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    For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas

    Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute

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    Image of belgoran belgoran
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    Hmm. As I recall, the Wii was almost impossible to find when it launched. I'd have guessed it sold less due to lack of supply. Maybe the entire list is based on assumptions ;). #christmas
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    Image of NinjaMarion NinjaMarion
    11/04/09

    @belgoran: Yes, but less than a crapload can still be quite a lot. Just because they didn't sell as many as they could have, doesn't mean they couldn't easily outsell the next best seller depending on just what the supply was at the time. #christmas
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    Image of Rez_Stevens Rez_Stevens
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    What's 1995?

    ...

    ARE THOSE FUCKING POGS??? #christmas
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    Image of Kanji08 Kanji08
    11/04/09

    @Rez_Stevens: #christmas
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    Image of Blore07 Blore07
    11/04/09

    @Kanji08: god damn I loved POGS, how awesome was the POG world tour set! #christmas
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    Image of RockyRan RockyRan
    11/04/09

    @Rez_Stevens: Sorry, I traded your soul for Alf pogs. Remember Alf? He's back. In Pog form! #christmas
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    Image of MiKe Hawk MiKe Hawk
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    I just realized that throughout my 21 year life time I have gotten toys from way back in the 60's for x-mas even during the 90's.

    wow. #christmas
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    Image of notquitedeadyet notquitedeadyet
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    And yet seldom have I gotten any games for Christmas.....aside from Bomberman 64, which KICKED ASS. #christmas
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    11/04/09

    @notquitedeadyet: I loved that game, although some of the bomb-jumping required to 100% the game was infuriating. #christmas
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    Image of spannu spannu
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    It doesn't really explain the numbers, but it claims they're only talking about the most popular toys for kids. That would imply that most of the Wiis out there weren't purchased for children. #christmas
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    Image of the7k the7k
    11/04/09

    @spannu: Well, I don't think this was so much about what was purchased, as it is what was desired.

    As a kid, I wanted the Genesis version of Mortal Kombat, but I didn't have a Genesis and my parents sure as shoot weren't going to buy a whole new console to play one game when I could get what they saw as the same game for a system I already owned.

    So, yeah - A lot of people, children included, wanted a PS3 back then. However, when you rely on your parents to buy stuff for you, you kinda have to deal with the fact that your parents are never going to spend $600 on a console when there is another console selling for $250. Heck, the fact that the Wii tried to appeal more to the parents than the PS3 did very well could have played a part in that.

    Of course, this is all assuming they are forming these numbers based on demand, not sales. If they are forming them based on sales, then I have no idea how the PS3 got up there.
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    Image of Blore07 Blore07
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    Really? Those robo sapian toys? and 1999 was a plushie pikachu and not pokemon games or something?
    Some of these things just dont seem right to be honest.
    Then again, i've not done any market research into it. #christmas
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    Image of Kayube Kayube
    11/04/09

    @Blore07: It could be that some of the things pictured are representatives of wider product lines, like the Pikachu represents all Pokemon merchandise. #christmas
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    Image of Blore07 Blore07
    11/04/09

    @Kayube: Yeah thats what i'm thinking #christmas
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    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    Fatalities are just perfect for children :P #christmas
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    Image of Kanji08 Kanji08
    11/04/09

    @Pentex: Mortal Kombat II was my first M-rated game back at the tender age of 6. Got a Genesis, Sonic the Hedgehog, and MK2. It was *almost* as good as the Christmas I got an SNES, Final Fantasy II, ActRaiser, and Super Mario World the year prior. Ahhh, the childhood joys of killing and dismembering the bodies of defeated foes. #christmas
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    Image of Kovitlac Kovitlac
    11/04/09

    @Kanji08: There's nothing quite like the beauty of a child's laughter as he's slaughtering countless enemies on a gore-filled screen.

    It just warms the heart. #christmas
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    Image of Cpryd001 Cpryd001
    11/04/09

    In reply to For Thirty Four Years, Kids Have Wanted Video Games For Christmas
    With these developments that children want video games for Christmas, it'll only continue to concrete the idea that video games are for children.

