Nintendo is probably the only games company on the planet who thinks that 10 million sales is "not to expectations" and makes it worthwhile to cancel a franchise. #newsupermariobros
You guys do know that Super Mario Bros. 2, at least the US version was actually Doki Doki Panic re-skinned with mario and the gang right? So maybe the reason the old smb2 mechanics/character roster wasn't used is because the mario development team never really had anything to do with smb2. #newsupermariobros
seriously i thought palette swaps were dead at this point. how is nintendo allowed to us them for two of the main characters to one of their console games. a console game that happens to be their main fucking franchise! #newsupermariobros
@abort_user: Umm...no. This is a freaking 2D platformer. Nobody cares that the player 3 and 4 characters are pallet swaps. This isn't a fighting game or something. Hell 2D games have been using pallet swaps for decades (even past Super Mario games, plus games like Contra, etc.) and nobody EVER cared. #newsupermariobros
@MARl0: name recent 2d platformers released by a big budget dev to feature palette swaps on two of the main characters who are rendered in 3d.
hell name games that have 3d characters who are mere palette swaps.
my point still stands. no one else would be allowed to get away w/ this. nintendo clearly doesnt have to follow the same set of rules that everyone else does. #newsupermariobros
this is great news. i sometimes feel bad for Nintendo- who just can't seem to win over the hardcore fanbase. i guess i'm guilty of it too. since Nintendo has seen massive success with both the Wii and DS brands- the core gaming audience dumps on them for "selling out" to the new casual crowd and not enough people seem to acknowledge or appreciate when a really good title aimed squarely at the old-school gamers comes out and is totally awesome and does incredible sales like this.
Nintendo is having a slow year- so hopefully they will realize that we want more games like this (and mario galaxy, and Zelda, and Mario kart, and smash bros.. etc. etc.) and the next year or 2 will deliver on the promise of the Wii and they will start making the kind of games that made nintendo matter in the first place! with sales at 20 million copies- yeah, it's safe to say the fans are still out there and willing to buy great games :D #newsupermariobros
so i guess 50,540,000 copies of wii sports have been traded in, and been sold as second hand i dont think so nintendo its a free game how can it have sales #newsupermariobros
@pneboy: No. The 50-million figure includes hardware bundles, according to the Nintendo filing I pulled this from and linked to at the bottom of this post #newsupermariobros
I'm not implying that half of the population of japan bought it, I was merely providing a possible justification for including Wii sports in the sales numbers. I only know that it was not bundled in japan, that's all. Maybe there were other countries that sold Wii Sports as a stand-alone as well? I dunno. #newsupermariobros
Mario has been done to death. You need to give some Star Fox love, or a new IP. There is such thing as too much Mario. It also makes me sad that a rehashed game like New Super Mario sells 20 million and all the combined game sales on the PS3 or Xbox360 on any given year can barely match it, or seems that way with AAA games selling at most a few million. #newsupermariobros
@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: That's true for the PS3 and Xbox360 as well, which have many more new IPs than Nintendo, and they sell poorly in comparison to juggernauts like Mario. I never said new IPs sell well, but don't tell me you think innovation is a bad thing. #newsupermariobros
1985 Super Mario Bros.
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So in all, we have 11 games across 7 systems in a span of almost 25 years. In the case of 2D platformers, NSMB was the first in over a decade. Conversely, you've got seven main Call of Duty games in the last six years, but I don't hear people complaining about it. Mario sells well because the games are wicked fun.
However, there really does need to be a lot more attention given to the Starfox and Metroid franchises. I'd kill for another 2D Metroid like Zero, Fusion, or 3. #newsupermariobros
@Markarian: There's also Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario and Super Paper Mario, which aren't platformers per se, but are main Mario games as well.
