If I am able to grapple people, then it will be officially the best thing ever. Grapple guy to a box, throw box out of plane, watch as guy goes flopping to his anchored death.
I just like pointing this out: "panau" in Malay is a fungal skin infection (tinea versicolor or pityriasis versicolor). Seems appropriate for a crime-infested island.
This series has lost its novelty, the excuse of hardware limitation is why we let these games get free rides in the past despite its broken core gameplay. Now they have every hardware resources to fix the combat system, the non-existent AI, the flat environment and the overall game structure.
But Koei won't try... DW are selling like hotcakes in Japan and all around Asia even if the games are flawed and broken. And I don't blame 'em, I can see the appeal of it, a game where they squeeze in every sanguo important figures as playable characters is bound to sell well in Asia.
@rich8606: I see you have no idea what strikeforce is.
DW: Strikeforce is the biggest departure from last gen's DW formula any DW game has ever taken. The game plays like a mix between monster hunter and Dynasty Warriors (because that's essentially what it is) and doesn't suffer from most of the issues that plagued the older games. It's getting ported not because they need yet another generic DW game, it's getting ported because after the "experiment" on the PSP, the new gameplay style was found to work and it's gotten a lot of fan support.
I understand your complaints about DW in general, but please, know WTH you're talking about before you post.
@Tailsnake: I played the demo on PSP.... Other than the ability to henshin and dash, it's the same old DW game. Frankly the combat system needs an overhaul and the enemy AI...
@Komrade Kayce: You wana know what makes me wonder much more.
I like my 360 and i like strategy games, but somehow i always had problems with the outcome of the controls of those games on the 360.
Mostly it was all an absolute stupid mess when trying to pull of more complex strategies.
How do they plan that someone plays THIS up there correctly and to its full strategical purpose?
As epic as it looks i have to see and more importantly play it before i believe in its playabillity.
EDIT: Oh yeah and please include a recording feature in it so that i can watch the epic mess that had happened. ^^
It doesn't work on an xbox. With the 360 controller, I can manage two front attack strategies or en masse (just about the only two strategies I can handle) but thats about it. And I can still have fun.
SupCom does. Not. Work. Not on a strategy level, but even if, IF, you could somehow push through that... it doesn't even work on a hardware level. A console won't do it any justice unless its ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up.
Is there anyone who can speak intelligently on the value of preorders to a company?
Because anyone who preorders a game was likely going to buy it anyways. Offering bonuses and early access to demos isn't going to generate new sales. The "Hey-I-Wasn't-Going-To-Get-That-Game- But-Now-I'll-Preorder-It-To-Get-An-Exclusive- In-Game-Clown-Costume" person doesn't exist. No one who is on the fence is going to be swayed by the promise of an extra level or a new fuzzy hat.
My only thought is that pumping up preorder numbers is a marketing gimmick. Using L4D2 as an example, they got to issue a press release that said the game was preordered 4 times more than the previous version. That, in turn, can get people interested - "Huh, everyone's getting this game and it isn't even out yet. I might want to check it out."
But that's just a guess. Anyone else have thoughts on why preorders and preorder goodies are such a big deal?
@Wolfnave:
It converts people from a "I'll-buy-it-when-it-comes-out" customer to a "I'll-go-ahead-and-preorder-it" customer. This helps lock customers in, dedicate them to you game, you could say. It also builds hype, since you get extra swag. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Wolfnave: You also have the "Im-going-to-get-this-when-it-comes-out-but-when-it-comes-out-im-like-fuck-it" customers. If someone preorders it then they have already payed for it so they are definitely getting it as opposed to renigging. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Kicken: See, I think that anyone willing to preorder is already "locked in." Those customers are already dedicated to the IP - they don't NEED to be locked in. They're getting the game. Period.
Additionally, with preorders, the sale still isn't made until the day the game actually comes out. You put a deposit down, but you can get it back if you want it. The company doesn't experience any early revenue.
So I think it is, as you say, part of the hype building. That's the only benefit I can see, other than providing a perk to your loyal customer base. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@kingbob337: But that's not the case. Gamestop and Amazon only charge the full price when the game is actually released. Amazon didn't charge my account until MW2 shipped.
And GS's $5 deposit is just a silly way to trick naive customers into thinking they HAVE to buy the game or lose their deposit. You can cancel at anytime and get your $5 back. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@TheOmnitron: Ok, everyone keeps saying that. Which companies make you pay full price up front? 'Cause it's not Amazon, Best Buy, Gamestop, Walmart, etc. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Wolfnave: The value to pre-orders is sales data. Getting folks to actually pre-order gives marketing a good idea of how sales are reacting to various ad campaigns and general 'feel' for a product.
