I don't understand why people are surprised. Phoenix Wright, as great as it is, is a niche game that has never really sold all that well. The huge investment in cost to redo all the art meant they probably would have lost money on the release.
So, your options are to get the release and hope that more people enjoy the game so that future releases sell or to not get the game and to let the franchise die in obscurity.
@jayntampa: The art has been redone - the PC port a few years ago has slightly redone art. Capcom could've used that, but some think that would've gone past the WiiWare size limit.
Also, the game is niche here, but not in it's native Japan. It wouldn't "die in obscurity."
@jayntampa: The game is fun and is worth playing. Playing the whole series and taking in the story left me with satisfaction that I have never before felt in a game before. Everything came around full circle, and it was a wonderful experience.
Why is it always the people with tits for avatars that have these divisive opinionated comments?
@xybur: First off, what the hell are you talking about? My post is hardly divisive. Second, I call the game great! Third, what the hell does anything have to do with my avatar? It's my gf (who is also a commenter here), and was placed up there in response to Ashcraft's jubblies post rampage a few years back. My friends on here suggested I keep it since it was easy to recognize me.
Learn to read the comments before you post replies.
@jayntampa The PC port, when sent to TV through the 480p Wii would still look pretty close to this. Do a search for some of the PC images -- they weren't high res, unless there there has been a new update I'm unaware of. Check out the jaggies on the PC: [gaygamer.net]
And, I realize it's extremely popular in Japan, but it's obscure in the US -- that's all I was referring to. It's clear that it will continue in it's native land, but it isn't Phoenix Wright there, is it? :) I would love to see it be hugely popular here, I love all the games.
@jayntampa: That's what I'm saying, you're purporting the game is obscure here, but it really isn't. The game is pretty well known around here, and is popular amongst people who own DS', so I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from.
I misunderstood your intention in your posts because of that, and obviously seeing the tits didn't help your cause.
@jayntampa: You're right about the graphics in the pc ver of PW. The screenshot w/ the high res is probably a promo image because that is the only one I have seen on various websites. However, images of the game previewd on various sites shows that the computer ver has the low res pics.
If you do not believe those are the images of the pc port, the official Phoenix wright japanese site shows actual screen grabs.
@xybur: Ok, let's just hit some numbers -- the last Ace Attorney game sold about 200,000 in the US ... a successful DS game, but not hugely known.
Petz Dogz 2 sold over 450,000 in the US.
Phoenix Wright is well-known among hardcore gamers and people that like niche games from Japan. But, the general gaming public doesn't know the series.
@jayntampa: When I got my sister the first game for her birthday, it was in a bargain bin at GameStop wth a bunch of lousy titles surrounding it.
Quality aside - and trust me, the game's worth owning and playing - GameStop usually doesn't put games into those bins if they sold overly well.
I agree with you - Phoenix Wright is a niche title at best (and for anyone who hasn't realized it, we're the niche), and remaking the game or doing a full-blown retail release isn't in Capcom's best interest.
Nice disparity in the artwork-resolution.
If you're gonna be lazy and just reuse graphics from a portable console, don't be stupid enough to throw in a high-res graphic at one place to show everyone what you COULD'VE done with a little effort. Because it's gonna look crap and not really show you in a favorable light.
@Crash__Man: my god, third person tonight with amazing psychic abilities
looks like a GBA game you say? Mind solving some of life's other major mysteries? What color is the sky, for example? We've been wondering that one for a damn long time.
@WhiteMåge: Have you thought of putting your amazing numerical prowess to some more productive use rather than counting (and promoting) redundant posts?
I checked the web and notice that the above pic doesn't represent the actual game. I have seen it on one website whereas other sites and the gamewatch page shows the pc ver with a wallpaper background and the same low res graphics:
...How hard would it have been, really, to replace each sprite scene with a drawing? You'd use the same few over and over again for the most part, just like with the sprites, and it'd look nice, like shot 5, which now looks wildly out of place.
@WhiteMåge: A lot harder than -you- think. You would probably have to re-acquire all the old assets, assuming they where all collected and put in one place like the should be (which they probably aren't, The games industry is notorious for not 'ending' a project correctly cos everyone is so darn burned out). Do an engine re-write so it handles larger graphics nicely. Re-scan and post edit everything again, plus with a game like PW you would probably need some assets done from scratch because they where never drawn on a large scale. Oh and then everything will need testing again. It represents hundreds of man hours of work.
@WhiteMåge: Well, you are basically asking for an entirely new game.
If they were to go through the trouble of replacing every single sprite and animation with artwork and retooled animations, might as well be a new game instead of a remake that may not garner enough attention to justify the output.
