Where's coverage of questions from investment fund operators during the profit report? Haven't listened to it yet myself, but from summaries I read on some threads concerning the subject it seems a fair number of questions pertinent to SCE... er, Networked Products & Services Division, were thrown out there. #ps3
So, the PSP sales dropped by .2 million which could probably be seen as a knock-on effect of the global economy right now (or an effect of a nearly non-existent marketing campaign). The PS2 dropped .6 million because it's old and at this stage most people have one...or two and PS3 sales were up because of the price cut (a great motivator in this economy).
I've noticed no deterioration in profitability in the game business and VAIO PCs are just been priced out of the market.
Sonys problems with the PSP can be solved with increased marketing of both the games on the system and the system/s itself, in otherwords, take a page out of Nintendo's book.
PS2 should not be looked at for profitability at this point now, instead they should offer (for a price) a software emulator for the PS3 and start getting PS2 games up on PSN.
As far as the PS3 goes, they've just got to keep and expand on the strong exclusive line-up they have this Q4.
@-MasterDex-: There is excuses and there is informing stock holders. Some times Kotaku covers stuff that really isn't meant for the mass consumer.
The strong yen has wrecked a lot of stuff (including my bank account. owww.) and really cannot be forgotten.
As for VAIOs, on Buzz Out Loud they were discussing that last quarter the only type of PC that had growth was the netbook, everything else was reporting lower earnings. VAIO clearly needs to be turned into a cheaper netbook line! Sure some VAIO PCs are the size of the netbook but the cost... yeesh. #ps3
@forgecat: This. 99% of gamers really should not try to understand or talk about the business world, it will Just lead to them either A) hurting themselves, or B) making themselves look stupid. This is simply a business announcement to the stockholders of Sony.
VAIO does need to be dropped in prices. Their charging Apple pricess when they don't have an Apple following. #ps3
@forgecat: @Ryan_the_D: I was saying "I love hearing excuses" fully aware that this was a report to the stockholders.
@forgecat: The strong yen has had an effect on things but it doesn't change the fact that much of what Sony told the stockholders was twisted words and lies intended to get the stockholders to keep their shares.
@Ryan_the_D: The VAIO does need to be dopped in price as can be seen in this report, it ain't selling and it ain't selling because it's priced out of it's intended market. Sony aren't trying to compete with Apple with the VAIO, Apple are targeting the young, fasionable and artisitc markets while Sony is targeting the business consumer and media-lovers. When HP and Dell have cheaper options that offer just as much if not more (minus bluray) then Sony has a problem. Forgecat hit the button when he said "VAIO clearly needs to be turned into a cheaper netbook line".
@-MasterDex-: I get where you are coming from but "twisted words and lies" is just another definition of statistics. You can analyze data to show pretty much anything you want when it comes to this kind of stock holders report. Without reference to the data Sony is using to say "lower overall revenue in games" we are basically just throwing are fists in the air and saying "lolwut?"
I am not saying you are wrong in anyway, just kind of saying Sony isn't as super crazy as we sometimes think they are. ... okay well the are but I hope you get what I mean! #ps3
@forgecat: Don't get me wrong, I'm not damning them in anyway, they've got to keep their stockholders happy, no matter the excuses they use.
Like I said, I love hearing excuses. It's funny to hear some of the stuff that people concoct to explain themselves. My comment was merely about some of my opinions on what it all really meant. #ps3
The psp sales usually depend on game lauches, so they will rise up again when certain important games will come out, like assassins creed bloodlines, socom bravo 3, and let's not forget next year's MGS.
PS2 will obviously see a downward slope, it's just dying out right now, let's face it, it had it's extremely long glamor years.
As for VAIO products, i don't get sony. Why charge for VAIO products more than HP or DELL, when EVERYONE knows they are better when it comes to pc/notebooks in EVERY way (it's not like with LCDS, where sony truthfully came out better in on all level than samsung in certain tests, and it deserves to be more expensive) ?
