If MS wanted to be consistent, the least they could do is prevent underage kids from downloading mature content only. That shouldn't be that hard to implement. A blanket lock-out of everything is just lazy.
Microsoft's willingness to prevent kids from downloading mature content could, if done properly, send the appropriate message to the knee-jerk anti-game lobby who doesn't understand that adults game too and some of the content out there is geared towards us, not their "precious snowflakes." (Whether or not the most unreasonable of those reactionaries would actually take notice or listen is another story entirely.)
I have no problem with age based restrictions, and as kids grow older, they too will come to appreciate the reasoning behind it and realise the world didn't come to a crashing halt because they couldn't download some mature title on the marketplace.
Really though, it's sad that parents have so little control and/or can't take time out of their busy schedule to monitor their child's gaming habits all the time, not simply when they happen to notice their little darling is already playing Gears of War 2.
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Let your little darling shoot strangers in the face online, unsupervised, all the while hurling obscenities at people twice his age through his headset that you paid for, and jam mountain dew and hot pockets down his gullet.
We were wondering about xBox Live and the ability of kids to download anything they want as long as they have a credit card or a Microsoft Points card just yesterday. I think Microsoft is trying to clean up the behavior on Live and we speculated that eventually they will come up with a way of screening downloads there. I have no idea how, but when parents only sue after the fact instead of being pro-active, what's a corporation to do? It'll be interesting to see how the NZ situation plays out as a way of seeing into our future in our own country.
It's simply them covering their butts before the NZ government kicks them in it. Harsh yes, sucky yes, but when parents don't parent, others have to or end up taking it on the chin.
I'd rather censor myself and protect myself from a government style reaming then 'fight the power' and end up sitting in jail over something like this, which IMHO isn't worth lawsuits, million dollar fines and jail time. Plus the unspeakably bad PR.
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I live in NZ, and two weeks ago on regular, free tv at 9:30pm they showed "the perfect vagina" so anyone of any age could watch flabby labia being cut off a woman's vag, but heaven forbid they download a halo map pack instead.
Isnt this what 'Master' and 'Child' accounts are for? The Master account can control what the child account can do (I may have gotten the terms mixed up but whatever).
The root of the problem here is that the division of Internal Affairs here in New Zealand has not up until this point been placing content ratings on downloadable products.
Microsoft's intention, no doubt, is simply to avoid falling foul of the law here, by halting the sale of what could end up being restricted materials to people that will not be legally allowed to possess it.
What it unfortunately amounts to, however, is a corporation taking it upon themselves to censor media, which is unacceptable.
A government censoring any sort of media is questionable enough, but acceptable given that we live in a democracy, and we could kick up a stink if we really felt that strongly about it.
You could argue that people also vote with their dollars, when it comes to the actions of corporations, but this always ends up as a lot of talk on the part of a vocal minority (i.e. a few Kotaku readers), while Joe Consumer who doesn't give a damn carries on buying whatever he likes.
However, I find myself thinking that, were I in Microsoft's shoes, I would be doing exactly as they are, and for this reason: If a 14 year old currently owns content that will soon, retroactively, become illegal for him to own, where to from there? I would want to avoid as much of that mess as possible, even knowing that there's already going to be a lot of mess needing attention when downloadable content ratings come into place.
As for where the prompt for this action came from, and I speak entirely on the basis of rumours here, I hear it's a government department, but not the department of Internal Affairs, oddly.
Luke, the bottom line is the "their money's as good as anyone else's" line is specious reasoning.
Apply it to other elements of entertainment - their money's as good as anyone else's, so why should they be kept from going behind the curtain at video stores that have "adult" videos?
Their money's as good as anyone else's, so why shouldn't the casino allow them unfettered access instead of restricting them to the periphery?
Then there's the other half of it; their money may be "as good as anyone else's," but on the off-chance that they get into trouble with it, their guardians won't blame themselves. They'll blame Microsoft for not "doing something about it." An American corporation, even if it's multi-national, is going to be decidedly more risk-averse than corporations formed within another culture, and they're going to act accordingly.
@jallen: Your arguing the wrong point. The "their money is as good as anyone else's" is referring to getting locked out of the entire store, not the inability to purchase mature content. Your analogy is flawed.
A better comparison in this case is a kid being banned from going behind the adult video curtain, but also being kicked out of the entire video shop.
@Anshrew: I had one of those "parental allowed" prepaid credit cards when I was still in my early teens. Those sorts of cards work to buy Microsoft Points and whatnot (as long as you're in the States *eye twitch*).
This is New Zealand trying to be the responsible adult that parents don't want to be. I'm firmly against youngsters getting M-rated games and believe parents should pay more attention to what their kids are playing and asking for. I kinda doubt there are many children resposible enough to play something like GTAIV clean, doing their best to not run over Granny or resisting the urge to climb a tall building, snipe off everyone wearing green clothing, then put in the "clear wanted level" cheat when things get hot. An exception I take is that case where the parents allowed their child to play COD5, but only if he followed the Geneva Conventions. This is an example of good, responsible parenting, something I find unfortunately lacking these days.
@BlueToast: Yeah, it's true. You could tell they had less time to hone their songs than in the first season. It was to be expected, after all, since Season 1 featured stuff they'd been playing for years.
