Nintendo has released umpteen DS revisions. Where's the one that makes it good? The one that gives it decent hardware? The one that lets it hook up to a real display?
That said, I don't really want the PSP Go either. I'm not paying money for downloads. I LIKE having a shelf full of games and being able to resell them and lend them out, etc. Not that I lend my games out. But, you know, I could!
I can totally understand people disliking the go, I see it as more of a testing the waters device, but the release of the go and the added advertising (at least in the uk) seems to have gotten people interested in the psp as a whole again.
I'm loving my go, I had a 1st gen psp a fair while back before giving it to my brother, so I didnt have the problem of losing my UMD games.
Got into work this morning, played some Loco Roco, now i'm "working" and listening to music on it, benifits me enough.
@Roy Wall: hey dude even if you are a nintendo hater, you still have to give them the respect they deserve for what they've done for the gaming industry...ie revival of gaming in the 80s, first to add analog stick, getting grandmas and fat girls to play the wii, oh yea if it wasn't for them there wouldn't even be a handheld market.
Hint, it's the software that sells the hardware, not the other way around. None of the devices you've mentioned have a library of games even remotely close to what you can play on the DS.
Come on, first of all, this Fils-Aime guy is a big spot in the Nintendo Family, I mean, who`s this guy anyway?...On the other hand, I've had a PSP since launch and I have to say it, I hate UMD's, they're nice and all, but too damn big to carry around, if I'm in a vehicle, I prefer not to manipulate them, that's why I stopped buying games for my psp in physical form, and been buying them from PSN for some time now. since my old psp is a little worn out, I'm planning on getting a Go, it's a Playstation PORTABLE, and that's where I see the biggest benefit...and guys, stop complaining for the price already, if you don't want to pay it, then don't buy it and stop cryin already, it`s the same story with the PS3, and since I live in Costa Rica, I had to pay a lot extra for them($500 for the psp years ago, and $800 for the PS3 2 years and a half ago, everythig here is overpriced), and I'm not complaining since I've had so much fun with 'em...
@VidarCR: I don't see why UMDs are such a hassle. Personally I don't change them much. I pick a game and I work on it. If I do want to swap out, say I'm on a trip, then I'll bring a little carrying case with a couple disks in it and I'm all set.
Clearly the PSP Go is of benefit to nobody since its DLC content consists of more than Animal Crossing skinned clocks and calculators.
I keed, I keed.
The Go benefits the most important people in this industry whether the gaming public wants to admit it or not - software developers.
The used game market, as much as we bargain seekers adore it, serves very little purpose for companies who toil over game development for a year or so only to have their profit margin diminished by the used game market.
Yes, the Go doesn't completely eliminate this, but at the very least it provides a profit line directly to the devs (similar to iTunes) with no (or less) middle people.
Sure, consumers won't be able to benefit by being able to sell their "used" games ... but CLEARLY Reggie doesn't have his thinking cap on if he can't figure out WHO benefits from a device like the Go ... and it's especially odd considering that he's IN the business of "knowing" these things (management).
Then again, we're talking about a company that took 2 console generations to get into online gaming (and still hasn't quite figured it all out).
@FrankieViturello: Dude, how warped can you BE ? The only reason i like DLC releases is because where i live i get them for less then HALF of the retail price.
Most important people in this industry are the consumers, like any other industry, not the studios.
Before you fly away with non-existent games without developers theory let me tell you right now that YOU could be a great game developer since you posses an imagination and i`m pretty sure you and mostly anyone could come up with interesting concepts for games(not all good obviously but ideas are free and in unlimited supply), then i`m sure there are loads of possible programmers, designers and (less) composers/sound engineers on Kotaku alone, to fill the technical and artistic gap. What do you need then ? Lots and lots of money. Where do they come from ? Investors (Publishers) who made the money from consumers and are banking the investment ON the consumers.
Individual game studios are essential but don`t have a permanent status in the industry. Only the consumer does.
