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japanese GTA = yakuza
british GTA= gangs of london
they should make a Canadian GTA. guns would be hard to find but if you die the hospital is free.
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So to sum up the only people to blame for the current situtation is ourselves for clicking on the damn link whenever an anouncement announcement is made.
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For example,
Here is the debut trailer of GTA, we will be talking more about it next month at TGS.
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Srsly though, to steal a line of thought from the PC Gamer Podcast crew, the first Tomb Raider was a smashing success. The second was really good too. The third was good. The fourth... eh. The fifth? Bleh. Eventually it got so bad they had to reboot the franchise. Why? Oversaturation of the market of the same kind of gameplay. (This thought-line really is -stolen- as I never played the first... seven? However many Tomb Raiders beyond about five minutes. Though I did play a chunk of the remake of the first one. I rather liked it.)
Announcing GTA5 so 'soon' after GTA4 (and its subsequent expansion packs/DLC/addons/whatever) can only lead to a saturation of the market. Plus... hello?! They had #3 on the PS2/Xbox generation. They had #4 on the PS3/360 generation. Lets follow this line of reasoning, shall we?
(PS: The stolen line of thought from the PCG Podcast? It's somewhat surprising that they (the PCG crew) don't apply that same line of thought to L4D2, and instead constantly chide folk for being bothered by L4D2's release so soon after L4D. Same gameplay so soon after? Oversaturation.)
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Or the two will be worked on in tandem. Hard to tell.
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Maybe Bobby(satan) over at Analvision should look to take-two to see how it's done.
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I didn't like the city, the missions, the driving...the only part of GTA4 I liked was free mode online, and evne then it would've been exceptionally better had the driving and city been more fun.
I want a true follow up. Where is San Andreas, but with a new city, pretty graphics, and all the features?
Until they do what everyone expected, and make a huge wacky game with ice cream truck bombs and tying people to the hood of your car and an annoying girl with an annnoying accent, I guess I'm stuck with Saints Row 2(the closest thing possible), but I've played the hell out of that...
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GTA4 was painfully boring, and lacking nearly all the heart and charm that the three PS2 installments had in DROVES. Bring on San Andreas Plus.
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I enjoyed it for a week, but then the problems and missing things started to become more obvious, and I ended up trading it in. I couldn't stand it after that initial hype wore off. :\
Then I got Saints Row 2 and it was basically everything I was hoping GTA4 would be.
I would love a not-so-orange awesome-graphics remake of San Andreas, though...hell, take GTA3, VC, and SA and mix em together and give us a new game with new graphics using those cities.
I can dream ;-;
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IV went agains the whole original foundations the games were built on, mindless violent freedom, none of which were really present in IV.
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GTA4, on the other hand, seemed to discourage random chaos; it was harder to escape the cops, the Tank and Apache were gone, there were no hidden weapons, and it was incredibly difficult to sustain any sort of rampage for too long.
I remember back in college, my friends and I used to have competitions to see who could last the longest in a sustained chaotic killing spree; as soon as one of us died, we'd pass the controller to the next guy and they'd try.
You just can't do that as effectively in 4 because there's just not as much to do, and not as many tools to do it with.
I think Rockstar just tried too hard to make the world feel realistic, and they did it at the expense of the heart and soul of the series. They can fix it though; BAGT seems to be adding back some of the stuff I missed...it's just a shame Microsoft had to go and pay for the exclusive. Jerks.
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That lasted maybe a couple days to a week.
I feel I got my moneys worth with IV, not so much the previous entries. Maybe they should have packaged it as another title.
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@Archaotic: What I think has a big impact on it is, well, look at the city.
Imagine those buildings, without textures. It's basically a bunch of rectangles. That's not a city, that's not a game environment. It's just a bunch of senseless obstacles. I don't know if this will make sense, but if you took the textures off San Andreas, you're gonna have more fun with it, and it'll seem more sensible. Probably because it's not all big buildings. They're less barriers and more buildings. GTA4 seems to confine you to the roads. The other GTAs don't, to anywhere near the same extent.
And while I talk about the city itself, I want to ask- what is up with GTA(whole series) and shop windows? Real photos of real windows with real reflections that don't match anything in-game, compressed to terrible quality, and repeated incessantly? That aggrivated me a lot in GTA4. In this gen, that's unacceptable. In particular I remember a corner store that had a door texture that was not only at the wrong angle(the floor inside seemed to be going up at a 45 degree angle), but the door was twice the height of Niko!
Little things like that damaged even the exploration aspect.
Whereas san Andreas had so much exploration that clunkers would spawn in the woods just in case you got lost/stuck. :\
It just all seemed...fake.