Exclusive pre-order bonuses also mean you can punt some of your marketing bill onto the retailers (case in point GS's ads for ODST and L4D2). #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@MajorNewbie: That's what I was lookin' for. I hadn't even thought about getting retailers to foot the bill for marketing materials. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Wolfnave: Plus if you pre-order a digital distribution (my experience is with Steam), then they take your money there and then AND get pissed off when you cancel the pre-order even if you're within the UK's distance selling cool-off period and it's your right to ask for a refund. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Wolfnave: The publisher can also use preorder numbers to predict how many units to manufacture and ship for retail sales and also how fast they will sell. Some games will sell millions in week 1 while others will sell more slowly and they can save money by manufacturing the number of units needed each week.
Also helps for predicting server capacity for online games that require some hosting by the publisher/developer.
Of course this is just conjecture, but thats what I would do. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Wolfnave: The $5 is more than that. You have no idea the number of people that pre-order something, change their mind, and forget or don't care about the $5. It's free money for Gamestop in the end, and it can add up. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
it would be nice if the mission objectives in C&C4 matched the faction being played. hint: nod missions should almost never feature an objective like 'directly assault a gigantic, map covering, GDI base.' why the hell would a guerilla/terrorist organization commit themselves to that kind of endeavor? it makes no sense. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Blore07: A great one to do that will easily run on your pc would be Rise of Nations, not to mention it being ridiculously cheap now that it's been out for a few years.
@Blore07: AOE, 1 and 2. They may look incredibly dated, but the core gameplay is still close to the best gaming experiences I've had on any platform or genre.
AoE3, for me at least, killed the series. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Blore07: Hmm a real time strategy game. How old can it be? Because a lot of great RTSes were out practically around the start of the decade. Also it's very much dependant on the person.
You could play Homeworld(1,2 or even cataclysm) probably can get them for under £5 each (1 and 2, cataclysm is a bit rare), might enjoy Company of Heroes but it has some similarities to DoW2 - it's more a tactical RTS.
Rise of Nations as someone suggested.
If you're into micromanagement I'd suggest games like MOO, Alpha Centauri and Sins of a Solar Empire.
If you can get a copy of Sacrifice I'll say you'd enjoy it esp for the voice acting. I guess you would have played Warcraft 3 and Starcraft. C&C 3 wouldn't be bad. Age of Empires 3 is still not as enjoyable as 2 for me at least.
Give the total war series a shot. Rome, Empire or Medieval 2. If you can wait till Feb go for Napoleon: Total War.
Though personally I'd recommend some old turn-based strategy games such as Heroes 2 or 3 and Disciples 1 or 2. (Even Divine Divinity) #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Blore07: If you are really into RTS, Starcraft and Warcraft III are musts. Supreme commander is not a bad choice either, though it is rather demanding spec-wise. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
@Blore07: Tiberian Sun was IMO the peak of the series as far as enjoyable singleplayer campaigns go. RA2 is pretty good. C&C3 is a bit behind both of them with RA3 quite a bit further. As far as earlier games go, its hard to rank. My graphics-whoreness makes it hard to play them for looking ugly, but tiberan sun still looks beautiful.
As far as other RTS's go, starcraft and the warcrafts are still very good. CoH is decent, but I would rank it beneath the C&C's and the -craft's because a lot of things in the gameplay really piss me off, but others like it.
Sometime in the distant future Starcraft 2 will be released. From what we have seen so far, it will be fucking awesome in every way imaginable.
11/24/09
Can't want to grapple a helicopter to a train to a car to a mountain.
11/24/09
11/24/09
If I am able to grapple people, then it will be officially the best thing ever. Grapple guy to a box, throw box out of plane, watch as guy goes flopping to his anchored death.
#speakup
11/24/09
It doesn't sound right... doesn't sound right at all!!
11/24/09
We should start a betting pool on which Spring Titles will end up being Fall titles.
11/24/09
Square Enix? Just Cause 2? That's going to take a while to get used to.
11/24/09
I just like pointing this out: "panau" in Malay is a fungal skin infection (tinea versicolor or pityriasis versicolor). Seems appropriate for a crime-infested island.
Also, "kotor" means dirty.
11/20/09
Heck yeah Koei, i can't wait for this game...but can we get Warriors Orochi Z as well....so that way i don't have to import it ^_^
11/20/09
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11/20/09
But Koei won't try... DW are selling like hotcakes in Japan and all around Asia even if the games are flawed and broken. And I don't blame 'em, I can see the appeal of it, a game where they squeeze in every sanguo important figures as playable characters is bound to sell well in Asia.
11/20/09
DW: Strikeforce is the biggest departure from last gen's DW formula any DW game has ever taken. The game plays like a mix between monster hunter and Dynasty Warriors (because that's essentially what it is) and doesn't suffer from most of the issues that plagued the older games. It's getting ported not because they need yet another generic DW game, it's getting ported because after the "experiment" on the PSP, the new gameplay style was found to work and it's gotten a lot of fan support.
I understand your complaints about DW in general, but please, know WTH you're talking about before you post.
11/20/09
11/20/09
The tag system is cool enough though..
