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    Image of NeVeRMoRe666 NeVeRMoRe666
    03:10 PM

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    You know, all of you negative-ninnys, the naysayers, the cynical, I wish you guys would be more open to new experiences. After all, we're suppose to be the "new" generation, the ones who have had the benefit of going through and seeing all of these "technological revolutions." The old guard, so to speak, is suppose to be out. You don't think people said the same thing about the microwave? The television? The radio?

    You guys sound like a bunch of grandpa's to me....

    "Dang kids and their newfangled weeeeemote....I remember back in my day I just use dere dials on meh television humph!"

    I really don't want to turn into that...
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    Edited by NeVeRMoRe666 at 11/28/09 3:13 PM NeVeRMoRe666 was starred NeVeRMoRe666 was unstarred
    Image of Toasticus Toasticus
    03:51 PM

    @NeVeRMoRe666: I jes don't get all this here foofaraw over them vidjamagames. When I was a kid we didn't need no telemavision or cyberwebs to play a good game of Hide the Pickle. We just don't need all this here stuff. I surely wish them there companies had focused on making better pickles to hide instead 'o tightening up them graphics 'n such on their whatsit boxes.
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    Image of Bricked Bricked
    05:01 PM

    @NeVeRMoRe666:

    And I don't want to turn into a jackass flailing about in front to a TV to play a game. I don't even want to think about how much of an idiot I'll look like trying to play a flight simulator with motion control...

    Secondly when I get home from class, the dojo, or hikeing, I'd rather vegetate on my futon with my gamepad, than be standing in my cramped bed room flailing about.

    What I'd rather see is a continued evolution of the gamepad, as opposed to this motion sensing BS.
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    Image of Toasticus Toasticus
    08:07 PM

    @Bricked: These aren't flail-o-meters that can only detect someone who's busy dropping it like it's hot. It's supposed to go so far as to recognize basic facial expressions. I sincerely doubt they'd hope to provide an alternative to remote control that requires you get up off your ass to use it, after all. Not to mention Natal does not exclude the simultaneous usage of traditional controllers.

    Have a little more imagination here. We haven't even seen the kinds of crazy stuff that third party developers might do with this technology. There isn't much good reason for people act so threatened by this little experiment.
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    Image of NeVeRMoRe666 NeVeRMoRe666
    10:02 PM

    @Bricked: Here's an idea. How about changing the channel through voice control? That way, you don't even have to raise your arm to watch TV!

    With regards to the evolution of the gamepad, I don't know how much further you can take it. The duelshock has been redesigned three times over and yet still sports the same basic design. Some might even go so far as to say that it's pretty close to perfection. Adding an extra button here or there or improving the shoulder trigger's is hardly considered an evolution

    No, what I am interested in is people constantly trying to push the envelope and progress towards some semblance of the future. I can understand your hesitancy but with the amount of genuinely smart people running the industry, I have no idea how you can not be excited. Moreover, I don't understand how you can criticize something that isn't even out yet and at best is still a year away from the shelf.

    Don't be afraid of change. The more the industry holds back, the less gaming as a whole can progress. Natal might not be the next big thing, but it is a step forward. I eagerly await the day when we can have gaming like they do in Futurama. I say embrace it or get left behind gramps.
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    Edited by NeVeRMoRe666 at 11/28/09 10:07 PM NeVeRMoRe666 was starred NeVeRMoRe666 was unstarred
    Image of NeVeRMoRe666 NeVeRMoRe666
    10:03 PM

    @Toasticus: Teehee. You're good at that. And it works so well with your avatar.
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    Image of NeVeRMoRe666 NeVeRMoRe666
    03:03 PM

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    That would be sublime. I'm always losing the dang controller somewhere...
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    Image of Pyrefly Pyrefly
    11:20 AM

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    What a load of crock. I really wish all these companies would stop banging on about how motion controls are going to revolutionise the way we live. I just want a god damn game pad in my hands and lounge back in my chair and play some great games, i don't want to wave my arms around like a lunatic all the damn time! *rant over*
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    Image of Instant_Awesome Instant_Awesome
    12:10 AM

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I hope the mic doesn't respond to the TV voices too...

    Coming soon to DVD and Blu-Ray, Disney Pixar's UP!

    "What the-"

    Who's our next contestant on the Price is Right? Bernie Johnson, c'mon down!

    "Son of a-"

    ... and it's 100% DEET free. Keep bugs away with OFF!

    "God damnit!"
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    Image of Rachel Fogg Rachel Fogg
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    MS....we're not the bestest friends but...do we REALLY need that? At all? In the slightest?

    Do you know the chaos that will amount from families shouting at each other because dad wants to watch ESPN and mom wants to watch Lifetime?

    Will it understand different languages? Slang?

    Just...just focus on the game implementations first then everything else. Don't start throwing out crazy things that are just going to make the thing overhyped more then it already is.