Not to count the incontable Mario Party games, as well as all the Mario Karts, Mario Golfs, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball, Mario Strikers. Of course, they can be put aside, because they're spin-offs that go in completely different directions, but I think that was what kimahri meant when he said that Nintendo was "milking" Mario. In a certain sense, they are, but certainly not in the area of platforming games. #newsupermariobros
@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: This is the primary reason why intellectual rights should lapse in a much shorter lifespan... If rights to Mario and Zelda and Final Fantasy had become public domain, publishers couldn't keep hiding behind their big names like this forever and they'd be forced to come up with new ideas. I mean, of course they could still be churning out Mario games in that situation too, but so could everyone else. So yeah, copyright law is killing innovation... #newsupermariobros
@Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.: Okami was poorly marketed, and is my favorite game. If Capcom had never cared to put all the money and love into making Okami, there would be no Okami, and I would never have had the great pleasure of playing it. I'm sure it was true for Mario too, back when they first released it. You can't have great, innovative games without new IP, because you can only veer off so much without alienating the fan base (Starfox). And Nintendo is still the biggest milker of old cows, by far, and hasn't birthed any new calves that I can see. Not saying Mario is bad, because I still like Mario, but I wouldn't mind shoving a big fat grenade into Mario's plumbing right now and leaving him for dead, the way he is suffocating everything else in Nintendo-land.
Kratos doesn't keep Sackboys and Nathan Drakes from having a share of the pie. Nor does Master Chief from Marcus Fenix or Alan Shepherd. I'd take a three or foursome any day. #newsupermariobros
@kimahri.blue: It wasn't just Okami. Every single one of Clover's games failed to make it's development dollars back. Even VJ underperformed. #newsupermariobros
@RicoTheSaboteur: I bet it was a return to the classic formula that had gamers like me excited. I really enjoy the 2D side-scrolling with simplified items and controls, so that was really cool for me.
Are you turned off by the Wii version as well? or would you try that out?
Clearly mario is not about the story, its all about challenging, wacky levels and tight controls which i think NSMB delivers. #newsupermariobros
@colewheeler: The formula was a little too classic and by the numbers for me. As its name clearly imply, New Super Mario Bros is a kind of homage to the first Super Mario Bros and its very dated level design. It is not a successor to the games that aged well like the 3rd, World or Yoshi's Island: games that could be released today and still be masterpieces.
In the same vein, this New New Super Mario Bros on Wii looks pretty miserable sofar, but it is no surprise since levels have to be pretty simple if you want them to allow for great 4 players fun. I suspect it will be an entertaining and federating party game, but another pretty poor Super Mario Bros. #newsupermariobros
And we wonder why Nintendo refuses to release games in a timely manner? They make one game and it sells more copies than the last 3 AAA titles on the PS3 and 360 combined. #newsupermariobros
If you create a sequel to NSMB (DS), please let me save after every level, without having to beat the game first. It was the wrong way to create "challenge" on a handheld title. Also, in Super Mario World, a game I realize you made a long time ago, you labeled the levels (in red) that had multiple paths branching from them. I began to resent the levels in NSMB after searching them over and over for secret routes that weren't there.
Elsewhere in the world, at SEGA HQ, there's an executive shaking his head, thinking "Golly, we should have started that next-gen 2D Sonic earlier". #newsupermariobros
@Griefy: First Color Handheld-Huge, bigger then the freaking Turbo Express and somehow ate batteries faster. AA batteries died screaming in it. So so support.
First Disc Based Ad-on (Didn't work without a Mega Drive)-Huge, laughable disc loading times. Loaded down with FMV games and old reborn NEMO software. Very few RPG's. Cost way too much.
First Internet Ready Console-The sins of the past came back to haunt it. GDRoms digustingly easy to copy. #newsupermariobros
yeah, new super mario bros on the wii should have been called new super mario bros 2 and they shoulda had peach instead of a 2nd toad. #newsupermariobros
@persocom: no, no we will not. its not like i was complaining, im just saying. i never said i was mad or boycotting the game, im still excited about the title, but im entitled to state my opinions. and yes, its pretty awesome that the koopa kids are in it (im way more excited about yoshi though!), i still stand by my original statement.
why? because i see videogames from more than just the stand point of someone that plays them. im always thinking about concepts and designs.. and i think super mario bros 2 (the us release) was one of the most interesting mario games out of the classics. now we have something like this that has 4 players and the first 2d mario on a home console in years.. so its interesting. being a fan of mario bros 2.. i think that this game being called new super mario bros 2 would be a neat double meaning as in a sequel to new super mario bros, and a NEW approach to mario bros 2.
anyways, if you dont like it when people say these kinds of things, ignore them and move on.
