Platinum and Thoroughbred... why does it sound like they are talking about Pokemon and horse races rather than rape/sexual training games.
...........oh....Gotta catch 'em all then use them for racing! :D -shot- *insider humor*
So, all the protesting did, was just push this underground. Right? Congratulations ladies, there are no longer "rape games" in Japan, but may I interested you in some "Platinum" activities?
@jamBot: Honestly if the whole point of all the protest and all that was to make these games less available to "young people" I would clap and say "bravo way to look out for the kids". (well maybe not that exactly.. but you know)
But instead they tried to tell adults across an ocean what they cannot fantasize about.
Strange that it seems that "banning" it didn't make it go away.
but whatever.. Out of sight out of mind right?
Well at least until [WOMEN'S MAGAZINE] does some sort of expose on Thoroughbred games and how its destroying cartoon women's rights.
What is it with the Japanese and their rape-fetishes? Seriously? I've never lived there, I've never even visited there, all the info I have on Japan is gleaned from the Internet... so while my initial question may have seemed rhetorical; it genuinely wasn't. What's the deal?
I know that Japanese people (older generations at least, my age and up) lead very strict and stringent lives... does that contribute? Does living a life of forced structure and strict tradition repress these urges to the point where rape simulators are something that require a plural description?!
@HeadspaceCools: As a foreign female in Japan I'm just about the last person you'd turn to for a spirited defense of anything Japanese. (Anyone have a plane? I could really use a plane. Or a boat. Or a combination of the two.) But in the interests of not being crass...I don't know that a statement like "living a life of forced structure and strict tradition" could be trusted to aptly sum up any one culture. Certainly, as in most cultures, the older people engender a greater respect for anything slapped with the label of authenticity and tradition, regardless of the truth of the claim.
But if you go past a block of wanted posters here--or, in the Japanese embassy/consulates over there--by and large, the people perpetrating these horrendous crimes are younger guys. The rape, the torture--it's those members of a generation largely bemoaned to be lacking "tradition" in any number of ways (work ethic, group orientation, reproduction, etc.) who are doing it. So I don't think that blaming a popular stereotyped view (not that it sounds like you meant it in harm, but it _is_ a stereotype) which in fact encompasses only a certain part of the culture--and not the part committing the crimes--for this fascination with brutality, works.
To be fair, it's getting attention because the international media got tired of the economy and swine flu turns out not to be the killer plague everyone thought it was. And we continue to hear about it after more popular media has turned away from it, because we read Kotaku. This particular instance of this particular sick cultural fascination just happens to fall into the gaming category, so we see it. But people are sick all over. It's not an excuse...but it is a perspective.
@HeadspaceCools: Maybe it's just me, but I correlate Japan's freedom of expression of these games with the fact that Japan has the least amount of rape.
@Nick Hagman: Actually, it's believed that Japan has a much higher rape rate than reported because the culture is so hostile to women who are rape victims that most go unreported.
@Nick Hagman: That seems something of a stretch. Not enough people play these games for them to affect a national average. And I'll leave it to the people with the numbers, who piled in on former posts about this game, to remind you of the gross misrepresentation of rape as a cultural malaise "we somehow managed to miss, guys, look!" in cultures where the reporting of such cases is actively discouraged. It's not because Japanese guys beat off to virtual rape. It's because anyone from your mother to your best friend will tell you it's better just to not say anything about it. So no one does.
@Rebochan: And...beaten to the point. Well, thank you. This must have gone in as I was still typing my reply, or I wouldn't have set myself up to be redundant. >.< Apologies!
@HeadspaceCools: You do of course realize that rape fantasies are one of the, if not the most common fantasy amongst women, yes?
A desire to feel desired is built into most of humanity. Someone desiring you so much that they simply won't take no as an answer is an intense, extreme example of desire. Rape is certainly not right, but if you throw in informed consent or fantasy and it stops being rape and starts being just fun.
Games are not reality. Games are fun. The sooner we realize that games are no more real than fictional TV shows like 24 or Doctor Who and stop trying to police them, the better.
@Moleculor: You must not be a woman.
Rape is a fairly more common thing than people realize. Roughly 1/4th of my female friends and former girlfriends have admitted to being raped, often from being drugged/fed too much alcohol or family members. Only one ever went to the police about it, and that's because they cut her throat afterwords.
So, this is no statistical analysis, but roughly 90% of rapes that I've personally heard of have never been reported. It's embarassing, and using a male's perspective of a friend who's been in prison, it's fairly dehumanizing and painful.