Besides, the Ace Attorney games have always been about the gameplay. If we wanted to complain about visuals, there should have been some about the series being a port from the beginning for North America.
@Atomsk88: I fail to understand how "replace the backgrounds and sprites" is "basically asking for an entirely new game" considering absolutely nothing but the sprites and backgrounds would be redone.
@WhiteMåge: Because you wouldn't be making a "proper" port. It would technically be a remake, a.k.a. new game. You'd be adding new artwork, even if it replaces old artwork. You'd be adding new animations because the ones for sprites would be choppy for the new smooth visuals.
Aside from that, with all the work put into remaking an old game, the price would increase to create an equilibrium for the labor and quality that was put in. The best analogy I can think of is like when people flip houses. You might think it's a new coat of paint and furnishing, but there's more work to it than new visuals.
I think the point everyone should be thinking about is how this is pretty much more a Game Boy Advance title than a WiiWare title. The difference is there's an added Wiimote function and you don't have a physical GBA cart.
@Heartless141, dood!: Hey, Higher Res art (DS quality or above) would be excellent. Font would be bigger, yes, but this way, you can get multiple people on one screen (take that for what you will).
@masterage: well, of course multiple people on screen at once is good, also with that evidence 3D model. but that's not enough for me to be impressed. doesn't seem like we can use much cutscenes either. so practically you get a home version of the DS, nothing more.
and i won't tolerate "swing the controller and shout OBJECTION! to raise an objection"
You know, I never did get the first Ace Attorney. I could have got a new copy about a year ago, but Fred Meyer still had the blasted thing labeled for $30! #phoenixwright
@nago: Sure, but at the time I had already spent so much on current games that I didn't feel I should have paid full price for a game that had been around for more than three years. #phoenixwright
@nago: Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of the Ace Attorney series. Simply I can't go through with paying the same amount I would years ago for any game.
However, I may follow through with Mr. Fluffykins's advice and get an import. The cheapest I found is about $27, and that's definitely cheaper than the asking price for the NA copies.
@Atomsk88: Some games actually end up appreciating in value, at least until a rerelease occurs, which it doesn't always. For the longest time the only way to get a copy of Suikoden 2 was to pay about 80-100 dollars on a second hand sale.
That you saw something like the original PW game being sold at it's original retail price is actually a good deal. For quite a while the second hand market was actually above original retail on that one. It was very hard to find. I think Capcom did a second printing, which drove prices down a bit, but... used copies still go pretty darn close to new. #phoenixwright
@Atomsk88: Ugh, Pricing departments are usually pretty dynamic with pricing in stores, especially with new releases of games and hard to find games...It really isn't the employees fault if prices aren't changed as almost all prices would be decided by a commercial/pricing team
If you imagine a company with 70+ stores in the UK and only 1 copy of Phoenix wright coming in a month...then the value would be high...(generally not too high)...
Now compare that to a copy of Imagine Fashion Designer which almost half the stores have multiple copies of...(Bargain bin in my book is a game like too human / fifa 09 with sell for around £3/4)
In this case, it doesn't matter really cause the games are both £12...but pricing departments are dynamic, and that's the reason you see games like ICO and SOTC/MGS3:S Selling for £25+ sure it's close to retail (but usually it's worth it)
@Sol Badguy: Buddy, I understand pricing of games, and also I understand my store a little more. It has hopefully changed though since it has been a while.
Pretty much nothing was marked down from the original retail price. I was ignorant to blame the employees, but I think back to all the poor service and I can't help it. #phoenixwright
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So, your options are to get the release and hope that more people enjoy the game so that future releases sell or to not get the game and to let the franchise die in obscurity.
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Also, the game is niche here, but not in it's native Japan. It wouldn't "die in obscurity."
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Why is it always the people with tits for avatars that have these divisive opinionated comments?
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Learn to read the comments before you post replies.
@jayntampa The PC port, when sent to TV through the 480p Wii would still look pretty close to this. Do a search for some of the PC images -- they weren't high res, unless there there has been a new update I'm unaware of. Check out the jaggies on the PC: [gaygamer.net]
And, I realize it's extremely popular in Japan, but it's obscure in the US -- that's all I was referring to. It's clear that it will continue in it's native land, but it isn't Phoenix Wright there, is it? :) I would love to see it be hugely popular here, I love all the games.
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I misunderstood your intention in your posts because of that, and obviously seeing the tits didn't help your cause.
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If you do not believe those are the images of the pc port, the official Phoenix wright japanese site shows actual screen grabs.
[game.watch.impress.co.jp]
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Petz Dogz 2 sold over 450,000 in the US.
