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11/09/09
Makes me want to kill someone. Every single other game I've ever bought on Steam has had the same release as the physical copy. I didn't notice until after I finished pre-loading tonight and someone brought it up in another thread.
And what, exactly, does this have to do with "avoiding the rush" when you can pre-load the damn game beforehand?
I'd like to see Valve's response as to why I can't play this game tomorrow. This incident will single-handedly re-shape if and when I buy games on Steam. Believe it. #modernwarfare2
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I've been flamed about this so many fucking times and I'm sick of it.
1) I don't like CoD multiplayer.
2) This is a GOTY candidate. I'm fucking playing it.
3) Should I get it on my PS3 or 360 instead and not get the higher resolution and better graphics on my rig and still pay $60?
Look, I'm not crazy about the decisions IW has made about the PC release, but there's no way in hell I'm not getting this game. I don't give a damn if people on this site are so fucking indignant about the PC release but seem to have no problem with people getting it on the consoles. It's the same company. #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
Do they show a "playable" date before you are forced to pay for it?
I've never used Steam before but I can't really see the problem or understand why this is just now being brought up unless the play date is never shown before you buy the game or they changed the date you could play after you purchased it showing a play date of 11/10/09. #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
Ominous
Also Valve don't set release dates. This is most likely, as with most delayed PC, especially DD releases, to do with them wanting folks to buy it from a store. or buy the console version.
They also potentially don't want everyone jumping onto IWnet in one go.
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It's a 4 hour long game. #modernwarfare2
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The issue for me is that nationally the release date for the PC version is 11/10/09, so I didn't even think to check when I prepurchased / preloaded it on Steam. The fact that this article didn't appear until like 10 minutes before the East Coast midnight launch kind of lets you know people are suprised to have noticed the delayed released.
Like I've said, every other game I've ever bought on Steam has the same release date (and I've bought literally 36 games on Steam, though not all on launch day, admittedly). #modernwarfare2
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Well, I've already spent $60 on the damn thing, and second I want the higher-resolution and better graphics on my PC. (And, yes, it's hooked up to my HDTV via HDMI.) #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
I'm pretty sure it didn't say until today, or I probably would've noticed when I was looking at the game in the Steam store. I could be wrong, but it was pretty shocking to see it tonight. #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
Bet they'll be even more surprised to realise they can't see the colour green or big huge inch think thick borders that say "Available: 12 November 2009" #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
Because it sounds to me like you're getting it because you like the singleplayer, and it's a AAA title.
Both of which are really good reasons to wait and see. #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
I preordered it so I could preload it so I wouldn't have to deal with trying to get a copy at a store or wait in line. Why did millions of people fucking preorder it from stores across the country? Similar reasoning.
Gaming is my favorite hobby. I buy games literally every week or two. I play wait-and-see with games that I'm not sure I'll want, not huge releases. MW1 was full price until like a week ago. I'm not waiting two years until the graphics start to look old and the next title in the series is released to buy the damn game.
Why am I spending an inordinate amount of time defending myself for buying a fucking game that thousands of poeple are at midnight launches for right now? You'd think I was the only person to order it on Steam or own a PC. #modernwarfare2
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Thank god someone else feels my pain. Everyone in this thread is either:
a) Pissed that someone in the universe wanted to get the game on PC
b) Entirely unsympathetic to a completely non-standard release policy for a Steam game #modernwarfare2
11/09/09
Fuck you Activision! #modernwarfare2
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I posted a link, but i think i was wrong.
WHAT forums, there are many dedicated to MW2.
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But seriously who uses those other online retailers? #modernwarfare2
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A trojan horse as in something you download unknowingly that provides a service you didn't intend to receive.
In this case, it's as much of a trojan horse as three strippers popping out of a multi-tier birthday cake, but those strippers are direct competition to D2D's services, so they don't want to deliver the cake.
...so to speak. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Get some savvy, people! #modernwarfare2
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11/06/09
Luke, you're being foolishly optimistic when you say "While the worst of it seems to be behind us, 2009 will still be remembered as the year of the global economic crisis."
When metal prices shoot up to hedge against the mass printing of monetary units, and part of that metal inflation occurs from counties, like India and China to buy more gold from the IMF than invest in the American Dollar, it shows itself to be just the start of things to come.
Some here might argue that it's just an American thing. Well, it's not, and the "ripple effect" has once again reached other countries and continents as a result of this. With such a radical change within the economical structure, we are starting to see something that might take decades for other countries to recover on, all the while other countries take on the role of hegemony. It's happened a few times in the last 100 years. It is actually happening again, only the United States is feeling it for it's second time in it's rather infantile history. If we are lucky, it will take the United States two to three decades to pay off everything, provided we don't go to war with China and india in the mid 2020s in attempt to nullify debts.
While others are bickering about healthcare, they completely undermined looking at the more important issue, which is the self and co-investing of their futures. By that, I mean retirement, and the roughly three fourths of people that are bound to be destitute, forced to work till they literally die, and even worse. It is really here, along with the systemic problems within the cronyism of U.S. Government where the people of the United States and our political representatives have unilaterally managed to destroy what leverage we actually had.
So, from the macro perspective, no, Luke. What might seem like a recovery is actually a ruse. The problem however is that not nearly enough Americans actually take the time to see that far down the future.
