@Komrade Kayce: Why do I care? If the PS3 port didn't make it over here, the Wii port, if it happens (Note, this isn't confirmed at all), probably won't either.
Namco never releases cross-platform Tales ports. Because, you know, that would be a smart idea. And Namco isn't known for making those these days. #talesofvesperia
@Archaotic: The PS3 version was only released in Japan this past September. I'm not aware of Namco stating any lack of intent to release it in the west.
And the reason we'd think you care is because your reputation as one filled with cosmic hatred precedes you by quite a margin. #talesofvesperia
I'm just saying that Namco's track record of releasing late ports and remakes of Tales games is, as of now, zero for like, 12. There's no reason they'd start now, even if they really SHOULD. #talesofvesperia
OK screw it, I'm just getting Vesperia on the 360 for cheap used.
I've been waiting a little too patiently for the PS3 localization, but apparently Namco is so mentally defective that they'd port the game to the Wii first. You get none of my money, Namco. You've been all very bad children. :( #talesofvesperia
@RockyRan: It's not exactly "cheap"....but the PS3 version is far from a foregone conclusion, so I would just get the 360 version rather than wait on the possibility of a PS3 port. Every day, the likelihood of a western release drops. #talesofvesperia
but anyways.. this just reminded me of that game fragile. has anyone checked out or heard about how the japanese version was? is it still coming out here?
@shouryuuken: XSEED Games has confirmed an early 2010 release of the game under the name "Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon." #talesofvesperia
Anyone old enough to remember the Super Nintendo -vs- Sega Genesis console wars? That's the last console war that was this heated, and almost no games were "truly multi-platform" like this article wants. Everything played extremely differently.
I don't see how this is "simply unfair." The PS3 and 360, although similar in power, are two very different machines. #tekken6
@Paul_Is_Drunk: All I remember from the SNES vs Genesis days was I didn't get blood in my MK. That and some guy getting angry when my cousin said TMNT: Turtles in Time was better than the Hyperstone Heist. #tekken6
@Paul_Is_Drunk: You're absolutely right. I thought everyone realized that the world is not fair at age 12 or so. This has nothing to do with fairness. It has to do with a consumer buying a product. Did they or did they not get their moneys worth? And the answer has nothing at all to do with what someone else paid or what someone else got in return. #tekken6
@ph15h: No blood in MK and no sword in Aladdin. Back when Nintendo was still about censorship. Made up for it with an amazing game library, though. #tekken6
It's completely impossible to have multi-platform games be exactly the same on each platform. As for load times being different, the only way to make them exactly the same would be to slow the faster system down to the slower system's speed. That doesn't make much sense. Perhaps they could've done more optimizing on the PS3 side, but since it was a PS3 title first and should be better on PS3 as such, I think they decided to go with heavier graphics over quicker load times. #tekken6
I think a difference of a few seconds for the installed version is not really relevant. It would be very easy to take several PS3's or 360's and find a few that load faster or slower than the majority. Different hardware and system age could affect these numbers too. One of my 360's has issues loading off of discs and takes slightly longer. However, my PS3 has an upgraded 7200 rpm hdd with a larger cache. I've found that just upgrading my hdd has improved my load times on the PS3 for installed games.
The disc based load time is very easy to explain. The PS3's blu-ray drive is only a 1x speed. It has a higher capacity for storage than the 360's dvd drive, but reads data significantly slower. This is the reason why many PS3 games now have mandatory installs. #tekken6
@ThursdayNext: No, no I must of been mistaken. I too forget to dot "i"s from time to time. Making for some very interesting and horrendously misunderstood journal writes.
for example: "blltherlng ldollzlng ldlots!" Turns it from an insult into some sort of foreign doll line.
@Blore07: I am very tempted to post a reply that is simply me doing a Mandark Laugh, or a generic Evil laugh. However instead I shall point out you put the last character in my name upside down, and forgot to hold down shift.
And you have to get up early in the morning to get one over me...
Mostly because when I try to get up even earlier to beat you, I tend to be really really tired and incoherent...
@Blore07: I'm pretty sure that the seek speed of Blu-Ray is significantly slower, to compensate they repeat data so that the laser is never too far from the data it needs.
