@Yamagata: Ninjas? Mere assassins, known primarily for killing people in their sleep and then sneaking away. Pirates, on the other hand, fight like men!
Can we please sit down and talk for a minute about fp? Okay, first of all, can people stop randomly upgrading the goddamn classes. Stop upgrading the fucking warrior or the archer first. Here's how it should be (more or less): worker, mage/priest, warrior, archer. The workers are completely defenseless out there, and they are a critical part of the whole system and strategy. Plus, a good worker who knows how to utilize the bombs is just as effective as any other class. I'm sick and tired of morons staying in the base and upgrading the class they use the most.
@Crash__Man: Cutesy characters + Nintendo + Nonviolent, simple and charming game play = "Casual, Just for kids", etc.
Cutesy characters + Sony + A team based capture the flag game that obviously deals with fighting, blood loss and online multiplayer that cannot be rated by the ESRB = "Hardcore strategy experience".
Notice I still used quotations. I don't like using the terms casual and hardcore too much. Point is, no matter what kind of graphical style a game may use, the genre and the game play usually decides if it's "Casual" or "Hardcore".
Don't mind me. Maybe I took your comment the wrong way, and you meant something completely different! I'm just full from Dinner and saw this Fat Princess news.
@Saint Anima: thank goodness you don't like the terms. I applaud that.
I think you are reading me correctly and you make good points.
but your main differentiating factor seems to be violence. is that really the only thing """hardcore""" gamers need enjoy a game?
isn't that something we should try to change as this industry GROWS?
also, you're comparing apples and oranges to generalize Nintendo games as just simple and charming but use specifics like CTF for this game.
you should compare this more with games like some of the WiiWare FFCC strategy titles.
I don't see them adding cutesy pirates or ninjas, yet which do you think the """hardcore""" are more receptive to?
Yes, this is just the way to update Fat Princess.
Even though I am against announcing new DLC just after the game has been released.
Let's hope this is a free update.
@ShadowOdin isn't american: It has to be, or its gotta be like a buck for each class tops.
People aren't going to pay too much for DLC to a 15 dollar game.
But the way Fat Princess works, odds are there has to be a building for pirates and a building for ninjas, so if its not free then the people with it will probably not have too many others to play with. But seeing as how there is already a pirate ship board it will probably be free.
@fanboyps3: Yes that worries me the most. If it's not a full update, and only paying for it, it will divide the crowd playing into two camps: those with and those without.
Not good so soon after launch.
@abort_user: Why? $15 is a bargain, this game despite a few minor issues rocks, and I've clocked well over 80 hours into it, try and get 80 hours out of many $59.99 games, even online added. And I still try to play daily, maybe not as much at launch but it's great fun.
@Sarcasmancer:
These 2 kind of don't really fit the trend though, Isn't a ninja and a pirate essentially just a different kind of warrior...then again I guess it could be argued that a priest could be argued as another kind of mage.
Still seem like a bit gimmicky classes though
*pirate and ninja* "If you like pirates or ninjas you'll like this game."
Actually, I think Fat Princess does need a covert ops. class and the ninja is perfect for that. I don't know about the pirate though... he could just be an alternation of the ranger.
@Lee: Your robots are currently being taken over by children's programming and Japanese auto firms, and your zombies have been infected by Hollywood's desire to make them more 'scary' by making them less actually dead.
@R_Shackelford: Pirates have always been around, even up to today! Ninjas have still been trained since their necessity has become obsolete in their era of origin! Nothing says that we cant have a little friendly immigration in medeival europe.
@ShadowOdin isn't american: I just don't think it's that hard to make the ninja a "Rogue" or whatever. Don't know what the pirate would be, as I don't know what "special abilities" a pirate would have. The archer already upgrades to a musket and the warrior already has a sword.
I like those cutlasses a lot better than those wimpy excuses for ninja-tou that the ninjas are carrying.
Somewhat ironic length representations, too, being as cutlasses (the classic pirate sword) are one-handed shorter swords, while katanas (and the fictional ninja-tou) are usually longer two handers. Seriously, those pirate swords are bigger than they are..