Of course, people will justify anything as long as they enjoy it. "Women have rape fantasies, so they must enjoy it." Brilliant. Go explain your theory to your female friends and see what they say. You'll be lucky if you have any afterward.
@Paul_Is_Drunk: You didn't read my post. I did not say "Women have rape fantasies, so they must enjoy it". Try reading it again.
To reword a somewhat common saying amongst the less sexually repressed, "The willing can't be raped."
Rape means you're not willing. Rape is wrong.
FANTASY rape, ROLEPLAYing rape... those things are not rape, and therefore not wrong. A game is a fantasy, and therefore not wrong.
So if rape is "platinum" does that make S&M "gold" and tentacles "silver?" Considering the vast variety of sexual fetishes catered to by the various genres of hentai, what would regular sex be? Tin?
You know, when the japanese tried to censor penetration, the world got tentacle porn. Do they really want to poke this bear? Because this can't possibly end with anything good.
Ahh Japanese, they always find a work around. Just like Japanese porn, the censor in it is just enough but you can actually see everything (or maybe i have a really good imagination).
From what I understand, the whole 'posing' battle system was created because violence is one of the things that is now completely censored, and if the game is 'erotic', it can't also be 'violent'.
Imagine if Conan won over all those sexy nekkid ladies not because of his battle prowess, but because of his flexing abilities?
From what I've read of the game, if you lose the pose-off, the female "heros" rape the guy to absorb his essence! Where are the FemNazis to save this poor soul from having his, errrr, "essence" drained by a bunch of . . . half naked . . . large breasted . . . women . . . Wait, what was this post about?
A little side note, it's not really frowned apone for companies and people to use art inspired by or directly ripped form other companies games/anime or general media. They don't normally copyright every single aspect of their products, some times none at all. This is how doujin got very popular among japanese teenagers and adults, without the limitations of the publisher fans are able to display their favorate characters in any act. This is acutally how hentai games became very popular, small software companies stole characters and made them into graphic novel type games. Illusions background of games range from everything, fighting games, simulations, dressup, to full doujin software. Hard to say, but if i had to guess from their last release it's probably 2-3 years in the making. I'm sort of disappointed in the fact that rape simulators have been banned in japan, not because I advocate it but because it sort of throws a wrench in their freedoms. Rape is a vile act, but so is murder and we play hundreds of games a year in which we are allowed to kill, torture or brutally murder several people at once. Art is art, once we as people realize if we don't like it we don't need to play it, the sooner we'll grow the hell up.
@Rynetx: Yes, the whole doujin* scene in Japan is seen as very beneficial to the industry. Most companies happily overlook small-scale copyright violations like this as a way of growing the fanbase and encouraging new blood into the industry. There's also a lot of goodwill that comes from it. I personally wish this model was more popular in the rest of the world.
* roughly translates to a circle of people sharing a common interest.
@Sooku: Yeah it's not too surprising. There's a lot of good comments being overlooked and plenty of inane ramblings from stars or being promoted by them. If it keeps up like this I'm personally going to leave in the near future.
@MattB: I really do find it insane that just for using one companies character likeness in america can lead to a million dollar lawsuit. Of course that's only unless you intend to parody it, and althought that brings out some good work the best work is when new minds are allowed to take the character traits they've seen inside a character and change the events of the story, or spin off an entirely new side story from it. I might be the only one, but I feel american comic book scene could benefit from this adopting this free rights.
Does anybody else think that the name, "Rapelay" is a horrible, horrible name? Not only because of the tastelessness of its subject matter, but because it's just a really, really bad name? I mean, the dev thought process must have been like this:
Let's pretend I'm making a puzzle game. It's about puzzles, so I want "puzzle" to be in there somehow. Now all I have to do is add a couple letters onto the end of it or something. "Puzzlay".
@gold163 (° д° ): Well it makes sense, they did invent a rape game:/ From there to coming up with a uninspired name is just.. natural? At least "normal" porno usually has some pretty funny names, but I guess you can't really make a name funny with the word rape in it.
@gold163 (° д° ): Rapelay = Replay. That's the wit inherent. It's supposed to have really good replay value... I suppose because rape never gets old? But yeah, I thought it was a bad title too.
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was starred
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was unstarred
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was starred
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was unstarred
@Dangeresque the Observer: It doesn't say anywhere that the main character is a rapist. Just because they made Rapelay doesn't mean all their games are rape centered.
Besides, I'm pretty sure the title is a Japanese play on words. I think. Maybe.
@Sooku: I took two years of Japanese in college... and I'm pretty sure it's not a play on words. Then again, only two years. "Escape" wasn't really covered.