I mean (i'm from EU) I got my HP Pavillion for about 860 euros, now it's about 750 euros, and there's a new vaio that has less HDD, less RAM (i have 3 it has 2 gb) and a slightly slower GPU, than I have, but indeed has a slow BluRay burner drive, and it costs 900 euros!!!
They are offering a product which with pluses and minuses offers the same thing as one of it's competitor but costs 150 euros (that's like 223 dollars) more?
And i had a vaio and the main problem is the warranty/service system. While HP and DELL (and others) use localised licensed pc service companies to do their jobs (ex: my hp brakes down, i take it to company X, which is licensed by HP among others, and they carry the repair for me, order components from hp, etc), Sony has the most retarded system ever.
Apparently there are 2-3 service centers in Europe. When it brakes down, you have to call the service center which is apparently in Ireland (regardless of the country you are in). There, you talk with someone who tries to repair your computer through you, and also diagnose it (so you have to have the pc with you, you can't tell them it's broken). After about 40 minutes on average, when the operator realizes the problem can not be fixed over the phone, he sends a DHL/FedEx (depending on the country) to your house for you to send the pc to them, and after 3 weeks or so they send it back.
Now imagine if they didn't get it right, how frustrating it is to send it back again, compared to other companies which use local service companies, where you can just go and yell and they get it all done 3 times faster due to the fact that you didn't send yout pc 400000 miles away. #ps3
Nobody wants a PS2 anymore now that they can afford a PS3... Though with 150 mill PS2s out there, I can't see Sony abandoning support for their king console.
Sony finally got their heads in the game with the advertising of PS3...the new ads are WORLDS better than that "PLAY B3YOND" bullshit they tried earlier. #ps3
@xxnike629xx: Really, you want ps2 downloads...If that's the case what makes you think sony would want to bring back ps2 bc when people would buy ps2 games off the psn. #ps3
@SuicidalEarthworm: For 1 we need to get it through our skulls that BC is not coming back, thats not giving up it's just a damn realisation. Also PS2 downloads are good because there are many quality PS2 game outs there that are so rare they are nye on impossible to find for a reasonable price and this would give everyone in that boat a chance to play those games that they missed. #ps3
@Pyrefly: Except the chances are Sony isn't going to be releasing those games on the PSN all that frequently, if Sony has the choice between uploading something obscure like Tales of the Abyss or something popular like God of War which would you choose? #ps3
@SuicidalEarthworm: Well to first buy PS2 games off PSn, they'd need a software emulator for the PS3. Now whether they lock that emulator to only run PSN purchased games or not, that's the real question.
A software emulator and PS2 titles on PSN would be profitable, the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because the PS2 although it's dying is still alive. #ps3
I dont think no more ps2 sold would mean the end of the PS2, a console isnt alive just because hardware get sold (after 10 years still ps2 getting sold is amazing enough), you millions of users demanding games, so games delivers money, so they qill be continued to be released, so my opinion. #ps3
@Zocks: You should see the UK. It p*sses me off but they pretty much don't sell new PS2 games. There's a huge market for it but it has a smaller profit margin I'd guess (with the games being cheaper) so they don't bother. I can walk into any store and no new games ever come in for PS2 and it's now old games all the time pretty much. #ps3
@-MasterDex-: The PS2 sections are bigger than the PC section here too but unfortunately it's all second hand which with stores like Game and stuff usually that sucks. They take in any scratched to hell game. I don't know why but I just hate those scratches, so long as it works it shouldn't bother me though. #ps3
@OmegaSpartan08: Sony have refocused selling there PS2s to developing countries.
I don't think they sell PS2s in Japan anymore. I know nowhere in UK stocks em apart from online. #ps3
@deanbmmv: You must not check Kotaku very often huh?
PS2s still sell in Japan. Many times close to Xbox 360 numbers and, not long ago, still manages to outsell the 360.
And yet how is it you achieved that star is beyond me. #ps3
@deanbmmv: Much better...good. You're right, the star don't make a difference.