    That goes for you too Sony. Just make the damn thing WORK PROPERLY first...then promise that it can heal cancer, summon the Dragonzord or whatever.
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    Image of EveryoneNobody EveryoneNobody
    11/27/09

    @Rachel Fogg: I guess you've forgotten that Microsoft and Sony do more than games. If anything their hand in the gaming industry is not their primary source of revenue. A device that has the potential to revolutionize the television experience has a target audience beyond the gaming community. It only makes sense that they would basically test it with games before trying to implement NATAL with other devices.
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    Rachel Fogg promoted this comment EveryoneNobody was starred EveryoneNobody was unstarred
    Image of Rachel Fogg Rachel Fogg
    11/27/09

    @EveryoneNobody:

    No..I did not forget that...that wasn't my point.

    My point is do they really NEED to do that. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

    If it's successful when it's released then go on and waste money...but neither of them are released. So right now...narrowing your scope is a REALLY good idea.
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    Image of Balkatron Balkatron
    03:32 AM

    @Rachel Fogg: Let's put it like this. Why shouldn't they? It's not like they have to completely redesign Natal. If it gets popular, they can get pretty nice contracts with TV manufacturers and it'd be a nice steady income for them.
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    Toasticus promoted this comment Edited by Balkatron at 11/28/09 3:36 AM Balkatron was starred Balkatron was unstarred
    Image of fmadmonk fmadmonk
    08:12 AM

    @Rachel Fogg: A broad scope lets them see what other areas the technology can be applied to. So if they fit several related ideas into a product, give it out to a large audience, and see what clicks with the consumer base they will have thousands of pieces of feedback. They then translate the feedback into various other products, upgrades, etc...

    And no reason to be worried. As with everything nowadays there will probably be options to turn off given features. And while this idea could go very wrong, it could also go very, very right. I'm interested at least.
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    Toasticus promoted this comment Edited by fmadmonk at 11/28/09 8:13 AM fmadmonk was starred fmadmonk was unstarred
    Image of nan0werx nan0werx
    09:03 AM

    @Rachel Fogg: Why must everybody that doesnt want new tech hate on those of us that do? What, because you dont think this is a good idea they should just scrap it completely? The rest of us shouldn't get choice because you don't like the idea?

    Whining about the availability of options that you yourself may never use is, well, lame to everybody else that thinks this is a cool idea.
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    Toasticus promoted this comment nan0werx was starred nan0werx was unstarred
    Image of Toasticus Toasticus
    03:27 PM

    @Rachel Fogg: The biggest money in tech and entertainment has been in figuring out what people will want before they know they want it.

    Research and development is an essential part of progress anyway. Not everything will work out -- most of the time it won't, actually. But sometimes when it does, it works out in a huge way. Just look at the Wii or iPhone. Are you really going to rant against a giant company trying something new? They're eating the cost of developing it, what do we as consumers have to lose here?
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    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I reread the article and comments, and I noticed that people are citing things like "paying attention," facial expressions, and emotions as potential inputs.

    Is Natal really going to be able to distinguish those things? It seems like the bar is awfully high at the moment, especially when nobody's seen the device outside of a tightly controlled environment.

    I've also got my doubts about the voice input as a valid control scheme, but that has more to do with the fact that I still can't get the blasted thing to work on my cell phone.
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    Edited by spiderweb1986 at 11/27/09 6:53 PM spiderweb1986 was starred spiderweb1986 was unstarred
    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    Unless they're planning to introduce a way to watch TV on the 360, how could Natal possibly interact with run-of-the-mill TV programs? Right now, there's zero link between my 360 and my cable, beyond the fact they both use the TV as a visual output.

    Either this is hinting at something bigger down the line, or it's a dumber than usual PR quote. Or both, for all I know.
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    Image of maraxusofk maraxusofk
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I really hope we can't see the remotes other people will be using.
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    Image of JohhnyDamage JohhnyDamage
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    "Laughter is an input,"

    Any reason why we're letting our consoles detect human emotions?
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    Friedhamster promoted this comment JohhnyDamage was starred JohhnyDamage was unstarred
    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @JohhnyDamage: Um, yeah? So SkyNet can get to work, duh.
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    Image of kingmanic kingmanic
    11/27/09

    @Friedhamster: As soon as they hook up Googles swarm to this...
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @kingmanic: I adore Google. So if Google wants my life, well, ok, I guess they can have it.
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    "Guys, guys, come on! Please, can we get one more person in here? I can't turn on the TV unless we have 5 people in here. Jim! Get out of the john and get in here so I can watch Lost!"

    I don't know about this. Will it be like, 'two left winks to change the channel, one to change volume?' Interesting idea, but I think controllers and remotes will be around for another couple years yet.

    But hey, if getting a girl to shake her butt in front of my face to play start a DVD is what I need to do? I think I'll lose my remote real fast.
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    Image of Komrade Kayce Komrade Kayce
    11/27/09

    @Friedhamster:

    Pelvic thrust for a PPV.

