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Let's be honest: Do we really think video games are going to originate something as genuinely useful as that? Maybe get out a little more.
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Hardcore
Hahahahahaha.
Most of use play nothing but casual games like Call of Duty and Uncharted.
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OSTD
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Imagine getting home and flopping on the couch. The X360 senses movement and powers up out of stand by. A few quick hand motions and I've checked for Live messages, skimmed some feeds and start browsing my Netflix queue, no controller needed. Satisfied with a choice, I set a timer for music to begin playing in 2 1/2hours and flick my hand to start my movie. From there I can just melt into a happy, slothy puddle on the cushions.
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There's a good reason humans stopped evolving: We stopped adapting to our surroundings and began to adapt our surroundings to our way of life.
I don't think of keyboard/mouse combo as the ultimate input controls, so far we're just stuck with them.
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I guarantee you even if we go virtual the keyboard won't disappear. It's fast, efficient, and provides everything we need in regards to language input.
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I would really like to see a more direct question for the multi-console users.
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Hence the fact I would like to see a question that would put the 3 main consoles up to see who owns all 3, just 2, or only 1.
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2006-2007 was all Xbox 360/PC.
So I don't think Owen needs to put a more direct question for multi-console only owners/users.
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I'm not fighting you on this, I'm just saying :)
(I missed the vote btw, I would have voted had I got there in time)
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This is an American site. For the PS3 to stand up to the 360 so well is quite a good statistic.
Go worldwide and you'll see that number change quick-fast.
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Not that that's representative of everybody's experience, but Kotaku's readers don't represent the "normal" population.
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Exactly my point, thank you.
For example, I know about 5-6 real-life people that only own PS3s. I don't know anyone that owns a 360 and I know 2 people that own a Wii.
According to my experiences on gaming sites (that are US based), my situation does not appear to be the norm.
But I am from Australia.
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I work in computer store that sells consoles and games as well, and we sell way more PS3's than 360's. We had 8 copies of ODST all throughout the launch week, and when I next went back into work (on the weekend, I work part-time) about a week later, we had one copy sold since then. And I know it wasn't restocked because I can check those records.
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lol, the PS3 is not outselling the 360 in Canada. Are you nucking futs, lol.
Canadian sales trend is about the same as the US. Show me where you got this sales data from a year ago, or I'm calling extreme bs, lol.
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Just gotta have some vision. The Wii isn't being properly exploited for games like RE4 Wii because it doesn't have the right userbase or developer interest, but I just know motion controls are the future. Not in this generation for the big budget games, but certainly the next.
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Saying that, what's your take on RE5 going the RE4 Wii route for the PS3?
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And why do you think motion controls are the future?
How is swinging your arms around any more intuitive that using a joystick, or a mouse? I've tried playing Conduit on my friend's wii... and it's God damn impossible.
Motion controls are only more "natural" to people who have not played many games. For Gamers, traditional controls are FAR more comfortable, and for both audiences, motion control will never outclass traditional controls in terms of accuracy usability.
Motion controls are great for specific styles of games, just as a big ass plastic instrument is good for rhythm games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero, but traditional controls have, over decades, evolved to become the most objective control method available.
While motion controls improve certain types of games, traditional control methods work well for ALL styles of gameplay.
To say that they will fully take over is just dumb. There may be "core" games for the Wii whose motion controls are passable, but in almost every case, the game could have been made less intrusive with traditional control methods.
Honestly, it's not about vision. Innovation in control methods is, for the most part, an excuse for those who cannot innovate within the current/traditional realm of controls that we've been working in and improving upon for the last 25 years.
We're not done with it, and we won't be done with it for a long time yet. Lets work on improving what we have, not inventing something completely different that, by this polling, the average gamer holds no interest in.
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If you want a conversation to go somewhere you might try offering up some actual counterpoints, chief.
@(Zombie) Goldwings - Zombie antidote. Attempt 1: Well, here's the thing with that list of games. None of those had the kind of mainstream appeal that would bring them success on the 360 or PS3 either. I don't see the lack of success for those particular titles being due to Wii woes, but simply for being quite niche overall.
For the RE5 deal, I haven't followed it closely and don't have a refined opinion of it. Offhand, it seems like they should charge for it as DLC instead of putting out an entire rerelease.
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I would also argue that traditional control methods do NOT work well for all styles of gameplay. To me, tilting a marble along a course, or making sword motions feels more natural with motion controls (obviously, playing a game like Devil May Cry would be impossible if you had to replicate every sword swipe, but I'm talking about sword fighting akin to Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2, something that would never feel the same with an analog stick or button press). Furthermore, I think of the Wii remote's IR sensing as very intuitive. Point and press a button to shoot at things in RE4. It's been done since the dawn of light gun games; while the Wii's sensor bar obviously doesn't provide 1:1 control in a game that isn't calibrated for it, like RE4, I would definitely not say that RE4's controls feel unnatural, and I'm sure many people would agree. I have been using traditional controls for years, and I would say that RE4's Wii Edit motion controls feel far more natural and comfortable than the traditional controls (which still carry their own charm, and actually make the game more difficult to play because the AI has time to react to your actions).
I highly doubt motion control will ever "take over" traditional methods of control, simply because we have to remember that not only are traditional controls built around the games we play, but that the games we play are indeed also built around the controls we use. I do, however, believe that motion control will open up a number of possibilities for entertaining gameplay that can't quite be emulated by button presses - take, for example, sword slashes and the like. Ever played Penumbra? The controls are awkward with mouse and key, and I think the game would have been much better fit for the Wii if the controls had been tailored to take advantage of Motion Plus.
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And no I'm not a fanboy, I recognize that the PS3 motion controls will fail completely and utterly.
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Bullshit. I have played, to completion, over two dozen first person shooters ranging from Doom to Unreal to Call of Duty 4, and in no game was the shooting as satisfying and "natural" to me as in RE4 Wii. And that's no Wii fanboy gushing either; I'm actually in the process of selling my system because I hardly ever play it. Even so the controls were so much better for the Wii version of RE4 that I aced all of the shooting galleries with perfect scores, something that would have been incredibly difficult in the Gamecube version.
"Innovation in control methods is, for the most part, an excuse for those who cannot innovate within the current/traditional realm of controls"
More bullshit. Innovation in controller hardware comes from hardware developers; innovation in the application of controls comes from software developers. Who is using what as an excuse? What does this even apply to? Are you saying that people who try to make innovative use of Wii controls lack the capacity to innovate in games on the software end of things? What is the logical basis for this observation?
I'm not lauding the Wii as the true gamer's console here, folks. Far from it. I'm saying that motion controls will become more prevalent, whether you think you will like that or not. Because the funny thing is, once you see more examples of it done properly chances are that you'll be wondering what took so long.
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The thing is people here are mostly familiar with gimmicky "waggle" applications of motion controls and haven't really seen how they work when done right. That's why I'm saying people need to have vision. If not for RE4 Wii I'd probably be siding with the skeptics, but since I have I can imagine what it would be like for a proper blockbuster action shooter to have an even further evolved version of those controls.
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Ya...and every time I get a new pair of shoes they hurt my feet and I like my old ones better...but that's only because I haven't gotten used to them yet.
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That new tablet notebook they've got going is damn sexy.
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@grantanamo:
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Green = 360
Black = PS3
Gray = Wii
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