i dont drink and drive but i fully understand why people do. people need to go out and socialise and in most p[laces public transport is shit, dangerous and runs until about midnight. Taxis are outrageously expensive and will easily tripple the cost of a night out and combined with babysitting costs (if applicable) it is near on impossible for adult to go out and enjoy themselves for less then £100 if, like me, you live in the suburbs.
The real problem is the fact that the government does nothing to improve the contributing factors that cause a decent hard-working person to get into a situation that leads to this. yes there are alternative but for those alternatives have no appeal (ie designated driver etc).
I do feel bad for the innocent parties in these crimes but no amount of punishment will bring anyone back or prevent anyone from drinking and driving...since people rarely think of consequences when drunk anyway. The best solution is to invest in alternative means of low cost evening travel....no one needs to drive...no one dies!
@pinshot: Drunk driving is the government's fault? You've got to be fucking kidding me. There's a stereotype that Europeans want to absolve themselves of any personal responsibility, and what do you know, here it is.
The guy and unfortunately the people with him were dumbasses and it ended in tragedy. They're lucky no one else in another car or walking on the sidewalk were hurt as well.
@pinshot: WAAAAAHHHHHHH I am incapable of any form of self-control how come the government doesn't protect me?
Here's an idea - PUBLIC TRANSIT. Too cheap? Here's another - DESIGNATED DRIVER. No friends? Here's one - WALK HOME OR STAY THE NIGHT. Too far? DON'T DRINK.
No sorry. Drinking and driving is one thing I have zero tolerance for. Your desire to socialize does not supersede the right of others to... you know... live. If you have a DUI ONCE. That's right ONCE. Your license should be permanently revoked. And if you're ever caught behind the wheel of a car again you should serve 10 - 15. Drinking and driving is not like speeding or driving without a tail light. It doesn't happen by accident. You make a choice to put peoples lives at risk. And if you're so completely egotistical that you would EVER think of doing that just so you can socialize your ass deserves to be hauled off the road (and more to the point, dumped in a ditch where no one will ever find you.)
@pinshot: My best friend's step-sister was killed when a drunk driver smashed into her car, which was completely totalled. This was the SECOND time that same driver had killed someone.
Don't you dare tell me that it's the government's fault.
@viiless, Wolfrider31, Kovitlac: Did I miss the bit where pinshot said that drunk-driving is the government's fault? (S)he just offered up the idea that maybe if the government invested in more cheap public transport at times when drunk-driving is a high risk it might curb the problem.
I'm sorry, but that sounds fairly sensible to me.
"WAAAAAHHHHHHH I am incapable of any form of self-control how come the government doesn't protect me?" It's not the drunk drivers that need protecting... it's the other people out on the same roads.
Don't Drink and Drive! how many times does society need to be reminded, operating ANY vehicle under the influence, results in death of others BUT you, because of you.
Sad, because the guy had talent, but yeah, well deserved.
And may he set and example for the rest of society too.
People take driving too lightly nowadays... texting, using the cellphone and doing other stuff while driving.
A good thing he plead guilty though... most people in his position wouldn't be this honest.
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: I dunno. I don't think anybody deserves to pay this dearly for a crime of negligence, at least in terms of grief and loss, which are both clearly present given the fact that he confessed. I don't mean to say that feeling guilt absolves him, nor that self-torment is adequate punishment, but if this is a kind of karmic message, well it seems too harsh. I know life's not fair and you reap what you sow, and that drunk driving is one of the most selfish, moronic actions a person can engage in... but goddamn.
@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: He may not have pleaded guilty in order to be honest, necessarily; In most cases where the prosecuted plead guilty, they do it because there is enough evidence to prove them guilty either way, and so pleading guilty is a way of reducing the sentence and appearing sorry in the eyes of the court.
I'm sure that's not always the case, however, and its always nice to believe in someone. The fact that he originally pleaded not guilty doesn't bode well for that arguement, though.
@Eastwing: :( I didn't know that, and it makes me sad to hear it. Does offer some insight as to why this news is reaching us now when the accident in question happened more than a year ago though.
Very very sad. Loved Killing Zoe, Rules of Attraction and of course Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. So cruel to lose a friend, go through such a terrible experience (not to absolve him), and then to feel the weight of the law upon you, as well. And the culpability here is less clear cut than when a drunk driver hits a pedestrian or another motorist. When one chooses to ride with a driver who has been drinking, surely one shares culpability. And had Avary hit a pedestrian, his wife and friend would have been accomplices, in fact if not in the eyes of the law.
@(zombie) buddhathing: As someone who has lost a loved one to vehicular manslaughter, who was a passenger, I can assure you she shared no culpability. I'm sure it can seem that the situation is clearcut, like his wife and friend watched him drink and knew he was over a legal limit, but I know as little as you do about this particular situation. And who is to say alcohol was the REASON for the accident that night? Not me, and unless you were there, not you.
He was the one driving, and he is doing the honorable thing by pleading guilty. It is always sad when bad things happen to you, but the sorrow he is surely feeling, or his popularity, does not constitute the responsibility for his actions being taken away from him.