@D-K, a burning sensation: lakitu? haha that would have been interesting for sure.. and yoshi wouldnt have been a good idea since hes a powerup anyways. as someone already said in a previous thread.. "yoshi riding yoshi, thatd be intersting." #newsupermariobros
@shouryuuken: Good call. It woulda been awesome if they could have incorporated the unique movement mechanics of each character from SMB2 into this one. I always loved Luigi's 'running man' jump. #newsupermariobros
@StoneLazerkill: exactly.. how cool would it have been to experience the game differently with each character you play instead of them each just being a skin. mario could be the "strongest", while luigi jumps highest. toad the fastest, while peach jumps farthest.. and floats.
id say that each one should represent a difficulty and they could have meant something in a single player mode.
but once again, im still super stoked about this game.. i just love to daydream about game design. #newsupermariobros
@shouryuuken: Don'tcha sometimes wish you could be the voice inside the developers' heads instead of some uncreative lame-ass? Like really. What reasoning do they have? How could they not think of ideas like that? Or not put them in place anyways. #newsupermariobros
@shouryuuken: Peach should be in it. I don't see why they don't show Super Mario 2 more love now a days. Shadow world, super jumps, plucking stuff, all that's awesome! #newsupermariobros
@shouryuuken: It would have been fun if they would have used the 4 characters from Mario 2 and given them the same abilities. Crazy legs Luigi, floating Princess, something for Toad (I guess his Mario 2 ability doesn't really transfer), and all around Mario. #newsupermariobros
@shouryuuken: There is but one problem... Super Mario Bros 2 was never actually released in Japan, at least not the version we got. Since they're selling to the Japanese market too, it'd probably lead to some amount of confusion, since they wouldn't have the same frame of reference. #newsupermariobros
Mario will always have a special place in my heart. Super Mario World for the SNES was the first video game I ever played, and I still picked it up not too long ago and loved it.
As for the sales, I don't think the sales of the Wii Sports that came bundled should count in total sales.
As for the new Super Mario Bros coming out in December, I am tempted to pick up a Wii solely for that game. #newsupermariobros
@FutureShock: Unless you live in Japan, everywhere else will be receiving the game in November. The 11th for Australia, the 15th for North America, and the 20th for Europe. #newsupermariobros
It's amazing how well software sells on the DS compared to consoles and the PSP alike. What game on any console has ever sold 19 million copies? That's insane. This also is a smack in the face to DS haters who dislike it because it has "teh sux graphix", well this proves graphics don't mean squat.
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Still... screw Yellow Toad! I want my floating Peach! #newsupermariobros
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Yay Bullet Bill =] here is a pic of one i did in forza 3 #newsupermariobros
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hell name games that have 3d characters who are mere palette swaps.
my point still stands. no one else would be allowed to get away w/ this. nintendo clearly doesnt have to follow the same set of rules that everyone else does. #newsupermariobros
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Nintendo is having a slow year- so hopefully they will realize that we want more games like this (and mario galaxy, and Zelda, and Mario kart, and smash bros.. etc. etc.) and the next year or 2 will deliver on the promise of the Wii and they will start making the kind of games that made nintendo matter in the first place! with sales at 20 million copies- yeah, it's safe to say the fans are still out there and willing to buy great games :D #newsupermariobros
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I'm not implying that half of the population of japan bought it, I was merely providing a possible justification for including Wii sports in the sales numbers. I only know that it was not bundled in japan, that's all. Maybe there were other countries that sold Wii Sports as a stand-alone as well? I dunno. #newsupermariobros
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wow i just got so owned
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Mario has been done to death. You need to give some Star Fox love, or a new IP. There is such thing as too much Mario. It also makes me sad that a rehashed game like New Super Mario sells 20 million and all the combined game sales on the PS3 or Xbox360 on any given year can barely match it, or seems that way with AAA games selling at most a few million. #newsupermariobros
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1985 Super Mario Bros.
