Yeah, maybe we should only make games about white people. It used to be racist to NOT have anyone but white people now it's racist to have anyone not white. I'm confused.......wait, maybe they are.
ARG AGAIN??? USING A BLACK PERSON = RACISM, USING A GIRL = SEXISM. F*** THIS S***. hypocritical crap. the representation of non-majority groups that is NOT derogatory is NOT wrong.
Halfway through Resident Evil 5, I had a discussion about this very topic with my friends.
Half of us are in marketing, the other half in music, teaching, and general commercial art.
We came to the conclusion that, whether the game creators intended to be racist or not, there is no such thing as bad publicity. People are talking about the game, and are therefore more likely to pick it up "just to see what all the hub is about."
Besides, if someone, anyone, is touchy enough to be offended, then at least it still confirms that people care enough to be touchy about what should still be a touchy subject,..
...........do colors and places even fucking matter i want a great game with all kinds of people,i hope they don't turn this into a R5 kind of discussion.
Anything nowadays is considered racist. Left 4 Dead 2 is not racist, and i think that the only games that should be considered racist are the ones that have killing, black, and people one after the other in the title. And for the Katrina thing, if a zombie apocalypse happened it wouldnt say "oh lets skip New Orleans, it got hit by a hurricane not too recently". NO! The apocalypse wouldnt have any simpathy for anywhere. So dont freak out about every time a white guy kills a black guy. If you saw a black zombie running at you, wouldnt you shoot it? and not because its black, but because its a zombie that wants to eat you.
I agree with Destructoid's comment...I am SICK AND FRAKKING TIRED OF ALL THE RACISM CLAIMS!!! look, if we would quit trying to find racism everywhere we could all get passed our sordid past. Look racism is wrong. I think we, as a species, have gotten this idea into the majority. Yeah there are still some dumb people out there that think one race is superior, etc. I think those people can take a literal long walk off a short pier. If you removed all the false racism claims, I bet you would find that most races are getting along better than they ever have before. I was raised to believe in freedom and equality and I think more often than not it is those guilty of racism that tend to point it out in other places, to cast the view away from them.
i think its utterly ridiculous that games like left for dead and such are always targeted with the "racist" or "offensive" card when games like 50 cents blood on the sand and other games that just take the pseudo black culture ( niggas hoes bentlys and such) and just allow them to culiminate get no reprimand its honestly retarded.
The whole race in games thing needs to stop. Games are a story telling medium, and if a developer is questioned every time they make a story telling or stylistic decision that involves race, they may become more hesitant to try new things and push boundaries for the medium.
Games are a young format, and they are just beginning to find their voice. There were much more objectionable films made that today are considered very important despite their objectionable content. Look at Birth of a Nation or Triumph of the Will.
If game developers are being harassed every time they make a "non-traditional" casting or setting choice, and still chided for not being diverse enough, how can we expect the medium that we love to grow? We must let the industry get through it's growing pains if we ever want it to be taken seriously as a format for telling thoughtful and important stories on the same level as books and film.
Katrina didn't mess up new orleans. Crappy levees that should have been fixed ages ago messed up new orleans. Katrina's eye wall passed through Mississippi. There are towns in Mississippi that were completely decimated. But, thanks to the media, no one even heard about that...
As for the racism bit, you can't win, I'm sorry. Either you're going to be racist for -not- having black people in a game, or you're going to be racist for having them in the game because there's always some quirk or stereotype. I just find if funny that no one complained about us shooting white zombies in the first game, heh.
Grow some thick skin people. There are more important things to worry about...
I hope Book of Eli gets a game. Maybe that won't be considered racist.
Not to mention this is a fictional world timeline - it could be 2002, it could be 2030. Katrina is utterly irrelevant here. New Orleans is still suffering the effects, but the city still exists, and did exist before the hurricane - to shy away from any reference to it would be the real mistake.
Honestly, I find the Special Infected more offensive than the black zombies (and I don't find the black zombies offensive at all). The Spitter and Charger (once known as "Hillbilly Tank") both seem rather typical of the ignorant southerner sterotype, and I don't hear anyone upset about that. I suppose it all goes along with the approved victims thing; make fun of southerners all you want, but hands off anyone who isn't white! People have gotten way over sensative.
@bowen13: And the Smoker is reflective of tobacco users, boomer of gluttony, hunter of the chemically imbalanced rapist or sexual predator, the tank of a fellow that was on steroids before getting turned and the witch is based on a woman menstruating when she got infected and the effects carrying over.
I presume the spitter is based on the environmental defacer (you know a guy that spits, tobacco or just spit, every two minutes or so? I do.) and the charger is just a mini-tank, presumably under less than optimal circumstances for change.
This stuff has always been here since the first game.
How come we never hear about black people complaining about too many white characters in games? "I'm tired of shooting white people." Uh-huh. And everyone would be upset about making every game character white, since someone would get upset at the poor representation of ethnicities in video games. Nor would it be all that popular to make black protagonists shooting all-white enemies. That would scream "racist" too, wouldn't it?
