When Jefferson said "The price for freedom is eternal vigilance", he meant citizens being vigilant on their OWN GOVERNMENT. After all, they'd just had some tiff with their former government over in England.
@VeasnaAsclepius: If you look at it from another angle, it were meant to be vigilant against ALL enemies, foriegn and domestic.
Sometimes Government's malfeasant operators can very well be the enemy; especially if those operatives were to perform negligent duties with ill intent.
But the quote can still apply, since it refers to citizen sentinelism. The first and best people on watch are those who stand ready, regardless of who they are.
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My hopes and prayers for a speedy recovery goes to Michael Rudder and his family. The attacks were unnecessary and tragic, and here's hoping that those attackers get what they truly deserve.
On a different note, I am reminded of the saying "The Price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson.
In this day and age, there is a push to forget that there are still enemies out there that would push against any agenda of economic progress and cultures in a radical way that would include the attacking and killing of innocent bystanders to push a political-terrorist agenda. In many ways, this had succeeded. And now, we see a scenario where NO ONE had seen it coming. Not the United States, not India, NO ONE.
Laxidasical sentinalism helps no one. It certainly does not help prevent attacks, and it sure as hell does not deter it, either. It angers me to a degree that we Americans are often quick to forget, and drone towards rhetoric spewed from a political machine of both sides.
India, in my eyes, is a message drawn not just to India, but the Western Capitalist World sent in barbaric fashion to make us fearful for the way that we live. India was the perfect place to set the tone, since it occurs around one of our biggest holidays, so we are able to watch it on television, and it is an example of a booming capitalist country that is widely becoming westernized -- nevermind that it has ties to the British Empire. Being that jihadists normally speak against the "evils of western capitalism", why wouldn't they pick a place that has alot of British and American ex-pats? Why wouldn't they pick a place that is prospering off of the western capitalist way of life? Why wouldn't they try to make an example out of them; and by proxy, us?
If nothing else, this is a good reason why we must become proactive once more. Sitting back and waiting on the opponent's move is ineffective, since we give the opponent the initiative by default. At the same time, we now are in a handicap, since we are now trying to figure out their next move, which creates confusion; something that they were keen on and wanted. If we incur another terrorist attack anytime soon, we will have pandemonium on our hands, and that is ultimately what our opponent wants.
We can ill afford any of those scenarios. For the sake of a safer western capitalist World, we must immobilize them as best as possible. No pacifism will succeed in this.
Again, my hopes and prayers to Michael Rudder and his family.
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@Duoae: From a ballistic standpoint, the surgery had to be either small caliber weapons (not likely), or a speedy surgery would have to take place (more likely).
Even with the small grade weapons, one factor that musy be taken into account is "The Tumbler Effect", where the ball of the round "tumbles" around the body of the victim. In other words, if the round were to hit the right parts of the body (bones), it would richochet to other parts of the body. There are many cadavers that have shown an entry in the clavicle area exit around the lower ribcage area.
luckilly, I would imagine that he were hit in the abdominal region or legs, though the femoral artery is in the leg, and the abdominal region would produce the most shock (alot of nerves there.)
The part I am most worried about for him is the toxicity from the impact. The medical staff will have to check for sepsis often if he is hit in the abdominal region, and that can be a bitch to handle is not treated right.
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Woah! The headline made it sound like he died...he's a great voice actor. I've played all the Splinter Cell's and he always made Fisher's voice a very iconic/unique one.
@AbramKollarbear: When did "casualties" all of a sudden start meaning "dead"? It has always meant "dead or injured" and it has always been common knowledge that that's what it meant.
@AbramKollarbear: You mean, you've always just assumed it meant "dead". I really doubt the word is ever used when there's even a definite number of "dead" or "injured".
Your logic is contradictory regarding the meaning of casualty.
If "among the injured" would clearly distinguish that he was injured, then "among the DEAD" would clearly denote that he was dead. That is why there is a general term for both killed and injured. It's useful, broader classification. And it has never meant killed in America.
But I agree it was a poor choice of words in the original posting.