By the way, you should try to get some rest. Even if you can't go to sleep, try at least to get away from the screen and shut your eyes for 15 minutes. It's not good for the brain to go a night without sleep.
Just a tiny break and some shut-eye will do you good. You'll feel better! #ps3
@Harpo: haha, no I've got a lecture in an hour n half. I have some shut eye now I'll miss it.
I have a rule that if I can't get to sleep by 4am I just don't bother, cos I only end up getting up late if I do.
I'll just grab 40 winks after I've done my lectures for the day. #ps3
@Harpo: I'm an insomniac, I'm well asleep what lack of sleep can do.
Most I've ever had before is like 2.5-3 days.
But yeah, 5-6 days leads to brain damage, 7+ death.
But I'd be in hospital before that happened. #ps3
@Blore07: hehe.
Just found out due to timetabling errors (woot for uni changing over practically everything, new logos, email system, VLE, OS's etc) that I'm lecture free today. so I may do that.
@Harpo: dean made my point, the star was not even a topic for discussion. it was pointless to throw that in there. you cam across like you were defending this guys views, which if it wasnt your intention.. my bad. #ps3
I hate that they have taken this long to get themselves in a decent market position. They have so much more money to toss around than Microsoft and Nintendo. They own half of the music and film in the world, but they can't manage to get their shit together for the PS3 until now. And then they make the stupid PSPGo. I just don't get it. #ps3
@orijimi: Are you crazy? More money than MSFT? again, are you CRAZY?
Sony as a whole isn't even making a profit right now, Microsoft on the other hand? They make BILLIONS as in 10's of Billions of US dollars a year... your comment is just ridiculous. #ps3
@orijimi: but they can't manage to get their shit together for the PS3 until now
You know, even with it's hefty pricetag, the PS3 was outselling the 360 month after month for a long time upon release, it's actually pretty much in line with what the 360 has done in the same length of time.
Also,What's with calling the PSPGo "stupid"? Is it stupid because you can't afford it? Is it stupid because of it's very small size and high portability? Is it stupid because it's the first console that's download only (offering first what is an inevitable change in the industry)?
@Fyro: Yes, Sony are losing but their market capital is much, much greater than Microsofts.
-Market Capitalisation (in millions)-
-Sony: 2,797,631.000
-MSFT: 251,811.900
@-MasterDex-: As the person below pointed out, wherever you may have gotten those fake numbers from is completey wrong. finance.google.com can help enlighten you or even yahoo, or other REAL market trackers. 250B for msft vs sony's 30B. #ps3
Good to see the PS3 gaining momentum. It's always sad to watch a console die though, especially one as impossibly awesome as the PS2. Thanks to how shitty this industry is getting as time goes by, there'll never be a console like that ever again. #ps3
@Archaotic: you're just venting but its just how things are. games are tremendously more complex to develop (ps3 aint helping) meaning publishers are less willing to take risks. They have to take the sure thing which appeals to the mainstream.
there is really no room for experimental titles other than xbla and other downloadable storefronts. #ps3
@Archaotic: Amen to that.
PS2 has been an amazing console. An amazing array of games.
But yes, I don't think we'll see a console like it for a while. And as I've been lamenting with Mitsuki we won't see such a variety. Brown 'photo-realistic' shooters from here on out. :( #ps3
@Archaotic: What exactly do you mean by the industry going shitty?
As far as I see it (and maybe you're talking about software developers?) this generation has led to the greatest amount of competition to date, and as far as I can tell, it's been good to consumers.
Like $300 PS3s, Netflix integration, media integration, expanded social services, ramped up networking services, XBLA/PSN/WiiWare, etc. #ps3
@Archaotic: Can't deny that the ps2 had one hell of a run, though. Unless there's something I'm forgetting, I'm pretty sure it had a longer, more successful run than any other gaming system in history.
@flanker22: Mainstream is, in my opinion, the enemy. A horde of unthinking, careless slobs who don't care about anything unless it's got a sniper rifle, a relatable sports star, or a giant pair of tits in it. And even then they only care when it's advertised to them on the side of the fucking moon.