But Season 2 still had some great moments, like the "hair gel" episode. "Fashion! F-F-F-F-Fashion!" :D
Phew, I'm glad I'm not a kid anymore. I can't wait to tell my grandkids tales of a fabled time when children were free to get their minds corrupted by 18+ movies and games because nobody cared what they did anyway.
@Antiterra: You mean a time before major corporations and the government stepped in to restrict everything for people instead of parents doing the task themselves like they're supposed to? Yeah, I'm gonna miss those days too. :(
Well, I'm 22 now, so I won't. But I guess it sucks for the kiddos!
This MIGHT be a good thing if they offer cool merchandise with an issue. Like when the UK got a free Smashing Live CD. Man, that would have been awesome.
Man, fuck Future Publishing. Nintendo Official Magazine UK used to be fucking hilarious. I read every word. When they took over they replaced everything with dullness. Nothing's ever gonna beat the comment in Dean Scott's review for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone on the Gamecube:
"Philosopher's Stone takes threads from the novel, the film, and the PS1 classic, and weaves them all together into a jumper with one sleeve longer than the other and a picture of a turd on the front."
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Microsoft's willingness to prevent kids from downloading mature content could, if done properly, send the appropriate message to the knee-jerk anti-game lobby who doesn't understand that adults game too and some of the content out there is geared towards us, not their "precious snowflakes." (Whether or not the most unreasonable of those reactionaries would actually take notice or listen is another story entirely.)
I have no problem with age based restrictions, and as kids grow older, they too will come to appreciate the reasoning behind it and realise the world didn't come to a crashing halt because they couldn't download some mature title on the marketplace.
Really though, it's sad that parents have so little control and/or can't take time out of their busy schedule to monitor their child's gaming habits all the time, not simply when they happen to notice their little darling is already playing Gears of War 2.
....
Let your little darling shoot strangers in the face online, unsupervised, all the while hurling obscenities at people twice his age through his headset that you paid for, and jam mountain dew and hot pockets down his gullet.
I hate the world.
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I absolutely concur. New Zealand: Like Lord of the Rings!
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I'd rather censor myself and protect myself from a government style reaming then 'fight the power' and end up sitting in jail over something like this, which IMHO isn't worth lawsuits, million dollar fines and jail time. Plus the unspeakably bad PR.
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Microsoft's intention, no doubt, is simply to avoid falling foul of the law here, by halting the sale of what could end up being restricted materials to people that will not be legally allowed to possess it.
What it unfortunately amounts to, however, is a corporation taking it upon themselves to censor media, which is unacceptable.
A government censoring any sort of media is questionable enough, but acceptable given that we live in a democracy, and we could kick up a stink if we really felt that strongly about it.
You could argue that people also vote with their dollars, when it comes to the actions of corporations, but this always ends up as a lot of talk on the part of a vocal minority (i.e. a few Kotaku readers), while Joe Consumer who doesn't give a damn carries on buying whatever he likes.
However, I find myself thinking that, were I in Microsoft's shoes, I would be doing exactly as they are, and for this reason: If a 14 year old currently owns content that will soon, retroactively, become illegal for him to own, where to from there? I would want to avoid as much of that mess as possible, even knowing that there's already going to be a lot of mess needing attention when downloadable content ratings come into place.
As for where the prompt for this action came from, and I speak entirely on the basis of rumours here, I hear it's a government department, but not the department of Internal Affairs, oddly.
07/27/09
Apply it to other elements of entertainment - their money's as good as anyone else's, so why should they be kept from going behind the curtain at video stores that have "adult" videos?
Their money's as good as anyone else's, so why shouldn't the casino allow them unfettered access instead of restricting them to the periphery?
Then there's the other half of it; their money may be "as good as anyone else's," but on the off-chance that they get into trouble with it, their guardians won't blame themselves. They'll blame Microsoft for not "doing something about it." An American corporation, even if it's multi-national, is going to be decidedly more risk-averse than corporations formed within another culture, and they're going to act accordingly.
Whose money is how good be damned.
07/27/09
A better comparison in this case is a kid being banned from going behind the adult video curtain, but also being kicked out of the entire video shop.
07/27/09
The proprietor was right to throw the kid out!
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If your 17, you DO have something to worry about.
The unfortunate way Xbox live works is thus
If you have a credit card, you can validate yourself as at the age to play M rated games and the like.
If you don't have a credit card, tough luck, no game demos or trailers rated M or "RP", which really sucks.
The problem? You need to be 18 to have a credit card.
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*gets off soapbox*
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They call me the Hiphopopotamus!
My lyrics are bottomless..................
07/27/09
Where did you get that preposterous hypothesis?
Did Steve tell you that, perchance?
Steve...
(Edit - Huh, I promoted my own comment? WTF?!)
07/27/09
Indeed, it was the Rhymenoceros.
Did you know that he was raised by a rapper and rhino that dated and subsequently procreated?
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...What kind of rapping name is Steve...?
Steve.
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But Season 2 still had some great moments, like the "hair gel" episode. "Fashion! F-F-F-F-Fashion!" :D
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Well, I'm 22 now, so I won't. But I guess it sucks for the kiddos!
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"Philosopher's Stone takes threads from the novel, the film, and the PS1 classic, and weaves them all together into a jumper with one sleeve longer than the other and a picture of a turd on the front."
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