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09/02/09
In the news today, 99% of all developers in the world are lazy, specifically directed towards PS3 development.
When questioned about this laziness on a single platform, one developer (who asked to be un-named) stated: "Yeah, we just really didn't want to do any work, really. I mean, sure we'd make more money and everything, but we made one version work already - and that takes a lot of effort."
When pressed further on why one platform worked fine, yet the other did not, the man in question replied: "We're just used to one way of doing things, and even though over the years those have changed entirely multiple times, this particular instance [of PS3 architechture] Is just beyond us. I mean, the cell processor is worth like, a million 360 processors. Maybe a billion."
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09/01/09
Good thing I thought this game looked lame from the start, or else I might have been disappointed.
09/01/09
I don't have any particular brand loyalty but what this makes me think is that soon practically every system might just end up being the same architecture inside just very minor differences and that's just not really great. I mean all Macs use intels now and all PCs use intel and the only real difference now is the O/S, exclusive games and software and of course the price. In some ways it works out for the consumer but in some ways it's just whatever really. I think devs need to work a bit more to keep the variation and not just first party games. I mean otherwise in the end by the 5th generation or so we'll end up with practically the same consoles just under different brand names because the manufacturers will listen to the devs. It's fine but in some ways not so fine either.
09/01/09
These problems ARE NOT DUE TO GRAPHICAL ISSUES ON THE PS3!
They are DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS FROM THE DEVELOPERS.
The PS3 is more than capable of smooth frame rates and sharp definition, in fact it's more powerful than the 360. What causes these issues is the way the game is developed for the platform, not due to any imagined 'faults' of the system.
09/01/09
I bought the PS3 but I don't dare to maintain any illusions about its power. Not after three years and not a single non-contestable specimen of cross-platform superiority (the opposite, in fact), never mind the unilaterally superior omnibus we should hypothetically have seen. Sometimes, a bigger price means nothing more than a shorter laser wavelength.
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09/01/09
This is typically why third-party manufacturers have a tougher time with the PS3; when developing a multi-console release, they typically begin with PC/Xbox 360 development because its what they're more familiar with, then port to PS3. Ever notice how the best looking games on the PS3 are the ones made by Sony's in-house first-party devlopers? That's because they know the architecture better, have access to more development tools, AND (this is the most important one), they don't have to worry about coding for any other system other than the PS3.
TL;DR: Sony first-party devs make the best looking games because they can afford to.
09/01/09
I belive this say's it all!
09/01/09
@CarlMarssilas:
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(I still love it though! *hugs Saturn*)
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(Looks at Devil May Cry 4, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, and Batman AA.....)
Platinum, You can't suck this hard when other companies have gotten it right.
09/01/09
Now I hear about this.
I'll probably just skip this whole fraking generation.
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09/01/09
SEGA should get in contact.
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09/01/09
Second of all, you should really consider what exclusives you are most interested in, before deciding on a console.
09/01/09
Yes, the PS3 is still as difficult as ever, and it was not necessarily ever going to be the case that simply time would alleviate that.
It's STILL HARD to run a marathon with your feet tied together? Yep...
It's better from the perspective of the PS3 version to port from PS3 to X360 if you're not concerned with making the best possible version of the game on the X360, and not trying to optimize for total project cost. Here's kind of how it works:
A.
Develop on PS3, port to X360:
1. PS3 version is consistently good
2. X360 version is consistently good
3. Development goes "PS3 speeds" which is inherently more difficult.
4. X360 version is not as good as it could be.
B.
Develop on X360, port to X360:
1. X360 version is consistently good
2. PS3 version is less good
3. Development goes at "X360 speeds" which is faster and less costly
4. PS3 version is not as good as it could be.
So, if you weigh the relative importance of PS3 vs. X360, which is not even because X360 has the much larger install base, the main differing factors is the #3 term of each, which is harder and slower development vs. faster and easier = cheaper.
You may objectively know that leading on PS3 will lead to a "smoother" development cycle for the PS3, but it doesn't mean that you can afford it!
09/01/09
i agree this is some bs. i look at all my games in my shelf, and i have played very good looking games on the system. (playing Batman AA too!)
for ghostbusters it was small fries, but for Bayonetta, this is just unacceptable. they better fix it or i'm not buying. ithat ssimple. 60 bucks does not grow on trees.
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This decision was so much easier when I was a punk kid.
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Like I said, I do agree that changing the architecture every gen is a pain in the ass for devs, but the thing is, by working on different architectures, they learn valuable experience and even learn new techniques.
Also, the Cells architecture is very similar to the upcoming Larrabee. And if things are going the way they are, devs will be working on very similar architectures.
Before any of you guys get mad, yes, Larrabee is eons ahead of the cell, but the fact is they are both based on parallel architectures. It's just Larrabee actually has a sufficient front bus to support data transfer, etc.
09/01/09
Great wall of text.
Riddle me this genius. Why isn't a studio like Team Ninja having problems? Oh yes, they realize it's a different console and code the games accordingly. So if you're a developer and know that certain methods don't work well with a hardware, and still use them, who's to blame? The hardware manufacturer? Guess again.
At this stage of the console cycle, the only thing looking bad is the developer.
09/01/09
Sony has access to the best development tools and is willing to spend as much time required to polish its games. You cannot expect third-party developers to spend more time to handle an unwieldy system which typically sells less than its easier to develop competitors sell. That's hardly to say some third-parties cannot do just that, but Platinum Games likely has far fewer resources and time as a developer such as Capcom would have.
09/01/09
What's Platinum's excuse? What's Sega's excuse? I just played the demo for BatDude Arkam AssAssyum and it looks and runs great on Ps3. Downloaded the demo for Wet too and while not as impressive as BatBitch overall, it's good.
PS3 develop environment has been well publicized. If a developer can't get their shit together at this stage then they just suck. If this was a launch title then I would be more forgiving...actually...no I wouldn't because as short as it is, Heavenly Sword still looked fantastic and it's a first gen game.
"shakes fist" DAMN YOU SONY! WHY CAN'T WE GET A SEQUEL?! WHYYYYYYY!
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Same reason why I waited to jump into this generation until I got an HDTV. I don't understand people who can settle to play games and throw away 75% of the artistic detail that graphic artists spent months on.
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