Then again, there are also some of us that are fully aware of such occurances, and are investing our future gains on the shifting trend.
If the inflation increases much higher (as I expect it will), then you can expect worse game sales in North America for 2010. #retail
11/06/09
I say "was" because I have no idea what the service is like anymore. After 2 ridiculously painful purchasing experiences on D2D, I decided I was only using Steam and never looking back. I have not been disappointed with that decision.
I'm all for competition, but you have to be actually competitive. D2D isn't competitive, it's a piece of crap.
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Yes, it gives them the advantage, I won't deny that. Valve has an extremely aggressive strategy when it comes to their services.
However, they also happen to have the superior product, so until D2D and Stardock actually make a competitive product, I find their whining to be exactly that.
I was introduced to Steam through HL2, but I actually tried D2D and Stardock as a download service before I went back to Steam to give them a try. I may not be the average consumer, but if D2D had features and services that were superior to Steam, people would be less inclined to switch to Steam after buying it from D2D.
Whining that your main competitor is being both competitive and aggressive is pathetic. Make a better service, and be more aggressive in your strategies, because if D2D or Stardock fail, it's not because big bad Steam killed them, it's because they didn't dedicate the time, effort, or money into creating a better value for their customers than Steam provided.
11/06/09
The thing here is that you're making this big ad-hominem type argument against D2D. That's not what the issue should be about. Switch things around: hypothetically, what if D2D was the service you actually preferred but you had to put up with a buggy Steam service because Valve has enough clout to demand their service be included? Does that really sound like an acceptable situation to you? #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
However, you're exaggerating and oversimplifying the reality of your hypothetical world in which D2D was a service good enough for me to value, and in this same world Valve has the ability to "DEMAND" that IW/ATVI use them instead (lol). Reality is a combination of factors, not a simple 1 sentence hypothetical.
But I'll explore this concept for the sake of this conversation. If D2D had the foresight and strategic intelligence to expand their platform into a full service that included DRM authentication, coupled with a service that allowed me to quickly and easily download all of my purchased games onto any computer I owned with minimal hassle, along with an aggressive campaign to sign publishers this way, then they would actually be a much more competitive product.
If they were this good of a product, their exposure would be better, such that Infinity Ward / Activision wanted to partner with them instead of Steam, then no, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
You see, Valve didn't "demand" anything, as you imply. IW/ATVI chose to use Steam, because it has a much larger install base, which is representative of a better product. If D2D were competitive, and had a better product and larger install base, then IW/ATVI most likely wouldn't have used Steam for their DRM so they could publish through D2D and other competitive products.
But returning to reality, D2D isn't competitive, and IW/ATVI obviously doesn't care that D2D isn't carrying their game, because D2D's service and install base aren't worth it: the value they receive from Steam's services are greater than the potential sales lost from D2D and Stardock. This is a very basic cost/benefit analysis.
Remember, competition is not just about being competitive among consumers, but among publishers whose goods you are distributing. If a publisher doesn't find real value in a relationship with a distributor because their service is limited, then publishers like ATVI will ignore them.
D2D has every right within their business strategy to deny selling a game that they deem damaging to their service, but the reality is that if D2D's service was actually of value to begin with, IW/ATVI would have had to keep it in mind and made strategic decisions that included them, thus distancing themselves from Steam.
But ultimately, that's not reality. Steam was deemed the more competitive service by the majority of consumers, and thus by IW/ATVI. The combined value of D2D + Stardock + Gamersgate +All the Other Digital Download Services was considered so marginal by IW/ATVI that they ignored them and went full Steam ahead (horrible pun intended).
As such, you can't really argue that D2D, Stardock, or Gamersgate deserve anything until they produce a more competitive product.
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(if you use '60eur in usd' and swap out the currencies you want converting in Google it'll do a currency conversion for you, cool little easter egg) #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
They know they have a monopoly in the online retail market for this game. This is mostly due to the other retailers bowing out of selling it. Which to a certain degree, is understandable.
If I was gonna buy this game, which is looking less and less likely as time goes by, I would be buying it in my local retailer. Which I'm sure many Europeans will be doing. #modernwarfare2
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Valve doesn't determine prices of non-valve games. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Brick and mortar stores wont allow publishers to put games cheaper for download than in the stores. They threaten to not sell games at (EB, Walmart, etc) if games are cheaper on Steam, D2D, etc. #modernwarfare2
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Valve get to set prices, and as pointed out, the bad pricing is on practically ALL games sold in Euros on Steam.
So it's not a IW only thing. Though they do have the price set high anyway. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Some companies price the EU version fairly, and most do not. It's just the way it is. #modernwarfare2
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(also currently one of the highest grossing games of all time is WoW...on PC, or possibly Sims...on PC)
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Valve is of course not a trojan though, it's a great service and I highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't tried it.
That said I really don't care what IW does at this point as I gave up buying the game weeks ago. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Yeah, there seems to be a fair few folk in this article think he's calling Valve the Virus/malware type. #modernwarfare2
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It's something hidden in something. The analogy makes perfect sense.
If I am misunderstanding your gripe, and it's with the way he implied that Steamworks is a virus, I think he was simply adding a pinch of hyperbole (also Greek).