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11/09/09
11/07/09
PC is just another platform and just because advancements were made on it in the past does not mean that advancements will not continue to happen just because it is no longer the dominant platform.
It's as bad as the "hardcore" vs "casual" or the console fanboy wars. They're all just different ways to enjoy the same thing.
What annoys me the most is that the comment seems to be in response to IW capping the multiplayer limits on the PC version of MW2. That isn't killing PC gaming, that's just having one version of the game conform to other versions on different platforms.
One title not having a "superior" PC port and suddenly the sky is falling? Come on guys, be rational, if it isn't up to par, play something else, IW will see it as a failed experiment and not do it again.
Of course, there's still the option that IW got it right, but where's the fun in judging something on it's merits instead of jumping to conclusions based on things you read online?
So you guys can enjoy your petty arguments about why PC gaming is/isn't superior, but that mentality is what's really holding shit back. #multitap
11/07/09
I mean, I see a lot of bashing from the fanboys of the 360 and PS3 "camps", but the PC gamers are the ones that I hear the most smack talk from.
And I'm not saying this as a flame, nor am I saying it without recognizing that the PC is an important platform that has contributed massively to gaming. Even though I'm not big on PC gaming myself, I try to at least understand and sypathize with those who do use it as their platform of choice when they get screwed over, and I get that there are some definite advantages to playing on the PC.
What tires me out is how anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with them or who prefers to play on a console is suddenly some sort of dumbed down gamer, incapable of fully appreciating the inticracies and beauty of PC gaming because we're busy shooting "teh alienz" apparently.
I'd be real nice if people could just get off their high horses and realize that, as you said, it's all about preference and personal senses of value, and maybe discuss the issues without belittling each other. You don't have to make the other guy look stupid to make a point.
And this isn't a focus on Kotaku's commenters, but just in general, and to fanboys of ALL the platforms. You don't need to look down on someone to support the things you care about. #multitap
11/08/09
The biggest problem is the lack of dedicated servers. Matchmaking, which is what is used on consoles, is a thing of the past for PC gamers, we moved on. IW/BA are taking multiplaying a step back, just so they can make more money. Of course, they are well within their rights to do it, but shouldn't we as consumers speak up when we are being fucked over?
"One title not having a "superior" PC port and suddenly the sky is falling? Come on guys, be rational, if it isn't up to par, play something else, IW will see it as a failed experiment and not do it again."
We are the vocal minority, unfortunately, this game will probably be very successful, even on PC. Companies like id, and probably many others will be looking at MW2 too see how successful it is and if they can get away with it too. Simply not buying the game is not enough, others need to do it too, or the future of multiplayer on PC is the past.
I don't want to go to the hospital and have the doctor try to cure me with leeches.
"Of course, there's still the option that IW got it right, but where's the fun in judging something on it's merits instead of jumping to conclusions based on things you read online?"
No, that is no option. Matchmaking has always been, and always will be inferior to dedicated servers. Anyone that disagree obviously do not know enough about dedicated servers to comment. #multitap
11/08/09
See, I read all of that and all I see is you saying "matchmaking bad, dedicated servers good".
Is it possible, and humour me for a second that those who are dismissing your claims are not doing so because they don't know enough about dedicated servers but you don't know enough about matchmaking?
Until you try the service, you have no idea how much of an improvement or failure it is.
The point of it is to try and make the PC community more open, dedicated servers help create insular little groups that are tough for new players to penetrate.
You still have private games, which you should still be able to play under your own rules. Which means console commands and some form of modding will probably still be available to you.
So, in short, don't judge until you actually try, because not all change is bad and not everything that your community has rejected is a bad idea. It's that simple. #multitap
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That's the problem, you're focused on how it used to be, when what IW is doing may be a massive improvement, but because you're so used to dedicated servers and how they are better than what you knew about matchmaking that you're ignoring the very real possibility that the matchmaking system (that none of us have used yet) could actually be good.
