guys, i like kotaku and all but writing something in the vein of the iphone now getting a 3d chip makes you sound somewhat uninformed, like when yellow press talks about gaming in between.
The iPhone had a 3d gpu since day 1, it just gets a better,newer one now.
Also anyone in this thread who says things in the vein of "blabla iphone will never be a serious contender in the gaming market, yadayada" should read some recent news.
Nintendo and Sony are trying to copy the iPhone with their newer devices and services, not the other way round.
Man, cell-phone gaming hasn't appealed to me since I was 12, so I don't feel touched by this at all.
I need my phone for CALLS, so I can't be running around wasting batteries on the umpteenth tower-defense I just bought on my iXpensive cellphone.
Yes, I am well aware these are avaliable on the iPod Touch. I have games on my LG Touch (which didn't cost nearly as much) but I don't use them due to the fact that my MP3 is always playing music when I use it, and when I want to use it I prefer there's battery left instead of it having been drained by playing a fart-app.
Sorry Apple, you never could sway me with your stylish yet over-expensive wares. My MacBook may be a decent computer, but not my system of choice.
I dont expect from Kotaku to know everything about technologie. But come on, the iPhone has an Dreamcast similiar GPU, stuff like that should be well known, in my opinion.
So since their adding a built-in 3D graphics chip, does that mean that games that take advantage of it, won't work on any of the current iPhones? Well that would be logical, though i don't see why Apple would want to fragment their userbase.
Well i realise its not confirmed yet and hopefully it won't be the iPhone only (so new iTouch with it).
@Xucuroz: they should abandon the ipod touch altogether and replace it with an ipod "game." they added video to the ipod.. and called it the ipod video, then they added a touch device and replaced that with the touch. its only natural they progress to a gaming device from there.
seriously.. if they released an ipod dedicated to playing games, and had it reasonably priced and didnt update it in a year... itd probably sell like crazy.
@NeoAkira: there are much better mp3 players out there for a fraction of the price. if you really want a device specifically for mp3s.. a 32 gig max device thats 400 dollars isnt a great choice. its already not an mp3 player first.
@Bouncer biggz: nobody's getting in.: why do people sometimes call apple "mac." thats like saying "why doesnt genesis just release a new system. after the dreamcast, genesis still could have kept going." what?
also, apple created the pippin, and bandai released the thing. it was a decent idea, but the price is mainly what killed it. that and the fact that it didnt have its own software that was console-eque. the way the gaming market is nowadays, they could just release a version of apple tv capable of producing graphics on par with 360/ps3... and then third parties could release their games on itunes right along side the other consoles.
@DoctorSaliva: I let my friends borrow my Steam games all the time. I just give them the acc info, they download it and play, and I log back on when I want it back.
Slightly off topic, but can anyone suggest any good phones? I am in desperate need of a new one, and have heard good things about both the Palm Pre and the G1. My perfect phone would be the Sidekick 2008, but they aren't sold in the UK.
I feel that the Palm Pre is too businessman-like for my needs, and have heard mixed reactions to the G1, though I do like its physical keyboard.
I am intrigued as to whether there will be an iPhone v3 announced on Monday, but I am a bit of a gadget freak I already have an iPod Touch, and getting an iPhone would rob me of the fun first few weeks of playing with a new gadget.
I wouldn't reccomend the Palm Pre unless the Sprint network in your area is unebelievably good.
Having uses the G1 and iPhone, I prefer the iPhone; but that's just me. The G1 is much more customizable as a phone, so it's really up to you there.
At the same time, the HTC Touch Pro 2 (for Verizon) that's coming it should be really good too as well as the Samsung Omnia Pro. In the end, I'd wait to hear news on the new iPhone and decide from there, but those are the 4 phones I'd recommend you considering to purchase.
Great, but it seems to be aiming for a market that isn't there. People that like portable gaming already have one of the handhelds this generation has spawned, what makes this one competition to them?
I know, I know, it's a phone too, but shit, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume those with PSPs and DS/is already have mobile phones, who doesn't?
Not to mention that the number of hardcore Apple fans who'd buy another iPhone just to game on it too just isn't high enough to warrant this.
Yes, there's a market there for mobile games. But what all of you are missing is that game sales on the iPhone and Touch aren't taking anything away from DS and PSP sales.
@NeoAkira: Yeah you gotta fair point but with Apple's new gamer centric additions to the new models it will definitely start encroaching on their space. I think both Nintendo and Sony realise that the iPhone is a massive massive threat and no fanboy rhetoric will change this fact. Hence both companies move towards downloads as well as portable entertainment. The appstore may not offer a vast library of cmpetetive gaming but then again why should. Most people only want a timewaster when they are on the train, not an in-depth, intense epic.
I think that handheld gaming has evolved past a simple timewaster. The large majority of people I know with handhelds use them at home more than away from home. I think this is fairly accurate as most people spend a lot of time at home. Therefore handhelds like the DS and PSP have become viable options to play video games at home outside of a console.
And as such, I don't think the iPhone platform is viable as such an option yet. This is the market that will be hard for apple to penetrate.
Am I the only one hoping for iTunes on the PSP Go? Even on the PS3, a joint venture between Apple and Sony would be most exciting given the casual slant gaming has acquired.
@MrBangBam: Gamers are cheap bastards. Apple is just going to cost too much for gamers to take seriously. With the combination of cellular bills and internet chargers they are going to have no money for games.
