Working retail, I've noticed Modern Warfare 2's sales have slowed down rather dramatically compared to the first week of sales, and unsurprisingly enough, the closer we get to Christmas, the more copies of New Super Mario Bros. Wii we seem to be selling. We can hardly keep it in stock now. Every shipment we get is gone within a few days, and the shipments aren't very small.
We all know this game is going to do very well.
Nintendo games tend to be at top of charts for very long time, very long tail.
And with Xmas coming up its going to do even better.
I think that by end of January(to account for the sales n folks spending xmas cash) this game will have an easy 5-7 million under its belt. Don't need to be Pachter to figure that one out.
It's apparent that many of us still love Mario. We grew up on him. He'll always have a place in our heart, but it's also become apparent. That many of us have moved on to bigger and better things.
"Halo 3 previously held the spot when it sold 3.3 million units in September '07 in 12 days at retail. MW2 bested Halo 3's daily sales rate by 16% in its 19 days at retail in November."
1. Halo 3 was on one single platform (X360) and not three like Modern Warfare 2.
2. Xbox 360 had a smaller install base than we current do by millions.
So it's not exactly a fair comparison by NPD in my opinion.
@Terrorsaur - Five Six: How did Reggie's future telling abilities not come through for him??? Does his mean Pachter is right and Reggie is wrong (even though he works for Nintendo)? We're getting the Wii HD!?!?!?!??! OMG!
@Terrorsaur - Five Six: Worry not. MW2 sales are going to drop like a brick, while NSMB will sell the same way, say, Mario Kart has - i.e. still making the top 10 going on 3 years later.
Looking at the 360/Ps3 numbers for MW2 and the numbers for AC2, it still looks like the install base for 360's in the US is pretty much double of the PS3. I wonder if the gap is ever going to close?
@MrBounce:
it will but it will be gradual turn of events. yeah the u.s console market does seem to favor the xbox360 but in japan and europe, there is a much different story told.
@MrBounce: This also doesn't reflect the global balance of these game sales. This is US only; MW2 for the PS3 has an extra 2.5 million copies sold outside of the US, and a much closer number to the 360s when you consider Europe and other continents
@MrBounce: I don't believe the gap is double. I believe MS may have about a 3/2 advantage. I think the 360 simply sells more software especially per user. This doesn't really mean the PS3 is "losing" however. I'd say the US gap will be even around 2013/2014 a year or two after the new Xbox.
@MrBounce: If it does, it's clearly going to take a fair amount of time. It's going to be impossible for the PS3 to sell double its install base in only a few months.
Personally I doubt it will ever happen. The American system is popular in NA, while the Japanese system is popular in Japan. Not a shocker really. Especially when MS clearly knows how to cater to NA tastes better (Hint: We like our online features in these parts. As far as consoles go, you can't top the 360's).
@Dark_Mirage:
who cares really.
at the end of the day, it always boils down to personal preference. numbers dont matter in the slightest as long if you feel your investment in either system has been worth it. is that not what should matter in the end ?
@70x7brandnew: Yah the "double" the user base was more of a generalization on showing the gap between the two systems in North America. It's getting closer to a 3/2 base as more PS3's sell.
@Kristopher.W: As an avid gamer I bought the 360 when it first came out, and I have a PS3 as well, so I do agree it's personal preference (sadly my 360 RRoD'ed once too many times and is out of warranty, but it was still a good investment for the amount of play I got out of it).
But at the same time I think install base does matter because a company can't sustain their business model if their consoles don't sell (ie. Sega). I'd hate to see one console end up dominating and eventually killing off others.
@MrBounce: competition is a great thing, especially in this entertainment market. can you imagine if there was only one standard console we were all forced to play? that would be ludacris.
with that said, i have no problem with the healthy competition between ms and sony. what i dont like nor do i appreciate are the fanboys and such who come out of the woodwork declaring that the other console is a failure, and its amusing to note that ms fanboys are far more explicit or aggressive then those of the ps3 or even the wii. perhaps this serves as evidence of what age group favours the other...to be honest, seeing mid- late 20's insulting the xbox 360 while standing up for the ps3 is something i have yet to ever see and is quite absurd. it is usually the hardcore kids under 20 who curse at the ps3's existence and make some sort of self-righteous declaration of the xbox 360's supposed 'superiority'.
@Kristopher.W: In terms of investment my PS3 is definitely giving me more bang for my money than my 360 because of my ever-growing Bluray collection. Of course I'm the type that spends quite a bit of money on games / movies so I'm probably not the norm.
As for fanboys, well, they're fanboys. There always seems to be so many of them, but it's more than likely because they are so vocal, esp. on the web. I don't expect them to change, and if someone is such a rabid fanboy that they actually ignore a system because of simple fanboy hate, it's their loss.