@Ruzi: Casualty means a person who is injured or dead. I mean, even hospitals often call their ER the "casualty department". They sure waste alot of time treating dead folks then! Why were they always rushing casualties to the 4077 in MASH? Couldn't they just take them straight to the morgue?
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Sometimes Government's malfeasant operators can very well be the enemy; especially if those operatives were to perform negligent duties with ill intent.
But the quote can still apply, since it refers to citizen sentinelism. The first and best people on watch are those who stand ready, regardless of who they are.
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quite seriously, no publicity is bad publicity! when he makes that full recovery, he'll be back and better than ever.
good luck to him!
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On a different note, I am reminded of the saying "The Price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson.
In this day and age, there is a push to forget that there are still enemies out there that would push against any agenda of economic progress and cultures in a radical way that would include the attacking and killing of innocent bystanders to push a political-terrorist agenda. In many ways, this had succeeded. And now, we see a scenario where NO ONE had seen it coming. Not the United States, not India, NO ONE.
Laxidasical sentinalism helps no one. It certainly does not help prevent attacks, and it sure as hell does not deter it, either. It angers me to a degree that we Americans are often quick to forget, and drone towards rhetoric spewed from a political machine of both sides.
India, in my eyes, is a message drawn not just to India, but the Western Capitalist World sent in barbaric fashion to make us fearful for the way that we live. India was the perfect place to set the tone, since it occurs around one of our biggest holidays, so we are able to watch it on television, and it is an example of a booming capitalist country that is widely becoming westernized -- nevermind that it has ties to the British Empire. Being that jihadists normally speak against the "evils of western capitalism", why wouldn't they pick a place that has alot of British and American ex-pats? Why wouldn't they pick a place that is prospering off of the western capitalist way of life? Why wouldn't they try to make an example out of them; and by proxy, us?
If nothing else, this is a good reason why we must become proactive once more. Sitting back and waiting on the opponent's move is ineffective, since we give the opponent the initiative by default. At the same time, we now are in a handicap, since we are now trying to figure out their next move, which creates confusion; something that they were keen on and wanted. If we incur another terrorist attack anytime soon, we will have pandemonium on our hands, and that is ultimately what our opponent wants.
We can ill afford any of those scenarios. For the sake of a safer western capitalist World, we must immobilize them as best as possible. No pacifism will succeed in this.
Again, my hopes and prayers to Michael Rudder and his family.
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I really liked his voice as the Dark Prince in PoP:WW. Shame about the actual Prince.
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Even with the small grade weapons, one factor that musy be taken into account is "The Tumbler Effect", where the ball of the round "tumbles" around the body of the victim. In other words, if the round were to hit the right parts of the body (bones), it would richochet to other parts of the body. There are many cadavers that have shown an entry in the clavicle area exit around the lower ribcage area.
luckilly, I would imagine that he were hit in the abdominal region or legs, though the femoral artery is in the leg, and the abdominal region would produce the most shock (alot of nerves there.)
The part I am most worried about for him is the toxicity from the impact. The medical staff will have to check for sepsis often if he is hit in the abdominal region, and that can be a bitch to handle is not treated right.
I also hope he's okay.
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I'm going to US this summer, I'm terrified
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I see what you did there.
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Jandlecack it is Michael Ironside who voices Sam Fisher.
Still glad he is ok... shame about the other losses.
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It has always meant a person killed or injured in war or accident. Didn't even know people thought otherwise.
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In America, at least, I have always, always heard it refer to someone who has been killed, never just injured.
I know, by definition, the sentence is just fine. But in terms of how it is interpreted, "casualty" is the wrong word.
Instead of casualties, he could have said "among the injured" and just maybe, have said somewhere in the story that he is fine and in recovery.
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Your logic is contradictory regarding the meaning of casualty.
If "among the injured" would clearly distinguish that he was injured, then "among the DEAD" would clearly denote that he was dead. That is why there is a general term for both killed and injured. It's useful, broader classification. And it has never meant killed in America.
But I agree it was a poor choice of words in the original posting.
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Casualty = Dead. Carefull with that editing Kotaku.
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fatality = dead
hence the reason hospitals have casualty wards, you americans call em Emergency Rooms!
Unless everyone they put in that room is dead meh who knows goodnight!