The increased focus on the mass market this generation just means that next generation will be even LESS creative, smaller publishers and devs will continue to die, and pretty soon it'll just be Activision, Microsoft and Nintendo slinging shit in every direction. I'd rather quit gaming than deal with a world like that.
I don't wanna sound like I'm pissed at you or anything (I'm not), but I hear a lot of people excusing the slow bleeding-out of the industry by saying "it's just business" or "it's just the way things are".
Unfortunately? Saying "it's just the way things are" or "it's just business" doesn't make it any less painful to watch, and it doesn't make me any less angry about it. It just makes it worse, really. It feels like people have just given up.
@i_pooped_on_: "Like $300 PS3s, Netflix integration, media integration, expanded social services, ramped up networking services, XBLA/PSN/WiiWare"
Beyond online none of them are really pushing games forward are they?
Sure the consoles are getting more useful, but broadband, Netflix, Facebook n twitter didn't really exist when 6th gen kicked in.
I'd say the main issue is that developers looked at the amount of polys they can do n realised they could do photo realistic. And so they went with photo realistic, no more abstract looking games.
If Crash Bandicoot had been made this gen he'd of looked like a bandicoot. No silly bright orange thing that was made because games just couldn't push pixels. Compare FFVII style of characters to XIII.
This style of games is going. Even GTA in PS2 to GTA IV.
Its a shame Wii isn't that great as some of their games are the best looking. #ps3
@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: PS2 has currently roughly 140million sales. Which is the most of any console, though DS is rabidly catching up.
Not longest run yet. PS1 lasted 11 years till it was discontinued, The NES lasted around 10 years (though working knock-offs are still being made) Whereas PS2 is only 9 years old, so a few years to beat its dad. #ps3
@deanbmmv: True and good point. This is why it's good to still have a few gaming Picasso's out there, such as Keita Takahashi.
With graphics becoming more and more realistic then, it will be interesting to see how the surreal realm is approached.. shall it be like a realistic Salvador Dali painting?
And what of next-gen mega man types? I think we can still expect to see our beloved cartoony style, just with greater depth/sheen/flair..
Not to mention, game developers couldn't possibly leave behind the audience that made them successful, for a newer one that only craves shooters and gtas. They would lose lots of money and the developers behind the games would, I'm sure, feel a creative stagnancy that would eventually lead them to express such creativity in another abstract/surreal game. #ps3
@Tremolo-mayan: Developers may not want to stop the creative juices and strike out with something abstract, but Publishers don't really want to go that route.
And unfourtnaetly its the publishers, the businessmen that control the flow of cash in the industry, they pretty much have the games industry by the balls.
Just soon they'll squeeze to hard n castrate it, and it'll end up bad for everyone, if they haven't already. #ps3
@Archaotic:
Now, I didnt have a ps2, I had a cube, (and up until now i've never had enough financial ability to own more than one console per gen) but I can relate to what your saying through my experience of ps1.
I remember going to work, picking up cash in hand (I was young, worked on a market) and heading straight to pick up some random ass games i'd never heard anything about.
@deanbmmv: You just have to realize that things always seem to come full circle. I've been actually thinking about this lately. Everything seems to be going realistic but thats just because everyone is in love with all of this new technology. Soon there will come a point where we won't notice that much change in what we are seeing and everything will shift again. #ps3
@Chaosrayne: Heres a protip: It was actually the original NES that brought gaming into the mainstream, the PSX and the PS2 fortified it's position there and the Wii has nailed it down there for a long time to come. #ps3
@Wolfenstein: Gaming could do with a good ole reboot.
Not had one since 1984.
Just sucks it all had to go in the shitter before that could happen. #ps3
@deanbmmv: I guess you consider online multiplayer of no consequence?
It sounds to me like the only consideration you're taking in is that you don't quite appreciate the visual style of modern games. That's your opinion, and you can keep it. I do agree that the push for realistic games has taken some of the creativity out of the visual style of many games. Your totally right on that issue, and it is most unfortunate.