If the studio management does not like the way the market works they can go produce shoes for all i care, the people that make the actual games are hardly upset about the used game market and they will always remain in this industry because i like to think most of them do their part with passion.(and for pretty good money regardless of the boogieman used game market)
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@FrankieViturello: That the catalogue is further limited than the predecessor from the word "go" (so to speak), however, despite having the same technical specifications minus the disc drive, makes it less likely that many consumers will buy it. No consumers = less money for the developers than some consumers reselling games.
Much as you would like to or not admit it, the consumers are the ones driving the show, because without keeping the consumers happy the software developers cannot exist.
@Slanzinger: The system has only been at retail for less than two weeks. Your estimation that nobody has bought/will buy the PSP Go can't possibly be grounded in any type of legitimate sales figures.
Besides the fact that Sony is offering this as an alternative which sells alongside the standard model PSP 3000. It's not presently and likley will not ever be a completely marketplace replacement for UMD-based PSP 1 hardware.
@FrankieViturello: I'm not trying to pull figures out of my ass, ok? The only people I see who want to buy a PSP Go are the same type of people who bought both a Bluray and HD-DVD player -- because they could. I see the PSP Go as a rerun of the GB Mirco -- yeah, it cuts it, but what's the point?
The statement I was making wasn't "Nobody is buying it," I was refuting your statement that it is good for the developer -- because if nobody does buy it, the developer could give a rat's ass how good it is for them, physical media would still be the only way to turn a proper profit.
I admit, from the standpoint of the developer and the money they could make off the device because they're not losing sales to the used game audience, it sounds spiffy, but for everyone else, it's a "what's the point?" Everyone who'd want one already has a PSP, and everyone developing for it isn't going to just drop UMDs -- that'd be stupid -- so for the time being, the PSP Go isn't serving anybody any good. If that changes, that changes.
@zixaphir: It should be no secret to anybody that the PSP Go is a calculated move by Sony to test the waters of a digital distribution only platform.
All that I'm saying is that when all is said and done, if the system remains in the market for 2-3 years, and sells a few million units (which it inevitably will regardless of how good/bad it is perceived to be) and exponentially a few more hundred thousand copies of each game in the marketplace sell than previously would have if consumers had the option to buy a cheap used UMD version (or pirate one via custom firmware) then game developers will net more direct profits.
For all the pissing, moaning, doubt and confusion over the Go at marketplace - this scenario HURTS NOBODY, even if the Go is ultimately a failure at retail, devs are required only minimal investment to get a network download version of their software on the PSN, and they really can only serve to profit with an on-demand service like that vs. the overhead costs involved with PRINTING physical media.
The only people who have a legit gripe are the consumers who like physical media (UMDs) and like to buy/sell used software.
Regarding the article, I could say the same thing about the DSi. I don't really care about upgrading either handheld. We can debate the merits of the Go and DSi all day, but it really comes down to personal preferrence. So really, it's like the teapot calling the kettle black.
@Furysetzer: Not really; the PSPGo seems built specifically to punish its own adopters. The DSi might seem like an unnecessary upgrade, and marks the loss of GBA compatibility, but it doesn't sacrifice the ability to play physical copies of games specifically built for that system. The DSi can still play all of the games you bought for the DS, as well as support new downloaded content. The PSPGo can't play the games you bought for the PSP, and *only* supports downloaded content. I fail to see how the two handheld upgrades are even in the same ballpark.
@Furysetzer: I don't know how many times I've said this, but the DSi is a hardware upgrade. Faster CPU and tons more RAM. Well...Tons is a bit much. The DSi bumped things up to 16MB from the 4MB found in the DS and DSlite. We will eventually see DSi-only games that cannot be played on the DS because they take advantage of the extra processing power.
he's actually right ya know. there is no added value in the pspgo. not even a little white flag that pops out and says "SUCKER!" when you turn the thing on.
Let's see, what do you get for NOT upgrading to the DSi?
A big stinking wiener, probably from the guy in the picture, right up the poophole, I would say. What does that device even represent, anyway?
