The Press Start cartoons are funny, but it is so hard to justify watching this movie to your friends when the actors look like this. #pressstart2continue
@Archaotic: I think what it comes down to is that people these days have way too much ADD and need to shoot or slash something, so sitting back and watching a narrative unfold is just too much for them.
Seriously, the dialogue in Two Worlds was so bad, I think that the first time the game was played in public, Shakespeare came back to life just to shoot himself in the head in protest.
@eboku: Well, technically, Two Worlds was an Eastern RPG. Eastern Europe that is.
Neither JRPGs nor WRPGs are inherently superior to the other. They are both very different and fulfill each of their roles very well. There are great games, and real stinkers, in both.
The point of this game is to show a crappy version of turnbased battle systems. I have yet to play a jrpg as redundant as this.
Most turnbased systems are designed as following: One click selects type of action, next selects target. If a multiple-choice type of action is used, add one extra click.
This was designed as (and with a mouse): Click to select character, click to select type of action, click to select subtype, click to select target. That is, already more redundant than Final Fantasy 1.
If it was with a gamepad, I could easily halve the time needed for commands, but this was designed to be a pain.
If this was an attempt at comedy, I did not get it. If there are real games with as badly designed menus, I probably wouldn't play them either.
Besides controls, it was funny, but nothing special.
Maybe the disdain for JRPG's has probably more to do with their fanbase than the actual games themselves? I've never met such a loyal, rabid fanbase that at the same time seems so insular, stubborn, niche, and dramatic. Fans of JRPG's and Japanese gaming in general have a chip on their shoulder, which can be justifiable at times but damn can it be one big ass chip sometimes.
@Leobebes: Well, the gaming press and "mainstream" gamers make fun of them at every opportunity with shit like "BELTS AND ZIPPERS" or "androgynous heroes lol".
How would you feel if someone walked up to you and yelled in your face every time you got excited about a game?
@Leobebes: As well as Star Wars fans. I think the fault here is at fanboys in general. PLUS the lack of open-mind about western and eastern games at all, as well as comics/mangas, so people can actually realize that they all are the same crap and they all have some gems and some shit on them, so they can play the good ones. I have headaches with some jrpgs like , well, FFVII (i hate it's gameplay.), but stuff like Secret of Evermore and Final Fantasy Mystic Quest are pukable. but well, I played diablo 1/2, the very ld pc dungons&dragons, ffvi, chrono trigger, money island, grim fandango, arcana (snes), al'quadim, startropics, ffvi, Willow (NES) so many games, and those old ones some of them I don't even know anymore if they are from japan, england, europe, or whatever. I just liked them. (while hating others, like most Ultima games, that I deslike the controls, gameplay, graphics, awlful godamn wierd perspective, but I liked Ultima_VIII:_Pagan a lot, because if fixes them. And Ultima has a cult of close-minded retarded fans much like Final Fantays has). Most modern rpgs are only about graphics. But take a fw ones like FFXII, or even stuff like Fallout3 (which isn't exaclt a normal rpg) or star wars kotor, which I haven't played much but I know it's good). RPG or not, there are too many close-minded fanboys who won't play shadow of the colossus because it's "japanese cult wierdo", or god of war because it's "hollywood mainstream dumb game".
It doesn't fail, yes we know that SE and Normura are the ruiners of respectable JRPGs everywhere. But 'belts and zippers', 'spiky haired youths' and 'androgynous heroes' hurr hurr are just as bad as God of War clone, Halo clone or GTA clone for everything.
Granted, even if the JRPG had those particular elements it doesn't negate it from being a decent RPG if it proves to be....it just seems that a JRPG is punished by it.
@Archaotic: We have none other than legitimate game journalists, such as magazine contributors and editors, to blame for that, as I've mentioned previously. That JRPG jokes started with them.
Then G4TV got the memo from corporate that JRPG bashing was "in" with the gamer crowd and they needed more of that in their daily programming.