As you say though, given that I have a 320gb hard drive, installing is no problem (in fact, anythng that gives the blu-ray drive a rest is a bonus).
While PS3 v 360 is all very interesting, I would like to know how the load times compare installed v disc. Anyone speak the Japanese (sorry if it isn't Japanese, I don't really know how to differentiate between oriental characters)? #tekken6
@ThursdayNext: "Oriental" Characters. Ouch. People don't use that term so much any more. Mostly because its not accurate, and because some might think it offensive being that its a very general ethnic and cultural 'grouping' that spans from the middle east, all the way to China, Korea and into Japan. You can say "Asian,"(which is still pretty general) or if you want to be specific, "East Asian." Or better yet, learn the difference between the character sets. Its a little tricky at first, but it will only take a minute or two learn the distinction. ;)
@ibelli: No offense intended. I can say what I like, though I'll take your suggestions on board.
It would take more than two minutes for me to differentiate between East Asian characters, let alone to read each language.
Thanks again to DAS for answering my question, it's one of the things I love about Kotaku, the community here is usually incredibly knowledgeable and keen to share what they know and thank you ibelli for needlessly pointing out that I don't know everything about East Asian culture. #tekken6
@Blore07: The read speed of the laser/driver is what is different. The PS3 blu-ray is only at 2x whereas from a quick googling it looks like the 360 DVD drive is at 12x. So imagine if the blu-ray drive was a 4x... it would probably be able to access more data than the 12x DVD in the same amount of time. Hey look, the site I used even has a handy chart!
Digressing back to what's being discussed here, it's actually not the blu-ray technologies fault or anything like that, it's simply the fact that to be cost-effective at all they had to use a slow drive to begin with. After all, when PS3s first came out... there wasn't much else besides 2x drive. #tekken6
DustbinK pretty much nailed it on the head. Personally, I think that it's possible to replace the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 for a more modern/faster drive. I don't see a reason why not unless the drives themselves are somehow locked to the motherboard, which is highly unlikely since people have had their Blu-Ray drive crap out and replaced by Sony. #tekken6
@ThursdayNext: Yes, the freedom to say what one wants is a dangerous, but important one. My comment was intended point out a fact that I would hope you would accept as helpful, not to belittle or alienate you. I would hope that you would do the same for me in a similar situation. I'm not suggesting that you learn two, or three or four languages, but you really can SEE the differences, by looking at them. Sorry you were offended. #tekken6
@ibelli: It seems I misinterpreted your tone as patronising when you intended to be enlightening. Still cant tell the characters apart though. :P #tekken6
@ThursdayNext: The internet is infamously terrible that way. I'm 100% sure at least 1 war and three major military conflicts have started this way; because some guy didn't add a "smiley" emoticon to the end of his sentence in a chat session. Someone should invent an App that factors for tone and sarcasm with text-based communication.
You know, you can do other things with Zippos other than smoking. Like, you can nonchalantly open and close them while you say "I'll be right out" just before you bust the door open and beat up some cops.
Alternatively, if you have an aerosol can around, you can use it along with the zippo to shoot fire at the cops after you bust open the door. Although be ready to yell "Give me back my face!" real loud soon afterwards.
Awesome! I could use a decent lighter and if it's gaming related, all the better...sadly, I ain't paying 100 quid for a lighter. I think I'll stick to my cheapass storebought ones. #pacman
@-MasterDex-: It wont come to £100, its more like £60, still a lot I know, but theres something about being able to light up while in winds that send other smokers into shop doorways to get some flame going on. #pacman
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That being said, I won't get my hopes up. #talesofvesperia
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Namco never releases cross-platform Tales ports. Because, you know, that would be a smart idea. And Namco isn't known for making those these days. #talesofvesperia
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And the reason we'd think you care is because your reputation as one filled with cosmic hatred precedes you by quite a margin. #talesofvesperia
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I'm just saying that Namco's track record of releasing late ports and remakes of Tales games is, as of now, zero for like, 12. There's no reason they'd start now, even if they really SHOULD. #talesofvesperia
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I've been waiting a little too patiently for the PS3 localization, but apparently Namco is so mentally defective that they'd port the game to the Wii first. You get none of my money, Namco. You've been all very bad children. :( #talesofvesperia
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but anyways.. this just reminded me of that game fragile. has anyone checked out or heard about how the japanese version was? is it still coming out here?
wheres archaotic? lol #talesofvesperia
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Describes the moment for me perfectly.