Is it the DS2? Nope, not different and powerful enough for that.
Is it just a regular remodelling of the DS Lite, then? No, it's not that either, since it has features that only select games use (like the cameras and the *slightly* faster CPU), let alone the dozens of exclusive games just available through DSiWare.
Do you really need it as an owner of a DS Lite, then? No and yes. No, because it looks the same and offers no significant improvements in size or comfort, yes because now offering online distribution is obviously all the reason Nintendo needs to shift much of their DS software R&D ressources to DSiWare games.
No, because the gimmicky features of the new firmware are dispensible, yes because the firmware of the old DS models were never made to be updated (which was a mistake, simple as that) and we currently have no fucking clue how long Nintendo is still going to milk the DSi and what kinds of exclusive stuff is still to come, while the real DS2 could as well be announced as early as next year, too, and then there goes your $170 purchase.
The PSP Go doesn't actually change anything for owners of the old PSP models, since, thank god, Sony didn't mess up their old models so badly they'd pretty much be incompatible to the new one, except for only the very task of actually playing gaming software.
There's nothing the PSP Go can offer software-wise that the old models couldn't, thanks to the WISE decision to not add anything that would put full backwards and upwards compatibility into question. The fact that the Go doesn't support UMDs is something that just owners of the new PSP Go have to deal with, while the fact that the DS and DS Lite don't support DSiWare games and will even lack certain features in future games is something that everyone has to deal with who hasn't bought a DSi....
The way I see it, Nintendo is "punishing" owners of the old DS models by releasing less cartridge-based games (and what significant Nintendo games besides M&L3 and even more Pokemon were released on a DS cartridge this year?) and is rewarding the purchase of a DSi with DSiWare games and DSi-exclusive features in retail games.
What I'm saying here is that I mind the PSP Go less because at least it's not giving me a buttache.
@vaterunser: 2x faster CPU is only "slightly faster"? 4x more RAM is only "slightly more"?
It's a bigger jump from DS to DSi (which IS the DS2, at least the developer kit model numbers all say that - you cannot make DSi software using the old dev kits) than it was from GameCube to Wii.
Ok, I have a PSP 2000 and a DSlite. I'm not getting a PSP 3000 or a PSP Go because they don't really add anything to enhance my gaming experience (besides a sharper/higher resolution screen.
All PSP's can download games from PSN store and can play UMD games at the same time. Could someone tell em if I'm missing on something that the PSP Go has to offer to videogames that the older molders don't?
The DSi however, adds new features for gamers; most important one for me is the ability to support other kinds of internet security besides WEP. DSi ware games just makes it better for me to get it (the bigger screens don't really matter much.)
@smashfanDS:
The PSP3000/Go offer a higher resolution screen?
Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
What the PSP Go has to offer is smaller size, smaller weight (which both ARE features, much more so than new kinds of internet security), and internal memory 32 times the size of the Wii's. Some people like their so-called portable devices small in size, and would like not to deal with the huge-ass UMDs, easy as that, and just because you're not one of them doesn't mean that nobody is. One of the first things people consider when buying a cellphone is its size, yet when it comes to handheld gaming consoles, many people don't even acknowledge it as a feature...What the hell is happening now?
I exclusively play my DS Lite and Phat-PSP at home, because of their big-ass bulky size, if those devices ever leave my home, then it's in a backpack, and the DSi still has the same basic size, bulging out any opening in your clothing to the max, and then the question of where to put your games (especially, and I can't stress this enough, big-ass and fragile UMD games) is still unanswered.
The old PSPs had WPA security and access to the PSN store all along, and what they don't have now can be added via patch later (does that make the PSP Go more obsolete to you, too?), yet you use basically the same features, WPA security and access to DSi Ware games, to back up the purchase of your DSi...That's pretty weak. It's only natural that you can improve more things with every new revision if you messed up more things from the beginning, like not enabling the device for firmware updates.