But just because you may not see the value in modern features doesn't mean other people don't.
Here's what I would contend: how likely were you to get a 256 multiplayer game on the PS1? How many Demon's Souls would you see on the NES (the multiplayer function of that game is amazing)?
Although, I do agree that the industry is in trouble - but not in a shit can. Many developers, not established as big time businesses, are forced to mimic other successful developers who have entrenched their positions in the marketplace. This does have the function of diluting some of the ingenuity in game development. But I also think these are all necessary growing pains in an industry that hasn't even come close to maturity. #ps3
@i_pooped_on_: "Beyond online none of them are really pushing games forward are they?"
thanks for reading my first line.
The rest are features you see tied to TV's nowadays in them yahoo widgets, and with set-top boxes.
But yes, many devlopers are just mimicking each other, there's very few big developers (because yes, inidies may innovate, but that has no impact on the main juggernauts of industry) that are breaking molds and taking nice leaps forward much anymore.
8th gen has a chance to be amazing, become a hulking shining beast from the teething pains of 7th gens leap into new controllers, on-line connectivity and HD.
But it could just shamble in doom from lessons not learnt. #ps3
@i_pooped_on_: The reply/notification system won't alert me of you replying to yourself.
And you could of maybe edited your own post?
You replied within a minute, the edit lasts for quarter of an hour.
There is potential, but the time is dwindling fast. Next year I think will at least see music games being dropped, so that leaves a void to be filled. #ps3
@RROD74: Nope, I love the 20/80GB model but since most of them are dying of YloD (first hand experience) I would like one way or another to be able to play some older titles.
Come on, I don't hear people complaining about PSOne games so why the hate for the PS2? #ps3
Please please please please make the draw distance more than 10 feet this time. I'd love to be able to get up on a roof and still be able to see who's directly below me. Thanks.
Kurenai is the last one I played in the serie and it was pretty decent. Nothing ground breaking, but a great character with Rin, some amusing nods to japanese saber movies (a blind masseur?) and a nice mix of paces and settings (I remember pretty vividly an impressive climb to a mountain monastery with a lot of vegetation and candles).
The AI of the enemies was not that hot, but in a way it helped in providing what most if not all other infiltration games fail to provide: the feeling of being the hunter, not the hunted. #tenchu
I've never even heard of this game before, and that's saying something. Perhaps they should get the word out about this title and not blame their problems on the piracy phantom. #dylancuthbert
@Spenze: Well, there's your reason why they might not do too hot. I tend to stay the hell away from house organ sites, preferring 3rd parties to get my info. #dylancuthbert
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I've noticed no deterioration in profitability in the game business and VAIO PCs are just been priced out of the market.
Sonys problems with the PSP can be solved with increased marketing of both the games on the system and the system/s itself, in otherwords, take a page out of Nintendo's book.
PS2 should not be looked at for profitability at this point now, instead they should offer (for a price) a software emulator for the PS3 and start getting PS2 games up on PSN.
As far as the PS3 goes, they've just got to keep and expand on the strong exclusive line-up they have this Q4.
I love hearing excuses! #ps3
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The strong yen has wrecked a lot of stuff (including my bank account. owww.) and really cannot be forgotten.
As for VAIOs, on Buzz Out Loud they were discussing that last quarter the only type of PC that had growth was the netbook, everything else was reporting lower earnings. VAIO clearly needs to be turned into a cheaper netbook line! Sure some VAIO PCs are the size of the netbook but the cost... yeesh. #ps3
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VAIO does need to be dropped in prices. Their charging Apple pricess when they don't have an Apple following. #ps3
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@forgecat: The strong yen has had an effect on things but it doesn't change the fact that much of what Sony told the stockholders was twisted words and lies intended to get the stockholders to keep their shares.