    "No, I didn't mean Wrestlemania you stupid tv!"

    A whole new generation of controller cursing and tv yelling.
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @Komrade Kayce: "Hey dude, look how easy this is. Watch, watch. See I wiggle this to turn the TV on."
    "Uh... why do you wiggle that?"
    "Because that's what I set it on! Now do change the channel I just do this little dance."
    "Every time you want to change the channel?
    "Yeah! Every time! How cool is that!"
    "That's not cool... at all."
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    Image of EyeR8 EyeR8
    11/27/09

    Natal will bring teabagging to a whole new level...
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    Image of Atomsk88 Atomsk88
    11/27/09

    @Komrade Kayce: So does that mean someone will self-abuse their body if they get angry?

    "Stupid controller, I wanted to go up!"
    *hammer to hand*
    AAAH! OH... MY... GAAAAAAAAWWRRD!
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @EyeR8: Oh wow, wow, I did not even think of that. You could get really graphic too. Oh man. I'm just picturing some Halo 5 pink armored 12 year old just grinding his perfectly rendered groin into my dead face.

    Good thing I've got a PS3 and no 360! YIKES!
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    Image of Atomsk88 Atomsk88
    11/27/09

    @Friedhamster: GTA V + Natal = Air Humping?
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09


    @Atomsk88: You need the car add on for that, unless you have one of these. In that case your set! Go get'em Tiger!
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    Image of Bouchart Bouchart
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I bet I'll tell or motion the TV to change the channel, and a pop-up will ask me if I'd like to buy MS Office 2007.

    For the love of God I hope they don't integrate Clippy with Natal.
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    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    11/27/09

    @Bouchart:
    "It looks like your trying to throw me away. Would you like some help with that?"
    "GET OUT OF MY HOME!"
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @Demonbird: Oh wow, I laughed heartily at that.

    "Well there, it looks like you're trying to play a game. How about we run though the game set up Wizard!"
    "No! NO! NOOO! You did that, ten times already, NO!"
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    Image of Atomsk88 Atomsk88
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    Maybe when you wave your hand from side-to-side you could change the channel much like in the the Natal video where that navigates you through menus. So I could see Natal doing basic TV remote input, but that's about it. Maybe I don't have a proper imagination anymore, but TV remotes have tons of input now.

    Need to rewind? Quick, wave your left arm!
    Need to fastforward? Get up and run in place facing right!
    Need to go to the Top Menu? Uh... rub your belly?
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @Atomsk88: Rub belly is how you go back in a menu.
    To return to the top you need to hiccup. Can't hiccup? Sorry, dunno what to tell you.
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    Image of Random J Random J
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I'm not entirely sold on Natal just yet. I like to have a peripheral in my hand. So the idea of not having one seems weird to me. How would a first person shooter work? Point fingers at the screen to 'pew pew pew!' Microsoft's gonna have to show me a little more to get me excited about this.

    I like those trainers that guy (girl?) has on in that picture. Nike 6.0's. Oooo yeah!! :D
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    Image of Seth Roberson Seth Roberson
    11/27/09

    @Random J: I agree. Holding an object in your hand makes you feel more connected to a game. I haven't tried Natal ,but it sounds and appears a little "floaty", when it comes to the experience.

    Plus how can this replace a tv remote? Are television manufacturers and cable companies going to jump on the Natal train. Nope.
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    Random J promoted this comment Seth Roberson was starred Seth Roberson was unstarred
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    11/27/09

    @Seth Roberson: I think I'm still too marred by the memory of playing Para Para paradise at the arcade to accept Natal with open arms. I got laughed at by a huge group of people and I've never quite been the same since.

    As for the replacing of a TV remote: it sounds like some bullshit. I'm in bed watching my TV and I wanna turn the volume down. What'cha gotta do? Get out of bed and squat down? No. TV remotes ain't goin' nowhere.
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    Image of Disturbedmofo42 Disturbedmofo42
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    I can see it already, your in the middle of watching a horror movie and your screaming at the stupid character who just has to go into a dark room. "Don't go in there you idiot!!" Then Natal assumes since you said idiot that you wanna watch Glenn Beck's show on Fox news. It promptly switches over and causes you to miss what happens in the movie your watching.
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    Image of D-K D-K
    11/27/09

    In reply to Microsoft: Project Natal Can Replace The TV Remote
    It'll be nice when you're playing an fps on Natal and pulling the trigger on NOTHING.
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @D-K: I want tactile feedback though, I want a trigger to pull.
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    Image of D-K D-K
    11/27/09

    @Friedhamster: Your deduction skills fail you yet again, my friend.

    Sarcasm, though sometimes elusive, quite easy to spot here, if i say so myself.

    I even used caps... i thought signs and flashing arrows would be overdoing it.. it seems i was wrong.
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    11/27/09

    @D-K: -sigh- Yeah, I see it now.

    All jokes aside I all for a 3D game that uses NATAL. It could be a lot of fun.
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