Phoenix Wright is well-known among hardcore gamers and people that like niche games from Japan. But, the general gaming public doesn't know the series.
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Quality aside - and trust me, the game's worth owning and playing - GameStop usually doesn't put games into those bins if they sold overly well.
I agree with you - Phoenix Wright is a niche title at best (and for anyone who hasn't realized it, we're the niche), and remaking the game or doing a full-blown retail release isn't in Capcom's best interest.
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If you're gonna be lazy and just reuse graphics from a portable console, don't be stupid enough to throw in a high-res graphic at one place to show everyone what you COULD'VE done with a little effort. Because it's gonna look crap and not really show you in a favorable light.
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take a gander at picture 5.
that, to me, looks about right for a Wii game.
all the others look like GBA.
... what the heck is going on?
please tell me this isn't more of Kotaku's pixelate-the-Wii-screenshots joke.
and if it isn't, then they've officially cried wolf too many times.
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looks like a GBA game you say? Mind solving some of life's other major mysteries? What color is the sky, for example? We've been wondering that one for a damn long time.
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@Crash__Man: Weird how the PC version is higher quality than the Wii...
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Seriously, is the PC version larger than 43 MB? That would explain soooo much.
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(I know WhiteMage is handling these psychic masterminds pretty well, but I had to respond to at least one of them.)
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[game.watch.impress.co.jp]
The image Crash_man posted is probably a promo image or a fanmade high res picture.
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So either you get a $25 import for the DS, or you pay for the cheap WiiWare version with Wiimote OBJECTION capabilities.
The power is yours!
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Also, it's dual language. Select English at the beginning and you've got Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney.
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Yes stupid, port of a DS game, not GBA.
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Well then what's the point? This reeks of lazyness Nintendo!
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@EolirinX: Shuddap with your "logic" jerk!
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Well now it all makes sense....
#speakup
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They may as well just sell a Super Super Gameboy.
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If they were to go through the trouble of replacing every single sprite and animation with artwork and retooled animations, might as well be a new game instead of a remake that may not garner enough attention to justify the output.
Besides, the Ace Attorney games have always been about the gameplay. If we wanted to complain about visuals, there should have been some about the series being a port from the beginning for North America.
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Aside from that, with all the work put into remaking an old game, the price would increase to create an equilibrium for the labor and quality that was put in. The best analogy I can think of is like when people flip houses. You might think it's a new coat of paint and furnishing, but there's more work to it than new visuals.
I think the point everyone should be thinking about is how this is pretty much more a Game Boy Advance title than a WiiWare title. The difference is there's an added Wiimote function and you don't have a physical GBA cart.
11/18/09
Whew...I was worried their for a moment. I love Ace Attorney, but i want it to stay on the DS. I love being able to take it with me where ever I go.
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Also, how are they going to take away your ability to play it on the DS? Just wondering...
Oh, and why is everyone complaining? There's a PC port, yet all I'm seeing is "It's on Wii, now it sucks" or some variant.
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'Cuz if they do, hoo boy.
WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS
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introducing the new phoenix wright, featuring BIGGEERRR FONNNNTTTT #phoenixwright
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Let's see what happens. #phoenixwright
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and i won't tolerate "swing the controller and shout OBJECTION! to raise an objection"
that would be OBJECTED!
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If they do come stateside (and you have a wii), I can heartily recommend them. #phoenixwright
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However, I may follow through with Mr. Fluffykins's advice and get an import. The cheapest I found is about $27, and that's definitely cheaper than the asking price for the NA copies.
And I do have a thing for imports. #phoenixwright
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That you saw something like the original PW game being sold at it's original retail price is actually a good deal. For quite a while the second hand market was actually above original retail on that one. It was very hard to find. I think Capcom did a second printing, which drove prices down a bit, but... used copies still go pretty darn close to new. #phoenixwright
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Well, except for the bargain bin games where there were dozens of copies of the same game. #phoenixwright
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If you imagine a company with 70+ stores in the UK and only 1 copy of Phoenix wright coming in a month...then the value would be high...(generally not too high)...
Now compare that to a copy of Imagine Fashion Designer which almost half the stores have multiple copies of...(Bargain bin in my book is a game like too human / fifa 09 with sell for around £3/4)
In this case, it doesn't matter really cause the games are both £12...but pricing departments are dynamic, and that's the reason you see games like ICO and SOTC/MGS3:S Selling for £25+ sure it's close to retail (but usually it's worth it)
My post is too long....and not to the point #Pricing #commercial #8yearoldgamestillworththemoney
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Pretty much nothing was marked down from the original retail price. I was ignorant to blame the employees, but I think back to all the poor service and I can't help it. #phoenixwright
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#speakup
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