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The level of exploration, experimentation, and immersion in San Andreas was unlike anything else in the series before or after it; the fact it had actual local co-op only made things even better.
I hope Rockstar keeps that in mind when making GTA5.
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Then Vice City came out, played it quite a bit, enjoyed the new stuff, and finally did everything in the game. Finally comes San Andreas. By the time it came out, everything just had a nice, big "been there, done that" sticker slapped on it.
The story was great, the new features were awesome, and I could tell it was the best GTA entry to date. Yet any and all motivation to keep playing it was lost 'cause it all just felt the same. That, and so much of the new stuff felt pointless. A triathlon contest? Really? There was very little point to do any of it.
Then finally, GTA4 comes along and it's an absolute breath of fresh air. The game has been more streamlined with a lot of the crap cut out and given a nice coat of paint to separate it from previous entries.
If 4 didn't reinvent itself, it would've been miserable. Who the hell wants to play the same game they've already played with only a few new features added to it? *Looks at Halo and Dynasty Warriors fans* . . . Oh.
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You may have thought it was stale, but the millions of sales and rave reviews San Andreas got show otherwise.
However a counter would be "GTA4 got just as good reviews, if not better!" but I am just gonna outright say that that was the hype train pulling into station. 10/10 reviews all over the day the game comes out are not a good indication of quality. :\
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But yeah, I would love to see Vice City and San Andreas redone on IV's engine, with the crazy weapons/kill frenzies/bullet time pills. Just imagining San Andreas redone in the sheer detail of IV's Liberty City makes me giddy.
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I'm not saying San Andreas was bad by any stretch of the imagination. I even stated that, at that time, it was obviously the best in the GTA series. All I'm saying is, if you played GTA3 and VC extensively, SA can really get bogged down in that "more of the same" feeling that other rehashed franchises experience.
A lot of people didn't play a GTA game 'til VC or SA, or they didn't play the previous entries 'til after SA, so it's obviously not that way for everyone. If if you play them extensively though, all in succession, I don't see how you can say SA doesn't feel stale by the time you near the end of it.
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Now none of this is to say it's a bad game because it isn't, it has high production values and is loved by many people but just for me personally and by the sounds of it others too just find it a shift away from what we want and expect from GTA.
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Otherwise I agree with you. 4 was meh. It was fun for a week or two and then the hype and surface charm drifted off and left a rather shallow core. Vice City/San Andreas style and gameplay in a NYC setting would have been absolutely perfect. Hopefully 5 will hit the mark whenever it comes out.
EDIT: I just wanted to add, I'm not saying the level design worked for the game, but in the vein of the "realistic" GTA they were going for, I think they hit the mark suprisingly well. NYC is a big city to tackle.
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No, 10/10 reviews basically means that the game is shite, basically stripped of quality. You're actually saying that GTA: SA was a better game because it didn't get as good reviews..?
Define quality for me, would you?
I loved GTAIV. Things I liked about it:
the graphics, the voice acting, the cutscenes, the city, the driving (it took a while to get used to in the start but after that - driving was a blast) the missions, the plot, the people (those that were relevant to the plot), everything all those "random" people in the city did - like using cell phones etc. (it may sound stupid, but it kinda made it feel like a real city).
I'll admit that it wasn't as hysterical as GTA: SA, but it was several times better (imo). And don't get me wrong, I liked SA too. In fact, I have one of my best gaming moments from that game. But to me, GTAIV just is BETTER.
And why are you guys complaining..? Go play Saints Row, it looks to me that you guys wanted R* to make that game instead. I would pick GTAIV over SR 10 out of 10 times. #grand
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Define quality for me, would you?
What the hell comments are you reading? #grand
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That street...I got so damn sick of seeing that street. #grand
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IMO we will see a new GTA in Q1 2011.
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And here comes Pachter stealing my prediction. Whoooosh! There he goes.
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@Franky_AAA:
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Pachter: "SONY IS WORKING ON THE NEXT PLAYSTATION!!"
Everyone else: OH MY GOD YOU ARE A GENIUS. HAVE MONEY!
Pachter: "A SUCCESSFUL GAME DEVELOPER IS WORKING ON THE NEXT GAME IN A LONG RUNNING FRANCHISE THAT HAS MADE THEM LOTS OF MONEY!"
Everyone else: WOW! WE NEVER COULD HAVE PREDICTED THAT. MORE MONEY FOR YOU!
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I hate Pachter too. A damn chimp could do his job.
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Also, while the combat engine in GTA IV was light years ahead of previous installments, it still isn't good enough to make an entire game around.
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I didn't approve this, what's going on with the star system lately?
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