If it wasn't for the fact I traded in all my 360 games, I probably would pick up a newer model 360 again. As it stands though, I'm gunning for a Wii instead as there aren't any 360 exclusives in the horizon that make me want to get another one. Although when Gears of War 3 comes out... :D
@MrBounce: lol...and gears of war 3 will come out when ? no thanks. my anticipation for the half dozen or so ps3 exclusive/AAA-expectant games this year alone should keep me busy for at least the next full year.
i had an xbox 360. i sold it to a younger cousin of mine. i had always been a large supporter of the sony brand; i had over 30 games for the ps2, so getting a ps3 just less then 2 years ago just made sense. it didnt make sense to have both systems knowing i was slowly losing interest in the xbox 360. i saw the capabilities of the ps3 and that made me want to support it even more. i think the xbox360 is a great console, it has its selectionof great games but to compare its longevity to the ps3, and anyone can see why those who are media/gaming enthusiasts who want to keep the same kind of system turn to the ps3.
both my gaming and bluray movie library is growing literally by the month - if there is no game i purchase by the end of the month, i know there is at least one movie which would take its place - especially since the cost of blurays have gone down recently.
@CockroachMan: Why are you defending Reggie? None of his comments require defense. He stated that the total sales of New Super Mario Bros. would exceed individuals sales of COD:MW2 on 360 or PS3 over the holiday sales period (Black Friday - end of January). I can almost guarantee that it's going to punch the PS3 version in the face.
@phisheep: A smart move, but a cheap cop out it will be. He gets to pick and choose which platform he wants go up against and treat it independently, even though MW2's sales have been split by the fact that it's available for both consoles.
@phisheep: Ok, thanks for promoting us both :). Thought you didn´t look for hidden posts already stating your points like many people sadly do. But now I am a bit wiser :D
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Working retail, I've noticed Modern Warfare 2's sales have slowed down rather dramatically compared to the first week of sales, and unsurprisingly enough, the closer we get to Christmas, the more copies of New Super Mario Bros. Wii we seem to be selling. We can hardly keep it in stock now. Every shipment we get is gone within a few days, and the shipments aren't very small.
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Those mushrooms sure are somethin' hey Mario?
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The color of Mario, and the shape/color of the stars is very close to the "Murakami" design.
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Nintendo games tend to be at top of charts for very long time, very long tail.
And with Xmas coming up its going to do even better.
I think that by end of January(to account for the sales n folks spending xmas cash) this game will have an easy 5-7 million under its belt. Don't need to be Pachter to figure that one out.
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1. Halo 3 was on one single platform (X360) and not three like Modern Warfare 2.
2. Xbox 360 had a smaller install base than we current do by millions.
So it's not exactly a fair comparison by NPD in my opinion.
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Choose the PC as the platform you meant NSMBW would outsell!!
Do IT!!!!
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it will but it will be gradual turn of events. yeah the u.s console market does seem to favor the xbox360 but in japan and europe, there is a much different story told.
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Personally I doubt it will ever happen. The American system is popular in NA, while the Japanese system is popular in Japan. Not a shocker really. Especially when MS clearly knows how to cater to NA tastes better (Hint: We like our online features in these parts. As far as consoles go, you can't top the 360's).
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who cares really.
at the end of the day, it always boils down to personal preference. numbers dont matter in the slightest as long if you feel your investment in either system has been worth it. is that not what should matter in the end ?
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But at the same time I think install base does matter because a company can't sustain their business model if their consoles don't sell (ie. Sega). I'd hate to see one console end up dominating and eventually killing off others.
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with that said, i have no problem with the healthy competition between ms and sony. what i dont like nor do i appreciate are the fanboys and such who come out of the woodwork declaring that the other console is a failure, and its amusing to note that ms fanboys are far more explicit or aggressive then those of the ps3 or even the wii. perhaps this serves as evidence of what age group favours the other...to be honest, seeing mid- late 20's insulting the xbox 360 while standing up for the ps3 is something i have yet to ever see and is quite absurd. it is usually the hardcore kids under 20 who curse at the ps3's existence and make some sort of self-righteous declaration of the xbox 360's supposed 'superiority'.
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As for fanboys, well, they're fanboys. There always seems to be so many of them, but it's more than likely because they are so vocal, esp. on the web. I don't expect them to change, and if someone is such a rabid fanboy that they actually ignore a system because of simple fanboy hate, it's their loss.
If it wasn't for the fact I traded in all my 360 games, I probably would pick up a newer model 360 again. As it stands though, I'm gunning for a Wii instead as there aren't any 360 exclusives in the horizon that make me want to get another one. Although when Gears of War 3 comes out... :D
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i had an xbox 360. i sold it to a younger cousin of mine. i had always been a large supporter of the sony brand; i had over 30 games for the ps2, so getting a ps3 just less then 2 years ago just made sense. it didnt make sense to have both systems knowing i was slowly losing interest in the xbox 360. i saw the capabilities of the ps3 and that made me want to support it even more. i think the xbox360 is a great console, it has its selectionof great games but to compare its longevity to the ps3, and anyone can see why those who are media/gaming enthusiasts who want to keep the same kind of system turn to the ps3.
both my gaming and bluray movie library is growing literally by the month - if there is no game i purchase by the end of the month, i know there is at least one movie which would take its place - especially since the cost of blurays have gone down recently.
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Now we just need Akimbo 1887s nerfed.
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Anyway, considering how Nintendo games usually sells.. NSMBWii should eventually sell more then MW2.. In a year or so.
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Further in Reggie's defence, what he said was that NSMBWii would outsell *one* of the SKUs of MW2 come January NPD.
And it is only 500K behind the PS3 SKU.
Likely he will be right.
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EDIT: And I won´t say exactly the same thing 5 mins later instead :P
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