@Rachel Fogg: Whoa whoa whoa, God of War in itself is a clone, and Halo is more so a clone... GTA I think is the only one that stands on it's own two feet, how you gonna get angry at a clone of a clone though? Seems as redundant as a JRPG to me.
@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: Exactly. Internet journalists, magazines, and even Adam Sessler, a man I USUALLY respect for a lot of his opinions, seem to think bashing JRPGs just because they're JRPGs is cool.
It's just so frustrating to see the industry trying deliberately to put an entire section of gaming to death because it doesn't fit their big-budget, Hollywood, grunts-and-guns mentality.
@amg0D: Bad publicity can doom a game's sales. Easily. Especially when the press repeatedly tries to hammer into gamers' heads that a genre is totally irredeemable unless it submits to the mainstream definition of what an RPG is.
Of course, if they do THAT, then the press calls the game a ripoff and 'derivative of better games'. It's impossible to win.
No no my friend God of War is the most badass ever then ever game because Kratos is super badass like UBER bad ass then Dante and Hayabusa! Like his game is hard and more better then any of those! :spasms:
Seriously, I've heard that thrown to me several times. Don't get me wrong, GoW is a great game and very fun but the orgasming over Kratos is enough to choke a horse. The game wasn't THAT good, my brother likes it though.
GTA III was different then the past top down of GTA I and II, no one seems to remember those GTAs...alot of people have only heard of III and Vice City. But the hype for IV was RIDICULOUS and it wasn't worth half of it, like GoW, IV was a great game but the media orgy over it was unbelievable.
Those two games have are constantly having other games compared to it.
@Rachel Fogg: I remember all GTA's and the only reason I say it stands on it's own two feet, is because it was the first of it's genre, again I also said "I think" on that one, never heard of any other, until after it hit fame.
Also kudo's to your sarcasm, because I almost didn't catch it even the second time. GTA had continuations and clones of itself, but Halo well that's a given that it's no where near the first FPS and not even close to original, and I've never played GoW but seen it played (first hand, your brother isn't the only one that loves that game) and it is exactly a clone of other games as well. Kinda sad that they have become the comparison games though like you said, because there were others before it, and I loved DMC 1 more so then what I've seen of GoW.
@Archaotic: I agree it can hurt sales (but it can also create more, because like I say to all the people crying about CAD, all they are doing is making others that don't know about the game/comic, go find out for themselves) but it's never going to be enough to put it out of business, there are people like myself who simply like a menu based game, and it's more prone to hit or misses, but to me it's more like reading a book I play those games for the stories and visuals not the way the battles play out, even those can have a bit of strategy towards them, take FFVII for example, sure you can get through the game simply bashing things into the ground, but since that game was released 10 years ago, people have figured out ways to manipulate the system (all without cheats) to say beat ruby without taking a single hit, or beat Safer Sephiroth in one hit. They have re-playability if you just look for new ways to do them.
Another note, I was more then excited back when dual-shock first hit, and analog worked on FFVIII (come to loath that game in the end though, again hit or miss) and I figured out I could play that entire game with one hand, setting the controller in my lap, and using my right hand moving the analog with my thumb, and using the rest of my fingers to press the other buttons, left my other hand free to do other things, smoke for one :P
Now que masturbation jokes, because I know you all got em.
@Archaotic: Hey Arch you trying to tell other folks that their shit smells when yours is exactly the same. Since I can pull up examples of you bitching about shit just becuase it doesnt sit well with your own "personal" views.
Gotta admit, it was a pretty fun game. JRPG Blade is sweet!
I used to play JRPG's allot a few years ago, but video-games as a whole have taken a backseat as of late. Don't really have much interest in many of the games out and most JRPG's these days refuse to be anything but trite and cliché-ridden. The 90's was their heyday without a doubt. Good times.