I only wish more people had the decency to face the consequences of their actions, rather than blaming the people around them and/or lying.
@IvanDashSmith: "And who is to say alcohol was the REASON for the accident that night? Not me, and unless you were there, not you."
come on really, alcohol impairs your ability to function correctly...how can you make that statement. Also I agree, If you get in a car with someone who is drunk well it is also your fault if you die.
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@SigmundTheSeaMonster: Well I don't know what the pleading not guilty and apologizing was all about, that was 9 months ago. Maybe he was initially pleading not guilty, and later changed his tune.
@The_Mechanical_Writer: I can make that statement because I don't know how far over the legal limit he was. He might also be a shitty driver and would have done something stupid regardless, and having alcohol in his system would get him the DUI.
I was only making the point that drunk drivers don't always look like the stereotypical joke you see on TV of a bumbling loser who can't not slur his words.
And next time you get in a car and ask if your driver is drunk, will they ever say yes? No one admits to being drunk, and I am sure you don't have a pocket breathalizer handy to see if they are lying.
Anyone that steps into a car after drinking is a complete moron. People should be charged with murder for doing so, not manslaughter. You KNOW you have a high chance of killing people when you drink and drive. I hope he's punished to the maximum extent of the law.
@FlameEye: Judgment impaired. The reason people suck at driving when they are drunk is the same reason they suck at deciding if they should drive in the first place. I'm a pretty heavy drinker, and while I know not to get behind the wheel of a car when I'm drunk (and have never done so .. anything more than one beer, I refuse to drive,) some people just let the inhibition take over. It's not premeditated murder, it's a terrible, awful decision often made by people who just can't picture themselves making mistakes in a state of impaired decision making. I mean, realistically, if every person who drove drunk was charged with murder, I absolutely garauntee you'd have friends or family who would be in jail for murder right now.
That is a lot of hubris you have about people who have drug problems. I give you benefit of the doubt that you will never have one, but that doesn't make you smarter.
I'm also not at all justifying his actions; he needs to go to jail to reflect and most importantly get treatment for his addiction. But that is different from being in a lucid state and deciding to kill somebody.
These people need help, with punishment. Punishment does not deter people who are drunk or high because they're the least likely people in the world to be thinking of the consequences of their actions. Putting them in jail for life is expensive and doesn't address the core issues, and sentencing them to death (if you wish to take it to that level) is even more expensive and seems pretty much entirely impractical and unethical given than sometimes the law gets it wrong.
At any rate, it's a sad sad story, and I'm glad he's going to jail. I hope he gets treatment, but really, it's altogether too easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
@SacGamer: Manslaughter isn't a light crime. Murder is all about will. Manslaughter is doing something unlawful, and often stupid, which results in someone else dying.
I lost someone to manslaughter, so don't think I can't relate to the situation. The sentence on the criminal wasn't as long as a murder sentence, but long enough to make a real dent on this persons life, and reaffirmed my belief in not drinking and driving.
@kraftboy: Preparation. If you know you're going to drink, you prepare for the occasion. If you're by yourself, you call someone so they can pick you up, if you're with friends, designated driver, and so on. I understand your point, but there really is a way to prevent these kind of "accidents" 99% of the times.
Maybe not necessarily charging someone with murder, but all kinds of DUIs should definitely be treated as some major sort of crime, and punished as such, as people just don't seem to understand how dangerous it is driving under the influence.
It's not about deciding while you're drunk, it's deciding before that's important.
He wrote True Romance with him, too, and didn't get credit.
He was unfairly overshadowed by Tarantino in everything he did with him. Even Killing Zoe, a film he directed and wrote, Tarantino got a better billing on the posters due to being an exec producer.
They parted ways after Pulp fiction, Avery was quoted something along the lines of "He just sucks stuff from me".
Sucks for him, but even worse for the girl who died. Condolences to her.
Sucks for us because Silent Hill was actually good. (fuck you for saying its not) Too bad he's not famous enough to get the sentence down to community service, he'll probably have to serve time like a normal person.
@Darkly Dreaming svenhoek: SH was a good horror movie. It wasn't that great a "Silent Hill" movie. That's why average people loved it and fans of the game hated it.
@Darkly Dreaming svenhoek: Silent Hill was mostly ripped off from the game, so it's not like "he" wrote it. The big deal is direction with that kind of movie, anyway.
@Cervidanti: Yeah... The best part of the Silent Hill movie was the atmosphere in the first half. Where they deviated from that was 75% avary, and 25% Gans... Of course, it was Gans' decision to make Harry into Rose, and he gave the most absurd reasons I'd ever heard...
This idea that a Man would never care for his daughter enough to make a compelling movie... I don't know how things are in France, but they don't have many shotgun MOMS in the US... Let's say it's always Mother / Son relationships and Father / Daughter relationships that are the strongest here... I'm guessing Japan is the same way.
08/22/09
The real problem is the fact that the government does nothing to improve the contributing factors that cause a decent hard-working person to get into a situation that leads to this. yes there are alternative but for those alternatives have no appeal (ie designated driver etc).