@Ryan_the_D: The VAIO does need to be dopped in price as can be seen in this report, it ain't selling and it ain't selling because it's priced out of it's intended market. Sony aren't trying to compete with Apple with the VAIO, Apple are targeting the young, fasionable and artisitc markets while Sony is targeting the business consumer and media-lovers. When HP and Dell have cheaper options that offer just as much if not more (minus bluray) then Sony has a problem. Forgecat hit the button when he said "VAIO clearly needs to be turned into a cheaper netbook line".
@catterwall: We can only hope and dream.
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I am not saying you are wrong in anyway, just kind of saying Sony isn't as super crazy as we sometimes think they are. ... okay well the are but I hope you get what I mean! #ps3
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Like I said, I love hearing excuses. It's funny to hear some of the stuff that people concoct to explain themselves. My comment was merely about some of my opinions on what it all really meant. #ps3
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PS2 will obviously see a downward slope, it's just dying out right now, let's face it, it had it's extremely long glamor years.
As for VAIO products, i don't get sony. Why charge for VAIO products more than HP or DELL, when EVERYONE knows they are better when it comes to pc/notebooks in EVERY way (it's not like with LCDS, where sony truthfully came out better in on all level than samsung in certain tests, and it deserves to be more expensive) ?
I mean (i'm from EU) I got my HP Pavillion for about 860 euros, now it's about 750 euros, and there's a new vaio that has less HDD, less RAM (i have 3 it has 2 gb) and a slightly slower GPU, than I have, but indeed has a slow BluRay burner drive, and it costs 900 euros!!!
They are offering a product which with pluses and minuses offers the same thing as one of it's competitor but costs 150 euros (that's like 223 dollars) more?
And i had a vaio and the main problem is the warranty/service system. While HP and DELL (and others) use localised licensed pc service companies to do their jobs (ex: my hp brakes down, i take it to company X, which is licensed by HP among others, and they carry the repair for me, order components from hp, etc), Sony has the most retarded system ever.
Apparently there are 2-3 service centers in Europe. When it brakes down, you have to call the service center which is apparently in Ireland (regardless of the country you are in). There, you talk with someone who tries to repair your computer through you, and also diagnose it (so you have to have the pc with you, you can't tell them it's broken). After about 40 minutes on average, when the operator realizes the problem can not be fixed over the phone, he sends a DHL/FedEx (depending on the country) to your house for you to send the pc to them, and after 3 weeks or so they send it back.
Now imagine if they didn't get it right, how frustrating it is to send it back again, compared to other companies which use local service companies, where you can just go and yell and they get it all done 3 times faster due to the fact that you didn't send yout pc 400000 miles away. #ps3
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it's about time..
oh, and ps2 games for download on the psn. #ps3
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A software emulator and PS2 titles on PSN would be profitable, the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because the PS2 although it's dying is still alive. #ps3
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I don't think they sell PS2s in Japan anymore. I know nowhere in UK stocks em apart from online. #ps3
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PS2s still sell in Japan. Many times close to Xbox 360 numbers and, not long ago, still manages to outsell the 360.
And yet how is it you achieved that star is beyond me. #ps3
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Yes I'm aware they still sell PS2's in Japan.
You must not check kotaku very often huh? or you might know how I got my star ;) #ps3
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There's a new sheriff in town, huh? Well, he was just correcting you on an untrue claim of yours. No need to get defensive.
That star is proof you've made constructive points in the past. It's not a Mensa diploma, my friend. #ps3
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What difference does the star, or lack of it, make in my comment?
Edit: also it wasn't an untrue claim. "I don't think they sell PS2s" I never said "they don't sell PS2's in Japan" I was never stating a fact.
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By the way, you should try to get some rest. Even if you can't go to sleep, try at least to get away from the screen and shut your eyes for 15 minutes. It's not good for the brain to go a night without sleep.
Just a tiny break and some shut-eye will do you good. You'll feel better! #ps3
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I have a rule that if I can't get to sleep by 4am I just don't bother, cos I only end up getting up late if I do.
I'll just grab 40 winks after I've done my lectures for the day. #ps3
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Most I've ever had before is like 2.5-3 days.
