Too little too late. The entire RTCW and W:ET veteran fanbase have moved on. The blame lies on the leaked "beta" that was a warning to many and then the final, sorry product. Hopefully id can make up for it with a true multiplayer sequel, because that's what 3/4 of the Wolf fanbase was banking on Wolfstein to be, RTCW 2, a sequel, 2.0 but they didn't even get a 1.5. #wolfenstein
@VastShadowz41: Well this doesn't add anything to the multiplayer so it's not too little, it's nothing at all. It just fixes game bugs. I only play it for the single player but yes, from what I've heard the online is just plain bad and people have moved on already. #wolfenstein
@Alvarez: Yeah, I was even going to wait for the price to drop just to play it for the SP but now I've moved on even from that. Got Borderlands now to entertain me. :D #wolfenstein
What a fuckin joke this is..
wow ty so much for making sure your console version is tip top then release the pos afterbirth of what the pc version was then do your customers the favor of gettin'r patched up a month later so we can actually finish this pile of steaming shit...Doosh Bags.
I'm actually surprised that I found myself liking the demo on PS3. The controls were solid and the graphics were pretty good. Overall it reminded me of the original F.E.A.R. set in WW2, which is not a bad thing by any means.
The only thing I didn't like were the horrendous cutscenes. I felt like I was watching something from a PS1 game and they just learned how to use 3d programs.
@Wahrheit: Return to Castle Wolfenstein was the first full 3d game? You are aware it came out in 2001, right? The earliest full 3d game I remember playing was Cybersled. That was in 1993. Virtua Racing was released in Japan even before that and there were probably other true fully 3d games I don't remember playing.
@MurlocSniper: Not at all. He was confident it would not outsell Madden and he wouldn't have to pass out the refunds. This was a bid to increase sales, not to bankrupt himself.
@microhenry: Allow me. Hell are you talking about id has had its day? Apart from botching Doom 3, they're massive in the field of PC games, and they've been a stoic advancer of the tech behind them for over a decade. They may not be enjoying the wild sales of their inception in the 90's, due to the engorging of the FPS market, but that by no means suggests that they're on the way out - they've got a few balls in play yet
@MurlocSniper: Indeed. After Doom they made most of their money licensing engines rather than releasing games. Everybody and their kid sister licensed the Quake engine. Every new id game needs to be nothing more than a tech demo for prospective buyers.
@Nyctus: I really can't tell if you're serious, but if you are... you sound bitter. Maybe it's because you're just TOO good for football games, they're so beneath you and your amazing gamer glory.
If you couldn't tell I'm not being serious, get off your video game high horse.
@Nyctus: I don't know, a Foosball game could be pretty awesome. Controlling a bunch of guys stuck to a metal rod, spinning uncontrollable... awesome.
Also, I don't think people with Nubs could play video games very well, in general. It is possible, but much more difficult for people without fingers. So, if I was playing against someone with Nubs, that had been playing for a while, I may think twice about their suckitude.
If I had the money, I would have bought enough copies of Wolfenstein to make it outsell madden for the month. Then after he has to pay for all my copies, I would take them back to the retailers I bought them from, unopened and get a refund on every copy.
Would have been glorious.
@Neko_Tech: Most people would be glad to be related to someone who has the means to buy 1.8 million houses and 1.8 million copies of wolfenstein just to screw with one guy and a bet he made.
Wow, no free money? What a freakin' shock. Honestly, the chances were better that a meteor would strike the world and kill us all than Wolfenstein outselling Madden.
Maybe Raven Software should set their sights a bit lower next time, like outselling Mario Kart w/ Wheel (Wii). Not that it would have mattered, since Mario Kart sold 120k in units. But hey, it's a start.
@Chobes: Of course the stunt wasn't to actually outsell Madden, but I don't find it very good that they tried to drum up a few extra bucks with this gimmick.
This was one of those empty promises that would have never happened. Correction the US would have to randomly turn on football and turn into a nation that watchs video games. On top of that even with the "poor" reception of madden it still sold 2 million.
@TheNexusRebound: It was a nice publicity stunt. It's like buying that $1 lotto ticket. You're not going to win, but that $1 let's you daydream for a while. Kind of the same with this, though you get to kills nazis either way.