Game companies are doing the best they can to please everyone. It's not their fault if there are always people who take things the wrong way or see malice where there is none.
@andrewwyatt: While we're at this, I like add more racist complaints of absolutely NO asians in either L4D versions. You don't get to even shoot asians much less BE an asian survivor. All I get to do is take my karate classes, draw manga, and eat my ramen.
Oooh... hey. I'll have a nice cup. Thanks, SuperZombieMonkey!
The problem with the GameHacks blog article, was that the writer felt that Hurricane Katrina was a black only event, that Katrina itself was racist.
If you read the original article, he has nothing to link the game to racism other than Katrina. He could have accused Valve of insensitivity, the imagery of a destroyed New Orleans may be to close for comfort to those who suffered.
What he could never do, but did anyway, was accuse Hurrican Katrina of being racist. His argument is borderline racist in itself, his logic devoid of understanding.
I'd just like to say, being from and still living in New Orleans, that both my friends and I think it is great that our city is going to be featured in this game. No one down here is bitching about blacks or Katrina being included (or excluded) in the game. All we are talking about is shooting the shit out of zombies in the French Quarter and wondering if one of the hideouts will be a bar or strip club on Bourbon.
It's well known that as a result of white flight, New Orleans is now HEAVILY populated by blacks. If you want to display a white/creole New Orleans, you'd better have it set before the 1920's. If you are doing present day N.O., you will have a large amount of black zombies/characters/whatever. Modifying the content of the game to lessen the amount of blacks to appear less racist is in itself the most racist thing you can do. Also, I can't name a single person in this city who'd want the in-game representation of our famous city to be set as the 2 year fucked-up aftermath of Katrina. If we'd wanted New Orleans to be portrayed like that, we woudn't be fixing up the damn city.
We'd also like to request that the rest of the nation (or in this poster's case: other posters) stay off of their period whenever the subject matter is brought up. You don't have to get offended FOR us. We're perfectly capable of trolling when we want to.
In short: Quit bitching and let the good times roll!
@Bardock44: We'd also like for people to stop using the "get off your period"/PMS jokes unless you're talking about a menstruating woman. If this guy is actually having a period, he's in even bigger trouble than just being an idiot.
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Half of us are in marketing, the other half in music, teaching, and general commercial art.
We came to the conclusion that, whether the game creators intended to be racist or not, there is no such thing as bad publicity. People are talking about the game, and are therefore more likely to pick it up "just to see what all the hub is about."
Besides, if someone, anyone, is touchy enough to be offended, then at least it still confirms that people care enough to be touchy about what should still be a touchy subject,..
So really, it's a win/win!
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Games are a young format, and they are just beginning to find their voice. There were much more objectionable films made that today are considered very important despite their objectionable content. Look at Birth of a Nation or Triumph of the Will.
If game developers are being harassed every time they make a "non-traditional" casting or setting choice, and still chided for not being diverse enough, how can we expect the medium that we love to grow? We must let the industry get through it's growing pains if we ever want it to be taken seriously as a format for telling thoughtful and important stories on the same level as books and film.
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As for the racism bit, you can't win, I'm sorry. Either you're going to be racist for -not- having black people in a game, or you're going to be racist for having them in the game because there's always some quirk or stereotype. I just find if funny that no one complained about us shooting white zombies in the first game, heh.
Grow some thick skin people. There are more important things to worry about...
I hope Book of Eli gets a game. Maybe that won't be considered racist.
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I presume the spitter is based on the environmental defacer (you know a guy that spits, tobacco or just spit, every two minutes or so? I do.) and the charger is just a mini-tank, presumably under less than optimal circumstances for change.
This stuff has always been here since the first game.
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Game companies are doing the best they can to please everyone. It's not their fault if there are always people who take things the wrong way or see malice where there is none.
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Oooh... hey. I'll have a nice cup. Thanks, SuperZombieMonkey!
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If you read the original article, he has nothing to link the game to racism other than Katrina. He could have accused Valve of insensitivity, the imagery of a destroyed New Orleans may be to close for comfort to those who suffered.
What he could never do, but did anyway, was accuse Hurrican Katrina of being racist. His argument is borderline racist in itself, his logic devoid of understanding.
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It's well known that as a result of white flight, New Orleans is now HEAVILY populated by blacks. If you want to display a white/creole New Orleans, you'd better have it set before the 1920's. If you are doing present day N.O., you will have a large amount of black zombies/characters/whatever. Modifying the content of the game to lessen the amount of blacks to appear less racist is in itself the most racist thing you can do. Also, I can't name a single person in this city who'd want the in-game representation of our famous city to be set as the 2 year fucked-up aftermath of Katrina. If we'd wanted New Orleans to be portrayed like that, we woudn't be fixing up the damn city.
We'd also like to request that the rest of the nation (or in this poster's case: other posters) stay off of their period whenever the subject matter is brought up. You don't have to get offended FOR us. We're perfectly capable of trolling when we want to.
In short: Quit bitching and let the good times roll!
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