Because I've tried matchmaking, and I've tried dedicated servers, and I've had bad experiences with both, so I'm willing to accept that a matchmaking service could work.
Wait until you try it before saying that it's just IW trying to fuck you over. Opening up the game to more people is a good thing, they might be doing it for the sake of making more money, but you have to realise that they try to make more money by improving the average customer experience.
11/08/09
By removing support for dedicated servers and enforcing matchmaking they are also excluding the mod community. They are doing this so they can force dlc down our throats like they do on consoles.
The difference between matchmaking and dedicated servers when it comes to accessibility is insignificant. Do you seriously believe there are anyone out there on the fence about this game, deciding to buy it because it's more accessible because of matchmaking? #multitap
11/08/09
I'm sure the mod community can find ways around it. They generally do.
As for matchmaking not making the game more accessible, you probably don't experience it much, but there are plenty of people put off by multiplayer where they aren't able to find players of their own skill level.
That's a big thing for a lot of players, they never get into it because it's too difficult (ie: inaccessible) so they miss out on the multiplayer. It might not stop some from purchasing the game, but they won't rave to their friends how awesome the game is.
Word of mouth is a powerful marketing tool and the easiest way to utilise it is to have a product that people will want to talk about. When the biggest strength of the COD series is it's multiplayer, you would want that to be as easy to get involved in as possible. #multitap
11/08/09
See the problem is, matchmaking is a useless thing community wise.
A half decent analogy would be;
At school you go in to a class, now you could all not know each other at first, or you could be the new kid, but as you progress through the year, all going to lessons as the same group in your class you make friends n get a bond.
With matchmaking it'd be like all the students turning upto school in the morning, going to the assembly hall n group up with the 10 kids closest to them and going to lessons with them kids for that day. then the next day group up with another bunch. And you don't really make many friends that way.
How many folks are added to XBL or PSN friend lists from a single match online? And how many of these folks regularly play together? It's just not a great way to build community.
PC gamers aren't saying that matchmaking is downright crap. It's jsut not as good as Dedicated servers.
And we aren't outright saying no to matchmaking, if it helps bring in casuals the more the merrier. Just have a dual system of Dedicated n Matchmaking, bring in choice. And tis not like its any effort to do, MW1 had it, so they've had to remove n replace the MP part with IWnet, when they could of just bolted IWnet on top of MW1's system. #multitap
11/07/09
11/08/09
If you don't think you'll have to upgrade one or more of those systems in the near future, then you should read about development cycles. #multitap
11/08/09
and it's not like i have to continuously upgrade the consoles piece by piece. i'll just by the new iteration for $250 when the next generation is starting to come down in price.
i have about $750 tied up in the three current consoles. that could buy me one midrange computer. i'm not sold on it.
now you can get a 360 for $100 from walmart. isn't that less than a single high end graphics card? #multitap
11/09/09
You seem shocked you can't play anything recent on your old comp from 2002. Can you play any modern titles on the old consoles you own from seven years ago? No. Hell, you can't even play PS2 games on your Slim.
You sure could emulate those PS2 games on your comp now though, as well as play all of the roms you have for every console you owned back in 2002 on your PC, but you wouldn't want to spend $750 that you have tied up in the parts you have (not to mention any money you spent on consoles previously) on some useless Piece of Crap. #multitap
11/09/09
I wouldn't exactly call older consoles useless pieces of crap. I collect and value old consoles highly, and still play them regularly, as well as occasional old PC games when I can get them to run properly on XP. I wouldn't mind finding an old C64 or Apple IIGS if the price was right.
Funny that you mention emulation as that really is the bulk of the gaming that I do with my PC, but that is no substitute for the actual consoles.