@kagekiri: To be fair, those are Scimitars those Priates are sporting. Cutlasses don't have squared edges, and aren't as thick. Pirates of Persia? (Of course, scimitars don't generally have hand-guards either. Man, people need to do their sword research before they go all drawing things!)
@MrBionic: Yeah, I know they look more like Chinese broadswords (dao) or a scimitars by the blade, but I assume they're supposed to be cutlasses or sabers of some sort. And some cutlasses do have a similar squaring, like the pic in their wikipedia entry: [en.wikipedia.org]
@willy626: Yeah, true it's unrealistic as a given, but even giving them artistic license, I still think a giant, curved katana would make the ninjas look way better.
I think the body-length cutlass looks awesome, while that tiny wimp of a ninja-dagger...not so much.
@MrBionic: Yeah, the flaring and squaring is much more scimitar like.
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1. Worker
2. Priest
3. Mage
4. Warrior/Ranger/Catapult
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cutesy characters + Sony = "imaginative ""hardcore"" strategy experience"
Wii Fit tells people to lose weight? "geez Nintendo, what the hell is your problem?!"
people complain about steering around a fat woman with cake? "geez, people, what the hell is your problem?!"
.... just some observations.
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Cutesy characters + Sony + A team based capture the flag game that obviously deals with fighting, blood loss and online multiplayer that cannot be rated by the ESRB = "Hardcore strategy experience".
Notice I still used quotations. I don't like using the terms casual and hardcore too much. Point is, no matter what kind of graphical style a game may use, the genre and the game play usually decides if it's "Casual" or "Hardcore".
Don't mind me. Maybe I took your comment the wrong way, and you meant something completely different! I'm just full from Dinner and saw this Fat Princess news.
I wanted dessert. ^_^
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I think you are reading me correctly and you make good points.
but your main differentiating factor seems to be violence. is that really the only thing """hardcore""" gamers need enjoy a game?
isn't that something we should try to change as this industry GROWS?
also, you're comparing apples and oranges to generalize Nintendo games as just simple and charming but use specifics like CTF for this game.
you should compare this more with games like some of the WiiWare FFCC strategy titles.
I don't see them adding cutesy pirates or ninjas, yet which do you think the """hardcore""" are more receptive to?
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Even though I am against announcing new DLC just after the game has been released.
Let's hope this is a free update.
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People aren't going to pay too much for DLC to a 15 dollar game.
But the way Fat Princess works, odds are there has to be a building for pirates and a building for ninjas, so if its not free then the people with it will probably not have too many others to play with. But seeing as how there is already a pirate ship board it will probably be free.
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Not good so soon after launch.
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These 2 kind of don't really fit the trend though, Isn't a ninja and a pirate essentially just a different kind of warrior...then again I guess it could be argued that a priest could be argued as another kind of mage.
Still seem like a bit gimmicky classes though
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Ninjas are peasant-class citizens, and medieval settings have plenty of peasants.
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Ninjas are peasant-class citizens, and medieval settings have plenty of peasants.
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I'm still yet to pick this up... but when I get that student loan.... oh baby!
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Somewhat ironic length representations, too, being as cutlasses (the classic pirate sword) are one-handed shorter swords, while katanas (and the fictional ninja-tou) are usually longer two handers. Seriously, those pirate swords are bigger than they are..
And yes, I'm over-analyzing.
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[en.wikipedia.org]
Another example, a 1917 US Naval cutlass replica:
[www.coldsteel.com]
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Because realism is PARAMOUNT to success in a game where feeding cake to a princess instantly makes her go up 3 dress sizes.
Artistic liscense. As long as its recognizable for what it needs to be, then its fine. The rest is just their for stylistic purpose.
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However, Willy626 has come in and admonished us for being too realistic, so no more! Too much seriousness has backfired!
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I think the body-length cutlass looks awesome, while that tiny wimp of a ninja-dagger...not so much.
@MrBionic: Yeah, the flaring and squaring is much more scimitar like.