11/19/09
11/18/09
Why the fuck I'm even willing to play an RTS on a console is beyond me, but SupCom on the 360 was an unplayable mess.
11/18/09
I like my 360 and i like strategy games, but somehow i always had problems with the outcome of the controls of those games on the 360.
Mostly it was all an absolute stupid mess when trying to pull of more complex strategies.
How do they plan that someone plays THIS up there correctly and to its full strategical purpose?
As epic as it looks i have to see and more importantly play it before i believe in its playabillity.
EDIT: Oh yeah and please include a recording feature in it so that i can watch the epic mess that had happened. ^^
11/18/09
It doesn't work on an xbox. With the 360 controller, I can manage two front attack strategies or en masse (just about the only two strategies I can handle) but thats about it. And I can still have fun.
SupCom does. Not. Work. Not on a strategy level, but even if, IF, you could somehow push through that... it doesn't even work on a hardware level. A console won't do it any justice unless its ripped apart and rebuilt from the ground up.
11/12/09
Because anyone who preorders a game was likely going to buy it anyways. Offering bonuses and early access to demos isn't going to generate new sales. The "Hey-I-Wasn't-Going-To-Get-That-Game- But-Now-I'll-Preorder-It-To-Get-An-Exclusive- In-Game-Clown-Costume" person doesn't exist. No one who is on the fence is going to be swayed by the promise of an extra level or a new fuzzy hat.
My only thought is that pumping up preorder numbers is a marketing gimmick. Using L4D2 as an example, they got to issue a press release that said the game was preordered 4 times more than the previous version. That, in turn, can get people interested - "Huh, everyone's getting this game and it isn't even out yet. I might want to check it out."
But that's just a guess. Anyone else have thoughts on why preorders and preorder goodies are such a big deal?
11/12/09
It converts people from a "I'll-buy-it-when-it-comes-out" customer to a "I'll-go-ahead-and-preorder-it" customer. This helps lock customers in, dedicate them to you game, you could say. It also builds hype, since you get extra swag. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
11/12/09
Additionally, with preorders, the sale still isn't made until the day the game actually comes out. You put a deposit down, but you can get it back if you want it. The company doesn't experience any early revenue.
So I think it is, as you say, part of the hype building. That's the only benefit I can see, other than providing a perk to your loyal customer base. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
And GS's $5 deposit is just a silly way to trick naive customers into thinking they HAVE to buy the game or lose their deposit. You can cancel at anytime and get your $5 back. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
Which option would YOU choose? #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
11/12/09
Exclusive pre-order bonuses also mean you can punt some of your marketing bill onto the retailers (case in point GS's ads for ODST and L4D2). #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
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11/12/09
Also helps for predicting server capacity for online games that require some hosting by the publisher/developer.
Of course this is just conjecture, but thats what I would do. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/16/09
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11/12/09
... Wait, aren't those black robots from Sakura wars? #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
I'm getting bored of dawn of war, and dawn of war 2 from what i've played, isnt to my tastes. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
Uh, Command And Conquer 3! #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
The best RTS I've ever played. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
If your PC can run Dawn of War 2, you won't have issues with most RTS games at decent visual settings. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
Then again you can always wait for Star Craft 2. (which by knowing Blizzard, will not be demanding spec-wise). #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
11/12/09
AoE3, for me at least, killed the series. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
Thanks for all the replies, I'll check out C&C and Company of heroes. #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
You could play Homeworld(1,2 or even cataclysm) probably can get them for under £5 each (1 and 2, cataclysm is a bit rare), might enjoy Company of Heroes but it has some similarities to DoW2 - it's more a tactical RTS.
Rise of Nations as someone suggested.
If you're into micromanagement I'd suggest games like MOO, Alpha Centauri and Sins of a Solar Empire.
If you can get a copy of Sacrifice I'll say you'd enjoy it esp for the voice acting. I guess you would have played Warcraft 3 and Starcraft. C&C 3 wouldn't be bad. Age of Empires 3 is still not as enjoyable as 2 for me at least.
Give the total war series a shot. Rome, Empire or Medieval 2. If you can wait till Feb go for Napoleon: Total War.
Though personally I'd recommend some old turn-based strategy games such as Heroes 2 or 3 and Disciples 1 or 2. (Even Divine Divinity) #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/12/09
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11/12/09
As far as other RTS's go, starcraft and the warcrafts are still very good. CoH is decent, but I would rank it beneath the C&C's and the -craft's because a lot of things in the gameplay really piss me off, but others like it.
Sometime in the distant future Starcraft 2 will be released. From what we have seen so far, it will be fucking awesome in every way imaginable.
11/12/09
Yeah, I've been through starcraft and warcraft 2&3, have to say though, I can never really get into Blizzard games, I even tried out WoW.
I'll check out Sacrifice, voice acting, when done well, can make a game superb, (here's looking at you legacy of kain series).
Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions, got a lot of games to check out! #commandconquer4tiberiantwiligh...
11/09/09