I'm really more of a retro gamer, and the short list of new realease games that I am interested in are available on the consoles, and for less expensive than putting together a PC. I only buy 1 or 2 new release games a year, and all the rest are older, used titles for under $20. It ends up being cheaper than upgrading to new PC hardware just to play 1 or 2 new PC games a year. Plus I'm amassing an affordable backlog of older games that interest me. #multitap
11/09/09
My Entertainment centre is already a snafu of cables, cords and other crap that I can't set up all my old consoles in any meaningful way there that would allow me to play them in comfort, so I emulate them on PC. There's a C64 emulator, btw. I played Impossible Mission and Dragonriders of Pern (sadly, they don't really stand the test of time.)
Hmm... I forget what we were talking about. Oh... new consoles. #multitap
11/07/09
Reminds me of something going on where I live. A local theatre closed down. In an interview, the owner was all bitter that no one was supported their stage productions.
Meanwhile, three other theatres in that city are doing just fine. This particular one was just poorly run.
It's almost never the audience's fault, you gotta give people a good reason to come to the show. #multitap
11/07/09
But it won't ever become popular again (like consoles are now), because a console's sole purpose is to deliver an reliable gaming experience, all the time, without need to upgrade the machine's guts. And most people don't need the prettier graphics (when console's can produce awesome and creative images themselves), or dedicated servers (where matchmaking, parties, private matches are enough), or want to pay money to upgrade their rig (when they can pay a one time price for a machine guaranteed to play every game that comes out for it).
I mean, I'd like to play some games on the PC (a good one), but that doesn't mean everyone would. I can still appreciate Leanid's comment, though: PC gaming has influenced a lot of gaming today. But when people say "if it wasn't for PC games, you wouldn't have consoles" only make me want to say, "without arcades and early home consoles, there wouldn't be PC gaming". It only shows how everything draws inspiration from everything else, until you reach so far back you're not even arguing about gaming (or even technology anymore).
Console gamers can be assholes, and PC gamers can be elitists. Can't we all just get along? #multitap
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Ah, right, look where I'm trying to say this. #multitap
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11/07/09
Age is also relative though. The average life expectancy of someone in the Neolithic/Bronze Age (roughly when Stonehenge was built) was early to mid 30s. So if the builders of Stonehenge were in their twenties, relatively they would have been well past middle age.
Life expectancy today is in the 60-70 range. As medical technology improves the cultural contributions of older individuals can still have relevance. Just something to keep in mind. #multitap
11/08/09
I don't believe the relativity of age has much to do with why old folks aren't the heroes of more games. Their physical limitations prevent them from jumping from cliff to cliff, diving out of cars, and swinging around battle axes. This is, however, also why they are often portrayed as wizards, who require wisdom over vim. #multitap
11/08/09
11/07/09
I've never been a PC gamer, because the genres that get the most attention on the platform have never been my cup of tea. I do know exactly where Leanid is coming from though, because I grew up an arcade kid.
The arcade was as influential as the PC in shaping gaming at one time. Platforming, Fighting, Action, and even competitive multi-player in some ways nod to arcade games.
Another thing arcades had that consoles didn't were the best graphics. I remember a time when you would come home from an arcade in awe of the beauty you had seen, and coming back to reality after having to play inferior ports on your home consoles.
I think its a bit ironic that two of the strongest supporters and innovators of arcade and PC gaming created the consoles that would contribute to the deterioration of the platforms (Sega and Microsoft).
I realize that video games are a business, but it's sad to see my favorite platform (arcade), and the favorite platform of so many others (PC) decline in relevance. Especially when these two were at the forefront of the industry.
11/07/09
He's still not providing a good argument. Yes, PC DEVELOPERS are responsible for those innovations. So why do PC GAMERS feels that they have rights and DESERVE to have whatever it is their asking. The same developers are still developing for consoles. I'm sure people who can innovate on PC can also innovate on consoles.
I suppose my point is this; PC gamers, lets console gamers be and console gamers let PC gamers be...you don't affect each other all that much to begin with. #multitap
11/07/09
All PC gamers have wanted the past few weeks is to be left to be PC gamers.
However various developers, ex-PC developers no less, are wanting to force upon them a console style of gameplay.