And why the hell does nobody ever mention the missing GBA slot on the DSi?
There goes Sony's one try to spice up the handheld gaming market by releasing an ALTERNATIVE model that sacrifices physical media for smaller size and a whole new design approach, and instead of just thinking their part, people go on a damn witch-hunt.
@vaterunser: People pot out the lack of DSi slot all the time, typically when trolling. But most people don't really mind that Nintendo has stopped supporting a 9, almost 10 year old format. And WPA security can be a big deal for people who don't want folks in their network. Don't downplay it.
But your missing features. Here, let me school you some as in the middle of your rant, you forget them.
+Upgraded CPU.
+Upgraded Wireless.
+Upgraded RAM.
+Upgraded internal Flash Memory
+Supports SDHC cards, currently up to 32 gigs, likely to go higher.
+Smoother interface, allows limited customization
+DSi shop.
+2 Cameras.
+Upgraded screens.
+Upgraded sound chip and speakers.
+Built in Internet Browser.
+WEP and WAP2 support
+Still plays all 1000+ DS titles.
-No GBA BC.
All for $170 dollars or $40 dollars more then a DS-Lite. Now compare the added/removed
of the PSPGo which is $80 dollars more then a Core PSP 3000 series.
So you see, there's a lot more there then in your words "WPA security and access to DSi Ware games, to back up the purchase of your DSi". Research, it's a lovely thing.
@vaterunser: Thank God the PSPGo is 1/8 inch smaller in both length and width to the DSLite. Now you wont be ridiculed for that 1/8 of an inch sticking out of your pocket. Just to give you an idea of the gigantic size difference between the two: ! ! - it's the space between the 2 exclamation points. They might as well be different galaxies.
@vaterunser: and instead of just thinking their part, people go on a damn witch-hunt.
lalalalalala I'm the only one who can see what's really happening with these upgrades everyone else is blind to what's happening why can't they be like me and only appreciate the pspgo instead of the dsi lalalalalalalalalala hypocrite is spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
Yeah, what's the point? The DS Lite totally had a reason to exist over the DS cuz it was SMALLER and that was something new and different, and now the DSi has a point because it has two cameras AND you can download stuff to it and it doesn't work with GBA games... hey wait, that sounds a lot like what Sony is doing.
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That said, I don't really want the PSP Go either. I'm not paying money for downloads. I LIKE having a shelf full of games and being able to resell them and lend them out, etc. Not that I lend my games out. But, you know, I could!
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I'm loving my go, I had a 1st gen psp a fair while back before giving it to my brother, so I didnt have the problem of losing my UMD games.
Got into work this morning, played some Loco Roco, now i'm "working" and listening to music on it, benifits me enough.
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And the tapwave zodiac, all other PDAs/smartphones, tablet PCs/UMPCs, Zune HD/iphone/ipod touch/etc...
They act like they invented the touchscreen
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None of those are gaming systems. The DS is.
end of story
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Hint, it's the software that sells the hardware, not the other way around. None of the devices you've mentioned have a library of games even remotely close to what you can play on the DS.
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I keed, I keed.
The Go benefits the most important people in this industry whether the gaming public wants to admit it or not - software developers.
The used game market, as much as we bargain seekers adore it, serves very little purpose for companies who toil over game development for a year or so only to have their profit margin diminished by the used game market.
Yes, the Go doesn't completely eliminate this, but at the very least it provides a profit line directly to the devs (similar to iTunes) with no (or less) middle people.
Sure, consumers won't be able to benefit by being able to sell their "used" games ... but CLEARLY Reggie doesn't have his thinking cap on if he can't figure out WHO benefits from a device like the Go ... and it's especially odd considering that he's IN the business of "knowing" these things (management).
Then again, we're talking about a company that took 2 console generations to get into online gaming (and still hasn't quite figured it all out).
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Most important people in this industry are the consumers, like any other industry, not the studios.
