mind right now... and it's kinda awesome.
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    Image of DukeOfPwn DukeOfPwn
    11/30/09

    @Psudonym: Waving your hand would certainly be cool, but would make it all too easy for mistakes. What if all the guy had to do in WarGames was wave his hand with the partner? When he would refuse, the partner would insist "WAVE YOUR HAND, SIR!" but would eventually wave both hands, and the world would be screwed.
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    Image of Psudonym Psudonym
    11/30/09

    @DukeOfPwn: As humorous as the ensuing nuclear holocaust would be, it just points directly at the heart of the matter. Good controls need to have zero tolerance for misread signals.
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    Image of ryoshi ryoshi
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    Great review! I've already decided against this game, but I admit I"m curious what the "hardcore skater" crowd thinks of it over the "hardcore gamers".
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    Image of e-friend cuts you e-friend cuts you
    11/30/09

    @ryoshi: If you actually knew how to skate, you wouldn't care about some bad Wii game. That would be my bet.
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    Image of sunpop sunpop
    11/30/09

    @ryoshi: Probably the same things real musicians think about rock band.
    1. Why did I go through the effort of learning this if I can make just as much if not more money from making a fake version.
    2.How can I cash in on this.
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    Image of ClaudioIphigenia ClaudioIphigenia
    11/30/09

    @e-friend cuts you: It's actually a bad multi-console game.
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    Image of ryoshi ryoshi
    11/30/09

    @sunpop: I don't think all (or even most) musicians think that about Rock Band, just the ones you happen to hear about on here. I've been playing piano for fifteen years and guitar for five and I love both Rock Band and Guitar Hero (and recently, DJ Hero).
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    11/30/09

    @e-friend cuts you: There's a huge difference between "knows how to skate" and "can pull off tricks like they do in skating games". I'm looking for people who enjoy the former and aren't paid giant sponsorships to do the latter.

    Or do you think that skaters don't play videogames? Do people on the high-school football team never play Madden?
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    Image of excel_excel excel_excel
    11/30/09

    @e-friend cuts you: Its a multi console release
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    Image of e-friend cuts you e-friend cuts you
    11/30/09

    @ryoshi: Do people on football teams play Backyard Football? I feel like skate kids would go towards something like Skate (Or to a lesser degree, the good THPS games) instead.

    @Claudiolphigenia: I knew that, my mistake.
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    Edited by e-friend cuts you at 11/30/09 3:33 PM e-friend cuts you was starred e-friend cuts you was unstarred
    Image of Sustenance Sustenance
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    By all accounts (i.e. nearly every published review) this game deserves to bail, and hard. Still, I can't help but feel bad for Robomodo. This was an enormously ambitious project (too ambitious, probably) and it's going to fall all the harder for it.

    Is it too soon to request a post-mortem? Probably more fun to read than the game is to play.

    Can't help but wonder if this piece of hardware might actually "work" with better software, or if the sensors are to blame for the unresponsive controls.
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    Edited by Sustenance at 11/30/09 2:52 PM Sustenance was starred Sustenance was unstarred
    Image of Shinta Shinta
    11/30/09

    @Sustenance: I could make a pitch for a boxing game where you wear a helmet and a machine punches you in the head every time you get hit in the game.

    Ambitious? Yes. Good idea? No.
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    SuperSonik promoted this comment Edited by Shinta at 11/30/09 2:56 PM Shinta was starred Shinta was unstarred
    Image of Sl0th Sl0th
    11/30/09

    @Sustenance: As usual, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

    It was probably pretty daunting to get the sensors and the software to fully agree yet allow for natural human movement.

    Riding a real skateboard is something of feat of balance and trying to emulate that is bound to be rife with difficulty.

    Ah well, live and learn I guess.
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    Image of Dr Durdon Dr Durdon
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    I'll put this review in my time capsule entitled "I Told Ya Motion Games Suck," and I'll bring it out again when the rest of the genre fails to compare to sitting on my ass and using a controller.

    Are there decent motion-controlled games? Of course. They should be in a separate genre, or perhaps a completely separate console. Yes it would be vastly expensive, but if people put down money to buy Motion Controlled Console, they would likely be interested in spending money on the games and peripherals required to play them.