And yes, there's no technical limitations stopping developers innovating on PC, however they seem to have forgotten this and find it increasingly easier to just port across a console game and take no advantage of PC's strengths beyond the infamous "custom stuff like mouse control, text chat in game, and graphics settings" #multitap
11/07/09
I don't actually have the stats but just based on local Best Buy's and Eb Games I would assume so.
Hence they're making games for platforms that sell well, and porting them because they can.
And not developers are doing that either. Take a look at DAO which has a completely different, and overall better, UI on PC than consoles. They are out there...they're just getting fewer and fewer.
I still don't see what PC gamers are complaining about. #multitap
11/07/09
It really does show a lazy developer up though if they just port a console game across to PC though, especially when you have stellar examples like DA:O that use the abilities of PC to make a great experience.
11/07/09
So, a game being released on three platforms simultaneously, and the developer is being lazy for not making one version "better" than the others by implementing a system that is standard on the other platforms?
If you're going to nominate a comment a post that goes on about the innovations made by PC gaming, then when one of the innovations of console gaming is being put across to the PC you probably shouldn't complain about it. #multitap
11/07/09
Its not now needing 360 control pads by default is it? #multitap
11/07/09
The matchmaking system.
Not relying on dedicated servers is largely a system born out of necessity for console games, it's not unique to consoles and does exist on PC, but the advances made in it are console driven. #multitap
11/07/09
Then it got replaced with dedicated servers. MS then pulled it back form the history books as it made a decent and simple system for them to use with Live.
It's not really an innovation to replace modern MP techniques with one made obsolete over a decade ago. #multitap
11/07/09
The advances made on it are console driven. It's pretty simple, console gaming took something from PC gaming that has been pretty much abandoned and made it work.
There are plenty of modern innovations that are based on making old techniques work in a modern environment. #multitap
11/07/09
Consoles have built upon some things founded on PC. But matchmaking is not one of them. #multitap
11/08/09
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11/07/09
ipods didn't magically become popular overnight.
I watched the first airing of the first episode of south park on comedy central ( and the pre-episode santa vs jesus short ), and people had no idea what I was trying to tell them about. Same goes for the daily show, was watching that shit when it was still Craig Kilborn and the moment of zen was actually funny/awesome.
Console gaming's biggest advancements would not exist without PC Gaming. PC gaming/gamers wish to continue with being the open source for innovation. It is far more difficult for Tom, the 16 year old budding computer programmer / graphics artist to develop a homebrewn game on the Xbox360 platforum over using tools such as the Unreal Engine.
You take away the avenue for creativity to flourish and you find yourself with an industry that is devoid of advancement. Look at the music industry in the early 90's. Post-Cassette , Pre-Napster Pre-CD Burning. Absolute shit in the industry, total control by the big companies. We lived (mostly blindly) with the state of the industry, and only when new options opened up (a multitude of legitimate avenues of distributing music ) have we seen the small time band able to actually be heard. Bands can live as "one-band" labels and make a name for themselves entirely digitally if they so choose.
PC Gaming simply has always been on the forefront of innovation when it comes to accessibility ( since that innovation is so tightly knit to the advancement of modern technology itself ). When big companies start willfully taking away those options, we come to a crossroads... Do we the public make an outcry over the situation, or do we quietly sit back and let it happen, and let the industry as a whole slowly sink into a "dark age"? #multitap
11/07/09
No sensible gamer denies this, but is it necessary to be so smug about something that you took no part in. I would understand if this was a game developer making this comment but more than likely it's just a fanboy who has worked himself up because another fanboy said something stupid...and it gets comment of the week?
11/07/09
And don't forget, the way PC gaming works, any PC gamer can be their own developer.