But yeah, 5-6 days leads to brain damage, 7+ death.
But I'd be in hospital before that happened. #ps3
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Dean my man, get some rest as soon as you can, sleep is on your brain. #ps3
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Just found out due to timetabling errors (woot for uni changing over practically everything, new logos, email system, VLE, OS's etc) that I'm lecture free today. so I may do that.
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Theres only room on this website for one moron and thats me! #ps3
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that sounds like trying to be a smartass. there is nothing insightful about that comment.
when did he flex his muscle? i think it is you who are being defensive no apparent reason.
better luck next time. #ps3
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@deanbmmv: I'm sorry, I see now that you didn't bring up your star. I apologize.
@Alex_Mexico: Bringing up that star was one step too far. Man up and keep your rude remarks to yourself next time. #ps3
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Sony as a whole isn't even making a profit right now, Microsoft on the other hand? They make BILLIONS as in 10's of Billions of US dollars a year... your comment is just ridiculous. #ps3
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You know, even with it's hefty pricetag, the PS3 was outselling the 360 month after month for a long time upon release, it's actually pretty much in line with what the 360 has done in the same length of time.
Also,What's with calling the PSPGo "stupid"? Is it stupid because you can't afford it? Is it stupid because of it's very small size and high portability? Is it stupid because it's the first console that's download only (offering first what is an inevitable change in the industry)?
I just don't get it.
I see that. #ps3
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-Market Capitalisation (in millions)-
-Sony: 2,797,631.000
-MSFT: 251,811.900
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Anyway, my bad. #ps3
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there is really no room for experimental titles other than xbla and other downloadable storefronts. #ps3
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PS2 has been an amazing console. An amazing array of games.
But yes, I don't think we'll see a console like it for a while. And as I've been lamenting with Mitsuki we won't see such a variety. Brown 'photo-realistic' shooters from here on out. :( #ps3
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As far as I see it (and maybe you're talking about software developers?) this generation has led to the greatest amount of competition to date, and as far as I can tell, it's been good to consumers.
Like $300 PS3s, Netflix integration, media integration, expanded social services, ramped up networking services, XBLA/PSN/WiiWare, etc. #ps3
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And no, PCs don't count here. #ps3
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The increased focus on the mass market this generation just means that next generation will be even LESS creative, smaller publishers and devs will continue to die, and pretty soon it'll just be Activision, Microsoft and Nintendo slinging shit in every direction. I'd rather quit gaming than deal with a world like that.
I don't wanna sound like I'm pissed at you or anything (I'm not), but I hear a lot of people excusing the slow bleeding-out of the industry by saying "it's just business" or "it's just the way things are".
Unfortunately? Saying "it's just the way things are" or "it's just business" doesn't make it any less painful to watch, and it doesn't make me any less angry about it. It just makes it worse, really. It feels like people have just given up.
10/30/09
Beyond online none of them are really pushing games forward are they?
Sure the consoles are getting more useful, but broadband, Netflix, Facebook n twitter didn't really exist when 6th gen kicked in.
I'd say the main issue is that developers looked at the amount of polys they can do n realised they could do photo realistic. And so they went with photo realistic, no more abstract looking games.
If Crash Bandicoot had been made this gen he'd of looked like a bandicoot. No silly bright orange thing that was made because games just couldn't push pixels. Compare FFVII style of characters to XIII.
This style of games is going. Even GTA in PS2 to GTA IV.
Its a shame Wii isn't that great as some of their games are the best looking. #ps3
10/30/09
Not longest run yet. PS1 lasted 11 years till it was discontinued, The NES lasted around 10 years (though working knock-offs are still being made) Whereas PS2 is only 9 years old, so a few years to beat its dad. #ps3
10/30/09
With graphics becoming more and more realistic then, it will be interesting to see how the surreal realm is approached.. shall it be like a realistic Salvador Dali painting?
And what of next-gen mega man types? I think we can still expect to see our beloved cartoony style, just with greater depth/sheen/flair..