    Hurry! We must make children crave new things! Such as... jackhammers. And bratwurst. #christmas
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    Image of bass28 bass28
    11/04/09

    @Cpryd001: What about chainsaws? #christmas
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    11/04/09

    @Cpryd001: Well My Kids will be getting Gifts that keeps on Giving! Nuclear Reactors!
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    11/04/09

    @Cptn.PaxtonAstypalaea(Corsair): Yeah like extra eyes and limbs :) #christmas
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    11/04/09

    @Esper mind tricks: Hey, I know I use my Extra eyes and Limbs all the time. And the ability to spit acid is priceless. #christmas
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    11/04/09

    @Cptn.PaxtonAstypalaea(Corsair):
    "When I say "I have eyes on the back of my head" my kids know I mean it!" #christmas
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    Image of Cpryd001 Cpryd001
    11/04/09

    @bass28: Are you mad, sir?! You need to give them a scarf as well! To avoid any chainsaw-neck accidents! #christmas
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    Image of heelguru heelguru
    11/04/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    I'm an economist, and I've had a poke around for this paper. Unfortunately his university doesn't publish it. (Which is fairly dodgy.)

    Regardless, what a brief overview given at the university website says is that he applied what is known as instrumental variables to the statistical regression. (IV as it is better known is usually used to combat random processes in data, or you could think of it as trying to control for bad data by using 'instruments' or proxies to adjust his figures.

    However whilst the method can be used for good it depends very strongly on what proxies you utilise, and whether it makes sense to do so and works. There is a possibility that this is just a spurious relationship, (and his university really has no incentive to not promote his research, since it generates controversy and notoriety for them) Since applying a regression you essentially assume that there is a relationship between the two and that the relationship follows the causality of the specification.

    Also he doesn't have a PhD he's only an undergrad. So take his work with a big grain of salt.

    Also i wonder if there is a certain amount of self selection in his sample...

    Anyway the key is to find his paper, then we can see whether it is a solid relationship or just an amusing regression. #money
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    Image of NapoleonThe12th NapoleonThe12th
    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    I think that this is a mistake in cause and effect. As detailed in Steven Levitt's book Freakanomics, it's important to remember there are several different cause and effect links.

    1) A can cause B

    2) B can cause A

    3) A and B can be caused by outside variable C

    4) A and B can be coincidentally similar in pattern but not actually linked

    What I think we have here is a case of #3. It's likely that those who have lower paying jobs tend to have more time for games. As well, they would most likely be less educated as there is a known causal effect between education and income, thus they would likely spend less time reading.

    It should also be noted that he himself states that women do not seem to be affected, seemingly showing a lack of a direct link between the two and suggesting an indirect link found in men. The boy needs to put down the controller and do his reading. #money
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    Image of Dr Durdon Dr Durdon
    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    Right. Because other hobbies like, say, photography are totally forgiving on the wallet. Who is this nutjob? Anything you spend time doing will eventually cost you money. Gardening, painting, rebuilding furniture, whatever.

    Stop finding a way to paint video games in a bad light. #money
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    Image of Torusan Torusan
    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    I hear the bacon flu decreases income, too. #money
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    Image of RockyRan RockyRan
    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    I might be missing an obvious something in this study, but couldn't the same thing be said for pretty much any hobby that requires you buy stuff occasionally? You spend $60 here and $60 there on games when new ones come out instead of working longer hours, but what about those people who buy hundreds of dollars worth of wood to make their own furniture for fun instead of working longer hours?

    Seems to me that they're picking on video games for no real reason when it's hobbies in general that have this same effect. Then again, I might be missing the point completely and maybe I just made a fool out of myself <_< #money
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    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    0.4% per minute?
    250 minutes = 100% decrease in income.

    Welp, better quit my job! :V #money
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    Image of TrjnRabbit TrjnRabbit
    11/03/09

    In reply to Study: Playing Games Hurts Income, By The Minute
    My friend and I have been trying to setup a wencomic for a little while, but instead of planning, writing and drawing when he comes over to my place, we play Street Fighter.

    So instead of furthering a project that could potentially provide us with a small income (I'm thinking a few dollars a month), we choose to have fun instead.

    Who would have thought, people opt for a leisure activity in their spare time.

    Of course, gaming doesn't effect my normal income in the slightest. I have a decent (if dull) job and easily manage to keep what I do in my spare time separate from what I do at work.

    Aside from spending hours on Kotaku instead of working... #money
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