They should have been smart enough to not produce another Wolfenstein game, it's as bad as Sonic now. And no way it would have ever come close to outselling Madden.
The game is so dated, that it's no competition. If developers put actual money and effort behind games that would sell, we would never get these problems.
@Bialia: Though true, I think this game can't classify as one of those based on sole virtue of the fact that you're still killing Nazis in a World War II sort of time period.
@Bialia: Oh, I certainly agree. Games that are completely awesome will underperform all the time, simply because they're not something that caters to mass-market appeal.
It's as unfortunate as it is ironic, that we'll see the Call of Duty 34 out-selling something that's new and original in scores.
Case-in-point, we could look at Treasure, who often make a point of making games that twist a genre in ways that make the games a completely new and fresh experience, and are very solid and well-made to boot... And then we look at Generic WWII McFPS that comes out in the same year.
It's pretty saddening, really, that bringing these new and unique experiences goes so underappreciated by the masses, and only really does get recognized by the true conoisseurs of the gaming world.
...On the other hand, doesn't this happen with music all the time?
From refund to bargain bin, then. It's sad for the people who lost their jobs.
106,000 is shockingly low. I would have thought the Wolfenstein name alone would be enough to shift at least half a million copies. Is the entire FPS crowd holding out for MW2?
EDIT - I took a quick look at Wolfenstein torrents over at Mininova, but the top 2 results were downloaded "only" 60,000+ times each.
Even assuming that every single download is a lost sale (which we all know isn't even remotely true), it still wouldn't be great. I guess there just never was much interest in this game.
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wow ty so much for making sure your console version is tip top then release the pos afterbirth of what the pc version was then do your customers the favor of gettin'r patched up a month later so we can actually finish this pile of steaming shit...Doosh Bags.
I love being a pc gamer.. #wolfenstein
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The only thing I didn't like were the horrendous cutscenes. I felt like I was watching something from a PS1 game and they just learned how to use 3d programs.
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There is no hook to it anymore. Re-hash Wolfenstein into something more realistic, not supernatural over-technology wherever you look.
Yes, original had undead cyborgs and robotic suits and ghosts, but they didn't hijack the game.
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i think this will describe the situation.
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WHO CARES?
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Thanks for not flaming ^_^
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If you couldn't tell I'm not being serious, get off your video game high horse.
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Also, I don't think people with Nubs could play video games very well, in general. It is possible, but much more difficult for people without fingers. So, if I was playing against someone with Nubs, that had been playing for a while, I may think twice about their suckitude.
09/11/09
Would have been glorious.
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Why do people have to drag me down with reality?
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However boring life you do not.
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Maybe Raven Software should set their sights a bit lower next time, like outselling Mario Kart w/ Wheel (Wii). Not that it would have mattered, since Mario Kart sold 120k in units. But hey, it's a start.
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I guess desperate folks get stupid some days.
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The game is so dated, that it's no competition. If developers put actual money and effort behind games that would sell, we would never get these problems.
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It's as unfortunate as it is ironic, that we'll see the Call of Duty 34 out-selling something that's new and original in scores.
Case-in-point, we could look at Treasure, who often make a point of making games that twist a genre in ways that make the games a completely new and fresh experience, and are very solid and well-made to boot... And then we look at Generic WWII McFPS that comes out in the same year.
It's pretty saddening, really, that bringing these new and unique experiences goes so underappreciated by the masses, and only really does get recognized by the true conoisseurs of the gaming world.
...On the other hand, doesn't this happen with music all the time?
It's like an artform rite-of-passage, no?
09/11/09
You will get shit on for no reason. Now have fun out there! :p
09/11/09
106,000 is shockingly low. I would have thought the Wolfenstein name alone would be enough to shift at least half a million copies. Is the entire FPS crowd holding out for MW2?
EDIT - I took a quick look at Wolfenstein torrents over at Mininova, but the top 2 results were downloaded "only" 60,000+ times each.
Even assuming that every single download is a lost sale (which we all know isn't even remotely true), it still wouldn't be great. I guess there just never was much interest in this game.
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