Contribute it to age, change of taste, growing out of it, etc, but I just couldn't stand the flash game due to it being turn based. Turn based games are just not my pot of tea anymore which makes me sad since some of the best times I had were from turn based JRPGs :(
Truthfully, I really don't know what happened to JRPGs this gen, there several that stood out like LO and VC; but the majority seems hellbent on catering to the Loli-lovers/shotalover/bishounen lovers and Otaku of the JRPG fanbase.
This isn't a new phenomena of course, JRPGs always had some of this...I guess certain themes this gen just got louder.
That's of course not to say that every classic was made of win, you can put on Rose coloured glasses all you want but it's true.
Every genre is a victim of sameness been there done that tripe, it's not just JRPGs...they're just the easiest to spot and the easiest to make fun of.
I could write for HOURS on my reasons why..but I'll keep it short and ask, where's my generic FPS parody mini game timewasters?
Am I the only one annoyed when any post about final fantasy or jRPGs in general comes out, there's a flood of gamers who apparently used to "love" jRPGs but complain that they are always the same.
It's not like games haven't been trying to be different, say what you will about the games but the flops of TLR and Infinite Undiscovery were a poorly funded and executed but drastic step in a different direction.
This is a really good parody. I like how it won't let you escape no matter how many times you try. "You tripped on an untied shoelace, pride prevents you from tying it again". And how there is just new "more powerful form" each time. HAHA. Great find Owen.
10/19/09
The Press Start cartoons are funny, but it is so hard to justify watching this movie to your friends when the actors look like this. #pressstart2continue
10/19/09
You kidding? When the actors look like that, it's hard to convince my friends to watch anything else. #pressstart2continue
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And yes, that is the greatest sequel title in history. #pressstart2continue
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08/24/09
Is it possible to lose? I've had a quick flick through the comments, everyone's seemed to either quit, hit a bug, or finished it.
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...sorry, I find my own jokes immensely clever.
*Gutierrez voice* Laugh with me, laugh with me!
08/24/09
Oh wait, that's a quote from a Japanese game, it is clearly cliche, LOLZANIME writing and infinitely inferior even to the writing in Twilight.
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Seriously, the dialogue in Two Worlds was so bad, I think that the first time the game was played in public, Shakespeare came back to life just to shoot himself in the head in protest.
08/24/09
Neither JRPGs nor WRPGs are inherently superior to the other. They are both very different and fulfill each of their roles very well. There are great games, and real stinkers, in both.
08/24/09
And Madden And Halo are the friggin' whipping boys for stereotypical "frat boy" gaming.
08/23/09
Most turnbased systems are designed as following: One click selects type of action, next selects target. If a multiple-choice type of action is used, add one extra click.
This was designed as (and with a mouse): Click to select character, click to select type of action, click to select subtype, click to select target. That is, already more redundant than Final Fantasy 1.
If it was with a gamepad, I could easily halve the time needed for commands, but this was designed to be a pain.
If this was an attempt at comedy, I did not get it. If there are real games with as badly designed menus, I probably wouldn't play them either.
Besides controls, it was funny, but nothing special.
08/23/09
I sat there bored and in tears.
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How would you feel if someone walked up to you and yelled in your face every time you got excited about a game?
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08/23/09
This.
Every. Freaking. Time.
It doesn't fail, yes we know that SE and Normura are the ruiners of respectable JRPGs everywhere. But 'belts and zippers', 'spiky haired youths' and 'androgynous heroes' hurr hurr are just as bad as God of War clone, Halo clone or GTA clone for everything.
Granted, even if the JRPG had those particular elements it doesn't negate it from being a decent RPG if it proves to be....it just seems that a JRPG is punished by it.
Bah...I dunno.
08/23/09
Then G4TV got the memo from corporate that JRPG bashing was "in" with the gamer crowd and they needed more of that in their daily programming.
Now it's commonplace.
Also, you forgot giant swowrdz lolol.