    I can't blame them for trying, and unfortunately it sounds like so much is wrong on this first try. I'm sure someone will eventually get it right, or at least market it correctly, much like the Wii.
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    Image of Kuwabara Kazuo Kuwabara Kazuo
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    Too many reds telling me NOTHXBAI!
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    Image of TheOmnitron TheOmnitron
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    $120 US? Thank you, no. Maybe Skate 3? At least it will be half the price...
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    Image of vid3oman64 vid3oman64
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    Right now, I did not read this review. Reading it will tell me that the peripheral sucks and the game blows. I already know this. I knew this was terrible idea from the day it was announced. Unfortunately, all the stupid little middle-school boarderzzz will buy this game in droves and Activision will make sequels and spin offs and no one will be the wiser.

    God this industry sucks sometimes.
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    Image of excel_excel excel_excel
    11/30/09

    @vid3oman64: Actually Ride's done pretty bad hasn't it?
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    Image of vid3oman64 vid3oman64
    11/30/09

    @excel_excel: don't you get my hopes up you
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    Image of Ben Nadler Ben Nadler
    11/30/09

    @vid3oman64: I don't think those kids can really afford a game that's $120.

    I'm betting this fails. People will spend that much on Guitar Hero, because Guitar Hero is cool. But this is just positively lame, and there's been barely any press on it, so they basically fucked themselves. No worries, though.
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    Image of Co0ki3Mon2t3r Co0ki3Mon2t3r
    11/30/09

    @Ben Nadler: Your right they can't. But that's why they have parents. When I was in middle school I couldn't afford 90% of the stuff I owned, at that age you usually don't. So none the less they'll eventually get their parents to buy it for them.
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    Image of Ben Nadler Ben Nadler
    11/30/09

    @Co0ki3Mon2t3r: I dunno, my parents refused to buy me anything entertainment related unless it was Christmas. And they'd never buy me anything as expensive as a console. I had to buy all my shit myself, and work at a crappy movie theater to do so, so I can't relate.

    My brother hangs out with the skater crowd, and they play a lot of video games, and when I asked them about Ride none of them knew what it was, except for one kid, who said he wasn't getting it.

    I love the old Tony Hawk games, but I think having a motion device for it is just a horrible idea, and its made it too expensive. You think in this economic climate people are gonna drop $120 on a game for the holidays? For most kids, that's the choice between one "big" game or two "normal" games. For the same price that kid could get Modern Warfare 2 and Assassin's Creed 2, the two biggest sellers of this season so far.

    I'm just saying, you really think this is gonna sell like hotcakes? Are YOU gonna buy?
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    Image of Co0ki3Mon2t3r Co0ki3Mon2t3r
    11/30/09

    @Ben Nadler: No I'm not saying this will sell like hot cakes but I think the idea of it alone will make it sell. Kids will like the concept and get their parents to purchase it for them whether they know its a crappy game or not. I think with games like these reviews don't really matter because in the end parents are the ones purchasing the game for their kids.

    I believe game reviews really come into play when the consumer is buying the game for themselves. Because they want to know what they are getting is a solid game that wasn't a waste of their hard earned cash. IMO.
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    Image of Archaotic Archaotic
    11/30/09

    In reply to Tony Hawk: Ride Review: Time To Bail
    Sounds about in line with everything I've heard everywhere else, yep. Giant Bomb's Quick Look of the game doomed it for me; as soon as I saw how unresponsive it was, I knew the game was doomed.
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    11/30/09

    @Archaotic: It looked like a poorly though out extreme version of the wii balance board.
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    Image of play_eminence play_eminence
    11/30/09

    @Taggart6: Is it at least playable with the balance board? If not then it was dumb to NOT include the support. Maybe it would control better this way and be more than just a crappy attempt at making cash with a useless peripheral...
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    11/30/09

    @play_eminence: Dunno, but I think the game is only sold with the board so maybe its a must?
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    Image of Random J Random J
    11/27/09

    In reply to Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles Review: Three's A Welcome Trend
    I enjoyed Umbrella chronicles much more than I thought I would. Although the bosses did my head in. I won't front: they handed me arse to me many a time!

    I harbour a deep amount of love for Resident evil 2 (giant alligator attack and all ;P), but I'm not feeling the same desire to get the Darkside chronicles as I did the first game. Probably because I know it's just going to be more of the same, and I want more than that.

    It's a real shame Capcom STILL haven't included online play. That would have been something that might have swayed me more into getting this game. Because frankly, when my friends and I get together - we don't really tend to sit and play games. And on the occasions we do, we stick on a beat 'em up.

    It'll be interesting to see how Capcom handle the Code: Veronica scenario's. Given Claire and Steve were rarely ever together in the game, and the only hint of the two of them having 'something' was when [SPOILER!!!!!] Steve died.
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