In other news, CoD4 is being ported to the Wii. #talesofvesperia
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Before anyone gets up in arms, not the mean spirited Nelson 'ha ha' laughter, moreso the 'wtflolololol' laughter. #talesofvesperia
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I don't see how this is "simply unfair." The PS3 and 360, although similar in power, are two very different machines. #tekken6
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The disc based load time is very easy to explain. The PS3's blu-ray drive is only a 1x speed. It has a higher capacity for storage than the 360's dvd drive, but reads data significantly slower. This is the reason why many PS3 games now have mandatory installs. #tekken6
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YOURS!
*Points down at Blore07*
And by the look of it, it is a 3 for 1 deal on seconds for the PS3 version...
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What's that you say? I've just edited it? Oh well, I had just forgotten to dot an "i", that's all...
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A lesson learned. #tekken6
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I'll get you for this "Cptn.PaxtonAstypalaea(Corsair6"!!! #tekken6
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for example: "blltherlng ldollzlng ldlots!" Turns it from an insult into some sort of foreign doll line.
Bloody gets me every time! #tekken6
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And you have to get up early in the morning to get one over me...
Mostly because when I try to get up even earlier to beat you, I tend to be really really tired and incoherent...
... What year is it again? #tekken6
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unless you got that, and were being sarcastic...
but...
wait...
we both need a few extra hours in bed each day, this getting up to outdo each other is too much. #tekken6
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If they run pretty much the same when installed, no biggie imo. #tekken6
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As you say though, given that I have a 320gb hard drive, installing is no problem (in fact, anythng that gives the blu-ray drive a rest is a bonus).
While PS3 v 360 is all very interesting, I would like to know how the load times compare installed v disc. Anyone speak the Japanese (sorry if it isn't Japanese, I don't really know how to differentiate between oriental characters)? #tekken6
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Ps3 disc vs HDD (seconds)
character change: 25.4 vs 10
Stage change: 17.6 vs 10.1
Change both: 33 vs 11.8
Xbox360 disc vs HDD (seconds)
character change: 9 vs 7.5
Stage change: 9.9 vs 8.3
Change both: 11 vs 9.1
Thank goodness for HDD :P #tekken6
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2x read on a Blu-Ray is rated at 72 Mbit/sec (6x is rated at 216 Mbit/sec) whereas 16x read on a DVD is rated at 172 Mbit/sec.
[en.wikipedia.org]
[en.wikipedia.org] #tekken6
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It would take more than two minutes for me to differentiate between East Asian characters, let alone to read each language.
Thanks again to DAS for answering my question, it's one of the things I love about Kotaku, the community here is usually incredibly knowledgeable and keen to share what they know and thank you ibelli for needlessly pointing out that I don't know everything about East Asian culture. #tekken6
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The page:
[www.gamespot.com]
Digressing back to what's being discussed here, it's actually not the blu-ray technologies fault or anything like that, it's simply the fact that to be cost-effective at all they had to use a slow drive to begin with. After all, when PS3s first came out... there wasn't much else besides 2x drive. #tekken6
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Ahh ok, consider me a little more in the know when it comes to Blu Ray.
Cheers for the info btw. #tekken6
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@Blore07: You're welcome. :D
DustbinK pretty much nailed it on the head. Personally, I think that it's possible to replace the Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 for a more modern/faster drive. I don't see a reason why not unless the drives themselves are somehow locked to the motherboard, which is highly unlikely since people have had their Blu-Ray drive crap out and replaced by Sony. #tekken6
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Personally, I main Lee Chaolan and I can barely chain into Hitman stance at all. It's rather painful.
Right now the game is dominated by power characters just trying to overwhelm you with 1 or 2 launcher moves.
I'm a 14-year Tekken veteran, but I don't plan on going back online. I got my trophies, I'm good. #tekken6
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- Johnny Turbo #tekken6
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Alternatively, if you have an aerosol can around, you can use it along with the zippo to shoot fire at the cops after you bust open the door. Although be ready to yell "Give me back my face!" real loud soon afterwards.
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