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It's just so frustrating to see the industry trying deliberately to put an entire section of gaming to death because it doesn't fit their big-budget, Hollywood, grunts-and-guns mentality.
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Of course, if they do THAT, then the press calls the game a ripoff and 'derivative of better games'. It's impossible to win.
08/24/09
No no my friend God of War is the most badass ever then ever game because Kratos is super badass like UBER bad ass then Dante and Hayabusa! Like his game is hard and more better then any of those! :spasms:
Seriously, I've heard that thrown to me several times. Don't get me wrong, GoW is a great game and very fun but the orgasming over Kratos is enough to choke a horse. The game wasn't THAT good, my brother likes it though.
GTA III was different then the past top down of GTA I and II, no one seems to remember those GTAs...alot of people have only heard of III and Vice City. But the hype for IV was RIDICULOUS and it wasn't worth half of it, like GoW, IV was a great game but the media orgy over it was unbelievable.
Those two games have are constantly having other games compared to it.
08/24/09
Also kudo's to your sarcasm, because I almost didn't catch it even the second time. GTA had continuations and clones of itself, but Halo well that's a given that it's no where near the first FPS and not even close to original, and I've never played GoW but seen it played (first hand, your brother isn't the only one that loves that game) and it is exactly a clone of other games as well. Kinda sad that they have become the comparison games though like you said, because there were others before it, and I loved DMC 1 more so then what I've seen of GoW.
@Archaotic: I agree it can hurt sales (but it can also create more, because like I say to all the people crying about CAD, all they are doing is making others that don't know about the game/comic, go find out for themselves) but it's never going to be enough to put it out of business, there are people like myself who simply like a menu based game, and it's more prone to hit or misses, but to me it's more like reading a book I play those games for the stories and visuals not the way the battles play out, even those can have a bit of strategy towards them, take FFVII for example, sure you can get through the game simply bashing things into the ground, but since that game was released 10 years ago, people have figured out ways to manipulate the system (all without cheats) to say beat ruby without taking a single hit, or beat Safer Sephiroth in one hit. They have re-playability if you just look for new ways to do them.
Another note, I was more then excited back when dual-shock first hit, and analog worked on FFVIII (come to loath that game in the end though, again hit or miss) and I figured out I could play that entire game with one hand, setting the controller in my lap, and using my right hand moving the analog with my thumb, and using the rest of my fingers to press the other buttons, left my other hand free to do other things, smoke for one :P
Now que masturbation jokes, because I know you all got em.
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>bashing JRPGs just because they're JRPGs is cool.
>their big-budget, Hollywood, grunts-and-guns mentality.
*cough*
08/23/09
I used to play JRPG's allot a few years ago, but video-games as a whole have taken a backseat as of late. Don't really have much interest in many of the games out and most JRPG's these days refuse to be anything but trite and cliché-ridden. The 90's was their heyday without a doubt. Good times.
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08/23/09
What happen?
"Turn based games are just not my pot of tea anymore which makes me sad since some of the best times I had were from turn based JRPGs."
Oh, so you don't find that turn based games entertain anymore mainly from their refusure to evolve?
08/23/09
Truthfully, I really don't know what happened to JRPGs this gen, there several that stood out like LO and VC; but the majority seems hellbent on catering to the Loli-lovers/shotalover/bishounen lovers and Otaku of the JRPG fanbase.
This isn't a new phenomena of course, JRPGs always had some of this...I guess certain themes this gen just got louder.
That's of course not to say that every classic was made of win, you can put on Rose coloured glasses all you want but it's true.
Every genre is a victim of sameness been there done that tripe, it's not just JRPGs...they're just the easiest to spot and the easiest to make fun of.
I could write for HOURS on my reasons why..but I'll keep it short and ask, where's my generic FPS parody mini game timewasters?
08/23/09
It's not like games haven't been trying to be different, say what you will about the games but the flops of TLR and Infinite Undiscovery were a poorly funded and executed but drastic step in a different direction.
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