Before you fly away with non-existent games without developers theory let me tell you right now that YOU could be a great game developer since you posses an imagination and i`m pretty sure you and mostly anyone could come up with interesting concepts for games(not all good obviously but ideas are free and in unlimited supply), then i`m sure there are loads of possible programmers, designers and (less) composers/sound engineers on Kotaku alone, to fill the technical and artistic gap. What do you need then ? Lots and lots of money. Where do they come from ? Investors (Publishers) who made the money from consumers and are banking the investment ON the consumers.
Individual game studios are essential but don`t have a permanent status in the industry. Only the consumer does.
If the studio management does not like the way the market works they can go produce shoes for all i care, the people that make the actual games are hardly upset about the used game market and they will always remain in this industry because i like to think most of them do their part with passion.(and for pretty good money regardless of the boogieman used game market)
Ok this reply is officially out of control. I'm going to stop now.
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Much as you would like to or not admit it, the consumers are the ones driving the show, because without keeping the consumers happy the software developers cannot exist.
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Your reply was absolutely out of control.
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Besides the fact that Sony is offering this as an alternative which sells alongside the standard model PSP 3000. It's not presently and likley will not ever be a completely marketplace replacement for UMD-based PSP 1 hardware.
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Should be easy since nobody wants to buy them.
Let me know when you can produce those sales figures.
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The statement I was making wasn't "Nobody is buying it," I was refuting your statement that it is good for the developer -- because if nobody does buy it, the developer could give a rat's ass how good it is for them, physical media would still be the only way to turn a proper profit.
I admit, from the standpoint of the developer and the money they could make off the device because they're not losing sales to the used game audience, it sounds spiffy, but for everyone else, it's a "what's the point?" Everyone who'd want one already has a PSP, and everyone developing for it isn't going to just drop UMDs -- that'd be stupid -- so for the time being, the PSP Go isn't serving anybody any good. If that changes, that changes.
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All that I'm saying is that when all is said and done, if the system remains in the market for 2-3 years, and sells a few million units (which it inevitably will regardless of how good/bad it is perceived to be) and exponentially a few more hundred thousand copies of each game in the marketplace sell than previously would have if consumers had the option to buy a cheap used UMD version (or pirate one via custom firmware) then game developers will net more direct profits.
For all the pissing, moaning, doubt and confusion over the Go at marketplace - this scenario HURTS NOBODY, even if the Go is ultimately a failure at retail, devs are required only minimal investment to get a network download version of their software on the PSN, and they really can only serve to profit with an on-demand service like that vs. the overhead costs involved with PRINTING physical media.
The only people who have a legit gripe are the consumers who like physical media (UMDs) and like to buy/sell used software.
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A big stinking wiener, probably from the guy in the picture, right up the poophole, I would say. What does that device even represent, anyway?
Is it the DS2? Nope, not different and powerful enough for that.
Is it just a regular remodelling of the DS Lite, then? No, it's not that either, since it has features that only select games use (like the cameras and the *slightly* faster CPU), let alone the dozens of exclusive games just available through DSiWare.
Do you really need it as an owner of a DS Lite, then? No and yes. No, because it looks the same and offers no significant improvements in size or comfort, yes because now offering online distribution is obviously all the reason Nintendo needs to shift much of their DS software R&D ressources to DSiWare games.
No, because the gimmicky features of the new firmware are dispensible, yes because the firmware of the old DS models were never made to be updated (which was a mistake, simple as that) and we currently have no fucking clue how long Nintendo is still going to milk the DSi and what kinds of exclusive stuff is still to come, while the real DS2 could as well be announced as early as next year, too, and then there goes your $170 purchase.
The PSP Go doesn't actually change anything for owners of the old PSP models, since, thank god, Sony didn't mess up their old models so badly they'd pretty much be incompatible to the new one, except for only the very task of actually playing gaming software.