And what comments did you vote in? #multitap
11/07/09
I guess if PC gaming trends continue to bleed over into consoles, console games will end up with a 95% piracy rate soon enough. #multitap
11/07/09
Not to mention MW2 has already been pirated on consoles, as shown in the article where the 360 modder was arrested for illegally selling MW2 copies (and has been played already by a few Kotakuites...), yet the PC version still has yet to appear from what I've heard. #multitap
11/07/09
There was one guy LOOKING to copy it and sell it but as far as I know never did. #multitap
11/07/09
MW2 PC has yet to hit the torrents. #multitap
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I like Thut comment the best :) I would love to see an adventure game featuring an older hero (in late 40s), or a FPS with a senior trying to get revenge (Since i saw Gran Torino, i dream of a game like that). Max Payne was on this path (i always imagined him to be 40-ish) and that made the story much more powerful than if he were a 20years old with no experience in life. #multitap
11/08/09
Honestly, that was my favorite aspect of the game. It wasn't just because of novelty either; it was executed very well. #multitap
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Notice you are the only person here who's called him out. Everyone else is saying its a great post.
You did make this comment earlier [kotaku.com] , so I'm not expecting great things. #multitap
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The PC is an easier platform for small developers to work on, because they don't have to pay anybody anything, they can write their code, release it however they like, and just go for it. No approval process, licensing, etc. This allows riskier, more experimental games to be tried, the benefits of which should be obvious. Good ideas from these experimental games can then benefit all games.
Console hardware definitely benefits from PC gaming. Who makes the GPUs in consoles? Why, it's Nvidia and ATI! Now where have I heard those names before? PC gamers and their insatiable lust for faster chips and better graphics, not to mention the scads of money they spend to obtain them, are a large part of the reason the tech has improved so rapidly. Again, this benefits everyone. How fast do you think GPUs would be if ATI and Nvidia only had to design a new one every 5 years or so?
A healthy PC gaming market is good for all gamers. This isn't elitism, it's just a fact. Consoles cost more to develop for, so they are consequently more risk-averse. That doesn't mean console games are worthless, or that they suck, or anything like that. It just means that there is a greater barrier to innovation.
I love my gaming PC, I love my 360, I love my PS3, I love my Wii, I love my DS, I love my PSP, I love all my older consoles as well. I'm a console gamer and a PC gamer, and I'm telling you that if you can't see the truth in what Leanid said, then you are blinded by fanboyism.
11/07/09
"one would think that console gamers would recognize that they're doing exactly what they claim casuals would do, which is killing "gaming"."
on top of that, the ENTIRE POST just has that tone that PC gamers are true gamers, and console gamers are just tagging along and don't really know anything. His facts are exactly that, but he could have said that without separating the two groups himself.
Notice I said " You are no better or worse than console gamers." implying that we are all on equal ground. I don't know why you all have to act as if I hate his comment for it's content, I hate how he presented his point by putting PC gamers on a pedestal.
11/07/09
Especially then quoting your changed comment. I guess it sucks it says you edited it right under your post eh?
But you have to admit, PC gamers are the hardest of the hardcore. No other platform do you build your gaming machine yourself or put so much effort into it.
His comment doesn't stand as a post on it's own, it is in reaction to the console gamers calling on the death of the PC platform, and as such the post is reactionary and defensive, and should be read in that light.
"don't really know anything" it doesn't help that in the MW2 debacle many console exclusive gamers have shown themselves to be completly ignorant of PC gaming culture, yourself included. And in this ignorance have lashed out at PC gaming, and tbh his comment is fairly damn civil for some of the spite n misinformation spread by a portion of console gamers. PC gamers have been backed in a corner by both developers and other gamers, and like anything backed in a corner they are fighting back. #multitap
11/07/09
Console gaming would not be where it is today without PC gaming. From the early days of MUD's on BBS's, to the inception of the deathmatch in the original Doom, a majority of the multiplayer elements that make gaming in general so much fun today were pioneered on the PC.
Anyone remember the MSN gaming zone? I'm talking in the early days, when X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter was all the rage - I'm sure Microsoft took lessons learned from that service and implemented them in Xbox Live.
All points aside - console gaming wouldn't be what it is without PC gamers. PC gaming has also been influenced by the existence of consoles - unfortunately that influence is growing increasingly negative. The cultures should never be forced to conform to one another, as Activision/IW are forcing us to do with MW2.