Not to mention, game developers couldn't possibly leave behind the audience that made them successful, for a newer one that only craves shooters and gtas. They would lose lots of money and the developers behind the games would, I'm sure, feel a creative stagnancy that would eventually lead them to express such creativity in another abstract/surreal game. #ps3
10/30/09
And unfourtnaetly its the publishers, the businessmen that control the flow of cash in the industry, they pretty much have the games industry by the balls.
Just soon they'll squeeze to hard n castrate it, and it'll end up bad for everyone, if they haven't already. #ps3
10/30/09
Now, I didnt have a ps2, I had a cube, (and up until now i've never had enough financial ability to own more than one console per gen) but I can relate to what your saying through my experience of ps1.
I remember going to work, picking up cash in hand (I was young, worked on a market) and heading straight to pick up some random ass games i'd never heard anything about.
Good or Bad, I was experiencing the lot. #ps3
10/30/09
PS2 brought gaming into the mainstream.
It may be difficult for you to accept, but it happens every so often. #ps3
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Not had one since 1984.
Just sucks it all had to go in the shitter before that could happen. #ps3
10/30/09
It sounds to me like the only consideration you're taking in is that you don't quite appreciate the visual style of modern games. That's your opinion, and you can keep it. I do agree that the push for realistic games has taken some of the creativity out of the visual style of many games. Your totally right on that issue, and it is most unfortunate.
But just because you may not see the value in modern features doesn't mean other people don't.
Here's what I would contend: how likely were you to get a 256 multiplayer game on the PS1? How many Demon's Souls would you see on the NES (the multiplayer function of that game is amazing)?
Although, I do agree that the industry is in trouble - but not in a shit can. Many developers, not established as big time businesses, are forced to mimic other successful developers who have entrenched their positions in the marketplace. This does have the function of diluting some of the ingenuity in game development. But I also think these are all necessary growing pains in an industry that hasn't even come close to maturity. #ps3
10/30/09
thanks for reading my first line.
The rest are features you see tied to TV's nowadays in them yahoo widgets, and with set-top boxes.
But yes, many devlopers are just mimicking each other, there's very few big developers (because yes, inidies may innovate, but that has no impact on the main juggernauts of industry) that are breaking molds and taking nice leaps forward much anymore.
8th gen has a chance to be amazing, become a hulking shining beast from the teething pains of 7th gens leap into new controllers, on-line connectivity and HD.
But it could just shamble in doom from lessons not learnt. #ps3
10/30/09
So thanks for reading my next comment. :P
Keep in mind though that the current generation is hardly at its end, and there's still a lot of potential yet to be seen. #ps3
10/30/09
And you could of maybe edited your own post?
You replied within a minute, the edit lasts for quarter of an hour.
There is potential, but the time is dwindling fast. Next year I think will at least see music games being dropped, so that leaves a void to be filled. #ps3
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Sooner the PS2 dies the faster the PS3 will possibly get PS2 emulation back with up-scaling goodness (crosses finger). #ps3
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Come on, I don't hear people complaining about PSOne games so why the hate for the PS2? #ps3
10/26/09
Please please please please make the draw distance more than 10 feet this time. I'd love to be able to get up on a roof and still be able to see who's directly below me. Thanks.
*scowls at Tenchu PSP* #tenchu
10/26/09
The AI of the enemies was not that hot, but in a way it helped in providing what most if not all other infiltration games fail to provide: the feeling of being the hunter, not the hunted. #tenchu
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Not because PSP sales are generally horrific (GT only squeezed 350k according to VGChartz)
Not because it was a port of a PS3 game with remote play.
Not because it costs twice the price of the PS3 version.
No, it is because it is on torrent sites and every single download constitutes an otherwise guaranteed physical sale that is now lost.
Congratulations Q games on the transition from cool inovative indie developer, to souless money grabbing corporation.
Your blinkered and ignorant viewpoint has just guaranteed I'll never be making a purchase of one of your games.
(and no, I won't be torrenting them either) #dylancuthbert