There's nothing the PSP Go can offer software-wise that the old models couldn't, thanks to the WISE decision to not add anything that would put full backwards and upwards compatibility into question. The fact that the Go doesn't support UMDs is something that just owners of the new PSP Go have to deal with, while the fact that the DS and DS Lite don't support DSiWare games and will even lack certain features in future games is something that everyone has to deal with who hasn't bought a DSi....
The way I see it, Nintendo is "punishing" owners of the old DS models by releasing less cartridge-based games (and what significant Nintendo games besides M&L3 and even more Pokemon were released on a DS cartridge this year?) and is rewarding the purchase of a DSi with DSiWare games and DSi-exclusive features in retail games.
What I'm saying here is that I mind the PSP Go less because at least it's not giving me a buttache.
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It's a bigger jump from DS to DSi (which IS the DS2, at least the developer kit model numbers all say that - you cannot make DSi software using the old dev kits) than it was from GameCube to Wii.
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DSi cpu = 2X more
DSi ram = 4X more
end of story
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It's pretty much just streamlining, the pspgo doesn't up much of anything, just downsizes the entire console.
@vaterunser: ps cry moar.
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All PSP's can download games from PSN store and can play UMD games at the same time. Could someone tell em if I'm missing on something that the PSP Go has to offer to videogames that the older molders don't?
The DSi however, adds new features for gamers; most important one for me is the ability to support other kinds of internet security besides WEP. DSi ware games just makes it better for me to get it (the bigger screens don't really matter much.)
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The PSP3000/Go offer a higher resolution screen?
Do you even know what the hell you're talking about?
What the PSP Go has to offer is smaller size, smaller weight (which both ARE features, much more so than new kinds of internet security), and internal memory 32 times the size of the Wii's. Some people like their so-called portable devices small in size, and would like not to deal with the huge-ass UMDs, easy as that, and just because you're not one of them doesn't mean that nobody is. One of the first things people consider when buying a cellphone is its size, yet when it comes to handheld gaming consoles, many people don't even acknowledge it as a feature...What the hell is happening now?
I exclusively play my DS Lite and Phat-PSP at home, because of their big-ass bulky size, if those devices ever leave my home, then it's in a backpack, and the DSi still has the same basic size, bulging out any opening in your clothing to the max, and then the question of where to put your games (especially, and I can't stress this enough, big-ass and fragile UMD games) is still unanswered.
The old PSPs had WPA security and access to the PSN store all along, and what they don't have now can be added via patch later (does that make the PSP Go more obsolete to you, too?), yet you use basically the same features, WPA security and access to DSi Ware games, to back up the purchase of your DSi...That's pretty weak. It's only natural that you can improve more things with every new revision if you messed up more things from the beginning, like not enabling the device for firmware updates.
And why the hell does nobody ever mention the missing GBA slot on the DSi?
There goes Sony's one try to spice up the handheld gaming market by releasing an ALTERNATIVE model that sacrifices physical media for smaller size and a whole new design approach, and instead of just thinking their part, people go on a damn witch-hunt.
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But your missing features. Here, let me school you some as in the middle of your rant, you forget them.
+Upgraded CPU.
+Upgraded Wireless.
+Upgraded RAM.
+Upgraded internal Flash Memory
+Supports SDHC cards, currently up to 32 gigs, likely to go higher.
+Smoother interface, allows limited customization
+DSi shop.
+2 Cameras.
+Upgraded screens.
+Upgraded sound chip and speakers.
+Built in Internet Browser.
+WEP and WAP2 support
+Still plays all 1000+ DS titles.
-No GBA BC.
All for $170 dollars or $40 dollars more then a DS-Lite. Now compare the added/removed
of the PSPGo which is $80 dollars more then a Core PSP 3000 series.
So you see, there's a lot more there then in your words "WPA security and access to DSi Ware games, to back up the purchase of your DSi". Research, it's a lovely thing.
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DSi slot-GBA slot.
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lalalalalala I'm the only one who can see what's really happening with these upgrades everyone else is blind to what's happening why can't they be like me and only appreciate the pspgo instead of the dsi lalalalalalalalalala hypocrite is spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
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