1988 Super Mario Bros. 2
1989 Super Mario Land.
1990 Super Mario Bros 3
1991 Super Mario World
1992 Super Mario Land 2
1995 Yoshi's Island
1996 Super Mario 64
2002 Mario Sunshine
2005 New Super Mario Bros.
2007 Super Mario Galaxy
So in all, we have 11 games across 7 systems in a span of almost 25 years. In the case of 2D platformers, NSMB was the first in over a decade. Conversely, you've got seven main Call of Duty games in the last six years, but I don't hear people complaining about it. Mario sells well because the games are wicked fun.
However, there really does need to be a lot more attention given to the Starfox and Metroid franchises. I'd kill for another 2D Metroid like Zero, Fusion, or 3. #newsupermariobros
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Not to count the incontable Mario Party games, as well as all the Mario Karts, Mario Golfs, Mario Tennis, Mario Baseball, Mario Strikers. Of course, they can be put aside, because they're spin-offs that go in completely different directions, but I think that was what kimahri meant when he said that Nintendo was "milking" Mario. In a certain sense, they are, but certainly not in the area of platforming games. #newsupermariobros
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Kratos doesn't keep Sackboys and Nathan Drakes from having a share of the pie. Nor does Master Chief from Marcus Fenix or Alan Shepherd. I'd take a three or foursome any day. #newsupermariobros
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I wasn't impressed with the levels or the power ups. I'm going to pass on this Wii one. #newsupermariobros
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Are you turned off by the Wii version as well? or would you try that out?
Clearly mario is not about the story, its all about challenging, wacky levels and tight controls which i think NSMB delivers. #newsupermariobros
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In the same vein, this New New Super Mario Bros on Wii looks pretty miserable sofar, but it is no surprise since levels have to be pretty simple if you want them to allow for great 4 players fun. I suspect it will be an entertaining and federating party game, but another pretty poor Super Mario Bros. #newsupermariobros
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If you create a sequel to NSMB (DS), please let me save after every level, without having to beat the game first. It was the wrong way to create "challenge" on a handheld title. Also, in Super Mario World, a game I realize you made a long time ago, you labeled the levels (in red) that had multiple paths branching from them. I began to resent the levels in NSMB after searching them over and over for secret routes that weren't there.
Sincerely,
A Fan #newsupermariobros
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We have come to the firm conclusion that w/e Sega does, it will do bad and someone else will do better using the exact same idea. #newsupermariobros
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First Disc Based Ad-on (Didn't work without a Mega Drive)-Huge, laughable disc loading times. Loaded down with FMV games and old reborn NEMO software. Very few RPG's. Cost way too much.
First Internet Ready Console-The sins of the past came back to haunt it. GDRoms digustingly easy to copy. #newsupermariobros
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I hear this company called Nec had a CD-Rom add-on for its 8/16bit console back in 1988.
While not exactly similar, I hear you could download games over a phone line on the Atari 2600.
What would we have done without Sega? #newsupermariobros
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THE KOOPA KIDS ARE IN IT. NOW PLAY IT AND GIVE IT A REST. #newsupermariobros
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why? because i see videogames from more than just the stand point of someone that plays them. im always thinking about concepts and designs.. and i think super mario bros 2 (the us release) was one of the most interesting mario games out of the classics. now we have something like this that has 4 players and the first 2d mario on a home console in years.. so its interesting. being a fan of mario bros 2.. i think that this game being called new super mario bros 2 would be a neat double meaning as in a sequel to new super mario bros, and a NEW approach to mario bros 2.
anyways, if you dont like it when people say these kinds of things, ignore them and move on.
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id say that each one should represent a difficulty and they could have meant something in a single player mode.
but once again, im still super stoked about this game.. i just love to daydream about game design. #newsupermariobros
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and i'd like to believe that yoshi chooses to aid mario from his own free will, as mario is the first thing he sees after hatching. #newsupermariobros
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As for the sales, I don't think the sales of the Wii Sports that came bundled should count in total sales.
As for the new Super Mario Bros coming out in December, I am tempted to pick up a Wii solely for that game. #newsupermariobros
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