I know not all their games are rape centered, but come on... that title. Again, why would you need to escape from the hero of a hentai game, unless he was trying to rape you? Just deductive reasoning.
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was starred
Dangeresque (Kojima-san doesn't have to make Metal Gear any more) was unstarred
@Dangeresque the Observer: wait, if were talking rapelay, i thought that game didnt portray the main character as a "hero" of any kind, given the 2 bad endings.
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...........oh....Gotta catch 'em all then use them for racing! :D -shot- *insider humor*
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But instead they tried to tell adults across an ocean what they cannot fantasize about.
Strange that it seems that "banning" it didn't make it go away.
but whatever.. Out of sight out of mind right?
Well at least until [WOMEN'S MAGAZINE] does some sort of expose on Thoroughbred games and how its destroying cartoon women's rights.
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I know that Japanese people (older generations at least, my age and up) lead very strict and stringent lives... does that contribute? Does living a life of forced structure and strict tradition repress these urges to the point where rape simulators are something that require a plural description?!
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But if you go past a block of wanted posters here--or, in the Japanese embassy/consulates over there--by and large, the people perpetrating these horrendous crimes are younger guys. The rape, the torture--it's those members of a generation largely bemoaned to be lacking "tradition" in any number of ways (work ethic, group orientation, reproduction, etc.) who are doing it. So I don't think that blaming a popular stereotyped view (not that it sounds like you meant it in harm, but it _is_ a stereotype) which in fact encompasses only a certain part of the culture--and not the part committing the crimes--for this fascination with brutality, works.
To be fair, it's getting attention because the international media got tired of the economy and swine flu turns out not to be the killer plague everyone thought it was. And we continue to hear about it after more popular media has turned away from it, because we read Kotaku. This particular instance of this particular sick cultural fascination just happens to fall into the gaming category, so we see it. But people are sick all over. It's not an excuse...but it is a perspective.
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A desire to feel desired is built into most of humanity. Someone desiring you so much that they simply won't take no as an answer is an intense, extreme example of desire. Rape is certainly not right, but if you throw in informed consent or fantasy and it stops being rape and starts being just fun.
Games are not reality. Games are fun. The sooner we realize that games are no more real than fictional TV shows like 24 or Doctor Who and stop trying to police them, the better.
08/04/09
Rape is a fairly more common thing than people realize. Roughly 1/4th of my female friends and former girlfriends have admitted to being raped, often from being drugged/fed too much alcohol or family members. Only one ever went to the police about it, and that's because they cut her throat afterwords.
So, this is no statistical analysis, but roughly 90% of rapes that I've personally heard of have never been reported. It's embarassing, and using a male's perspective of a friend who's been in prison, it's fairly dehumanizing and painful.
Of course, people will justify anything as long as they enjoy it. "Women have rape fantasies, so they must enjoy it." Brilliant. Go explain your theory to your female friends and see what they say. You'll be lucky if you have any afterward.
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To reword a somewhat common saying amongst the less sexually repressed, "The willing can't be raped."
Rape means you're not willing. Rape is wrong.
FANTASY rape, ROLEPLAYing rape... those things are not rape, and therefore not wrong. A game is a fantasy, and therefore not wrong.
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Tentacle Bear Poking: Thoroughbred Trainer Edition
Cumming Holiday 2009
Are you ready to Dare the Bear?™
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Imagine if Conan won over all those sexy nekkid ladies not because of his battle prowess, but because of his flexing abilities?
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What Does happen when you win though?
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If you win you get to stab her.
Definitely win-win.
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And yet, they still haven't made a game with women that don't creep me the fuck out. Look in their eyes...they're dead inside.
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* roughly translates to a circle of people sharing a common interest.
@Sooku: Yeah it's not too surprising. There's a lot of good comments being overlooked and plenty of inane ramblings from stars or being promoted by them. If it keeps up like this I'm personally going to leave in the near future.
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Let's pretend I'm making a puzzle game. It's about puzzles, so I want "puzzle" to be in there somehow. Now all I have to do is add a couple letters onto the end of it or something. "Puzzlay".
God that's such a dumb name.
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Well I seriously doubt the people who buy rape simulators are worried about what they're called.
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... fuck.
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You disappoint me, Japan. Rape is bad enough without you portraiting the rapist as a good guy.
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Besides, I'm pretty sure the title is a Japanese play on words. I think. Maybe.
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I know not all their games are rape centered, but come on... that title. Again, why would you need to escape from the hero of a hentai game, unless he was trying to rape you? Just deductive reasoning.
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Also, I accidentally read "knocking off other companies" as "knocking up other companies". @_@