@Takamofo: Then you might as well get a psp or ds I think. ipod touch wouldn't be very good as a mp3 player. I'm liking having 80+gigs on a device that's smaller.
@sereal: I only said that because you said people wouldn't buy it because of cellular bills (and interenet chargers?). Personally I don't care for the current games coming out but hopefully in a few years they will find some unique games being made on the app store. And if you're thinking of the iPod touch as a gaming device with 80+ gigs of storage, that's ridiculous at this moment for any handheld.
@Levi Nellen: I know. I'm looking at my cart in Steam right now. I can get the two expansions for the original Half-Life and have only spent $3 on the entire set (I grabbed Half Life 1 during that 10 year anniversary sale).
And Bioshock for $5?! I want it even though my laptop can't run it!
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The iPhone had a 3d gpu since day 1, it just gets a better,newer one now.
Also anyone in this thread who says things in the vein of "blabla iphone will never be a serious contender in the gaming market, yadayada" should read some recent news.
Nintendo and Sony are trying to copy the iPhone with their newer devices and services, not the other way round.
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I need my phone for CALLS, so I can't be running around wasting batteries on the umpteenth tower-defense I just bought on my iXpensive cellphone.
Yes, I am well aware these are avaliable on the iPod Touch. I have games on my LG Touch (which didn't cost nearly as much) but I don't use them due to the fact that my MP3 is always playing music when I use it, and when I want to use it I prefer there's battery left instead of it having been drained by playing a fart-app.
Sorry Apple, you never could sway me with your stylish yet over-expensive wares. My MacBook may be a decent computer, but not my system of choice.
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btw
Dreamcast for the win!
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I can feel it in me bones...
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Well i realise its not confirmed yet and hopefully it won't be the iPhone only (so new iTouch with it).
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seriously.. if they released an ipod dedicated to playing games, and had it reasonably priced and didnt update it in a year... itd probably sell like crazy.
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No, please. The iPod Touch should always be an MP3 player first and foremost. It can be a secondary whatever-the-hell Apple wants after that.
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Mac doesn't do games, they do money & U.I.
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also, apple created the pippin, and bandai released the thing. it was a decent idea, but the price is mainly what killed it. that and the fact that it didnt have its own software that was console-eque. the way the gaming market is nowadays, they could just release a version of apple tv capable of producing graphics on par with 360/ps3... and then third parties could release their games on itunes right along side the other consoles.
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Say goodbye to letting your friends borrow your games with the new system, iGame!
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That's perfectly safe...
Seriously, I do trust my friends but not with *any* password or account info. That's just asking for trouble.
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I'm sorry you have untrustworthy friends?
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I feel that the Palm Pre is too businessman-like for my needs, and have heard mixed reactions to the G1, though I do like its physical keyboard.
I am intrigued as to whether there will be an iPhone v3 announced on Monday, but I am a bit of a gadget freak I already have an iPod Touch, and getting an iPhone would rob me of the fun first few weeks of playing with a new gadget.
Opinions on smartphones to help me out, anyone?
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I wouldn't reccomend the Palm Pre unless the Sprint network in your area is unebelievably good.
Having uses the G1 and iPhone, I prefer the iPhone; but that's just me. The G1 is much more customizable as a phone, so it's really up to you there.
At the same time, the HTC Touch Pro 2 (for Verizon) that's coming it should be really good too as well as the Samsung Omnia Pro. In the end, I'd wait to hear news on the new iPhone and decide from there, but those are the 4 phones I'd recommend you considering to purchase.
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having re-read my post I sound absolutely reatrded. please excuse the poor grammar and silly mistakes.
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I know, I know, it's a phone too, but shit, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume those with PSPs and DS/is already have mobile phones, who doesn't?
Not to mention that the number of hardcore Apple fans who'd buy another iPhone just to game on it too just isn't high enough to warrant this.
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If they've proved anything, it's that the market is most definitely there.
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Yes, there's a market there for mobile games. But what all of you are missing is that game sales on the iPhone and Touch aren't taking anything away from DS and PSP sales.
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I think that handheld gaming has evolved past a simple timewaster. The large majority of people I know with handhelds use them at home more than away from home. I think this is fairly accurate as most people spend a lot of time at home. Therefore handhelds like the DS and PSP have become viable options to play video games at home outside of a console.
And as such, I don't think the iPhone platform is viable as such an option yet. This is the market that will be hard for apple to penetrate.
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I suspect the next year to be a very interesting one for the handheld space.
And I wonder if it would be smart to make any investment in a portable system right now.
*Hugs PSP-1000, iPod Touch G1 and DS Lite*
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Have you ever used the Zune Software ? It's 100x better
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Is simplew = ugly, then sure. I guess that makes all apple products ugly too.
Maybe your computer is just old. I've heard slow computers tend to run applications slow. Shocking, I know.
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*if simple
edit please.
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I still love G1 better though.
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Yes, I've used them both (interestingly enough all my friends have one or the other but me) and they make for amazing phones.
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SONY PRICE TOO HIGH BLU RAY SUCS
DSi NEW "UPDATE" FTL
SONY PSP NO UMD LOL
IPHONE FTW
*Today is the dawn of Apple game fanboys
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And Bioshock for $5?! I want it even though my laptop can't run it!