I do feel bad for the innocent parties in these crimes but no amount of punishment will bring anyone back or prevent anyone from drinking and driving...since people rarely think of consequences when drunk anyway. The best solution is to invest in alternative means of low cost evening travel....no one needs to drive...no one dies!
08/22/09
The guy and unfortunately the people with him were dumbasses and it ended in tragedy. They're lucky no one else in another car or walking on the sidewalk were hurt as well.
08/22/09
Here's an idea - PUBLIC TRANSIT. Too cheap? Here's another - DESIGNATED DRIVER. No friends? Here's one - WALK HOME OR STAY THE NIGHT. Too far? DON'T DRINK.
No sorry. Drinking and driving is one thing I have zero tolerance for. Your desire to socialize does not supersede the right of others to... you know... live. If you have a DUI ONCE. That's right ONCE. Your license should be permanently revoked. And if you're ever caught behind the wheel of a car again you should serve 10 - 15. Drinking and driving is not like speeding or driving without a tail light. It doesn't happen by accident. You make a choice to put peoples lives at risk. And if you're so completely egotistical that you would EVER think of doing that just so you can socialize your ass deserves to be hauled off the road (and more to the point, dumped in a ditch where no one will ever find you.)
Fucking responsibility people. Seriously.
08/22/09
Don't you dare tell me that it's the government's fault.
08/22/09
I'm sorry, but that sounds fairly sensible to me.
"WAAAAAHHHHHHH I am incapable of any form of self-control how come the government doesn't protect me?" It's not the drunk drivers that need protecting... it's the other people out on the same roads.
08/22/09
No one is exempt. No one.
08/22/09
And may he set and example for the rest of society too.
People take driving too lightly nowadays... texting, using the cellphone and doing other stuff while driving.
A good thing he plead guilty though... most people in his position wouldn't be this honest.
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I'm sure that's not always the case, however, and its always nice to believe in someone. The fact that he originally pleaded not guilty doesn't bode well for that arguement, though.
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Did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits he is wrong, he's immediately forgiven for all wrong-doings?
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He was the one driving, and he is doing the honorable thing by pleading guilty. It is always sad when bad things happen to you, but the sorrow he is surely feeling, or his popularity, does not constitute the responsibility for his actions being taken away from him.
I only wish more people had the decency to face the consequences of their actions, rather than blaming the people around them and/or lying.
08/22/09
come on really, alcohol impairs your ability to function correctly...how can you make that statement. Also I agree, If you get in a car with someone who is drunk well it is also your fault if you die.
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I was only making the point that drunk drivers don't always look like the stereotypical joke you see on TV of a bumbling loser who can't not slur his words.
And next time you get in a car and ask if your driver is drunk, will they ever say yes? No one admits to being drunk, and I am sure you don't have a pocket breathalizer handy to see if they are lying.
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That is a lot of hubris you have about people who have drug problems. I give you benefit of the doubt that you will never have one, but that doesn't make you smarter.
I'm also not at all justifying his actions; he needs to go to jail to reflect and most importantly get treatment for his addiction. But that is different from being in a lucid state and deciding to kill somebody.
These people need help, with punishment. Punishment does not deter people who are drunk or high because they're the least likely people in the world to be thinking of the consequences of their actions. Putting them in jail for life is expensive and doesn't address the core issues, and sentencing them to death (if you wish to take it to that level) is even more expensive and seems pretty much entirely impractical and unethical given than sometimes the law gets it wrong.
At any rate, it's a sad sad story, and I'm glad he's going to jail. I hope he gets treatment, but really, it's altogether too easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
08/22/09
I lost someone to manslaughter, so don't think I can't relate to the situation. The sentence on the criminal wasn't as long as a murder sentence, but long enough to make a real dent on this persons life, and reaffirmed my belief in not drinking and driving.
08/22/09
Maybe not necessarily charging someone with murder, but all kinds of DUIs should definitely be treated as some major sort of crime, and punished as such, as people just don't seem to understand how dangerous it is driving under the influence.
It's not about deciding while you're drunk, it's deciding before that's important.
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He was unfairly overshadowed by Tarantino in everything he did with him. Even Killing Zoe, a film he directed and wrote, Tarantino got a better billing on the posters due to being an exec producer.
They parted ways after Pulp fiction, Avery was quoted something along the lines of "He just sucks stuff from me".
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Sucks for us because Silent Hill was actually good. (fuck you for saying its not) Too bad he's not famous enough to get the sentence down to community service, he'll probably have to serve time like a normal person.
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This idea that a Man would never care for his daughter enough to make a compelling movie... I don't know how things are in France, but they don't have many shotgun MOMS in the US... Let's say it's always Mother / Son relationships and Father / Daughter relationships that are the strongest here... I'm guessing Japan is the same way.
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Asking me to shove my speakers back into the closet after it's out-and-proud. *shakes head* I can't believe you went there!
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Err... I mean, thanks for the heads up.
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I mean, no problem.
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Thanks for the laugh.