I consider myself a hardcore PC gamer. I build my own rigs, (actually working on rebuilding with a Core i7 base now, w00t) and take pride and joy in how well my machine performs. I also enjoy my consoles. I have a PS3, a Wii, as well as a 360 and PSP. I do enjoy my consoles pick-up and play nature, but there are some things that can never replace my experiences on the PC, and they should never be replaced.
Shawnrw222 - I've seen your trolling before in other comment threads, you enjoy inciting arguments and playing devil's advocate, I'm seeing the same pattern here. Please, if you're going to troll, at least make a few valid points. #multitap
11/07/09
Before you start insulting them read his god dam comment first.
The comment by Leanid, like so many i've seen on here over the last 2 weeks, have been saying that PC gamers are/should aways be better than the console brothers.
However the main comment was extremely biast, as it failed to add some of the major points of consoles and made it seem like PC gaming did changed the world by itself. Like would Gaming be socaliy accepatble nowadays without gaming. Would gaming still be a muti-billion pound industry without the consoles. I doubt it.
I never had a problem with and other system players before, however people really do need to get there heads out of there ass's and go out into the real world before this becomes to much of a problem. #multitap
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Plus, the elitist attitude only shows out in the last sentence, and what he writes is still partly true. What other platform manually pieces their system together bit by bit, having to learn about each part and how they interact? How many 360 gamers could tell me what makes their box run vs. PC gamers who built their own systems? If these last few weeks with IW's huge debacle have shown me anything, it's that a ton of console only gamers don't know what they're talking about. This isn't a biased opinion. The ignorance on the advantages of dedicated servers vs. p2p or listen servers is understandable since console games typically don't support dedicated servers, but to go out and bash people on something you don't even understand is incredible. From licensing fees to game development and coding to UI design to even what the difference between 25ms of ping to 100ms is, I've seen some terribly, terribly ignorant posts put up condemning PC gamers for being idiots.
360 and PS3 owners constantly bash the Wii and say it is destroying the gaming market by flooding it with casual games. In turn, Leanid is saying that the console could be considered doing the same thing in relation to PC because they're encouraging developers to take steps backwards in development. Just take the dedicated server issue. You cannot argue that dedicated servers provide superior performance to listen servers. It's a damn fact. But yes, some people do enjoy matchmaking on consoles. The proper thing to do would be to combine matchmaking and dedicated servers with a browser- perfectly possible and done in the past. The wrong thing to do - and what has been done by IW - is to take away dedicated servers and leave us only with listen servers and matchmaking. Removing the option that provides superior performance can only be seen as backwards. #multitap
11/07/09
Yes, PC gaming has largely contributed to and shaped console gaming, and it is horrible the way that PC gaming is treated now. Yes, generes have been ported from PC to console.
Yes, new ideas and techniques have been created on PCs (which is also true on consoles).
and as you mentioned, yes, you can custom build your own machine (which is awesome and something and I am working on too).
But to say that only PC gamers are hardcore is where I disagree with Leanid.
I used to be a PC, console, and handheld gamer for as long as I can remember. However, I started to slowly use only my consoles. I was using my handhelds less, and then my computer (for games) less. This was mainly because I didn't have as much time for gaming as I used to, and because I didn't have my parents buying me gaming stuff all the time. Don't get me wrong, I still use all of them to this very day, it's just that I use my consoles more often.
Right now, I'm in college/university. So as you probably know, us students don't exactly have much time OR money. Most of the people I know only stick to PC gaming not only because it is the easiest to pirate, but also because they don't have money to buy consoles and games etc. In this age, a computer of some sort is absolutely neccessary for studends, so since they already have a computer, that's what they'll stick to. Even though they are "PC gamers" I hardly consider them anything near "hardcore gamers". They play games but lack any knowledge outside of playing the game, such as developers, companies, important game company figures, and other history or facts that some would classify people as "hardcore".
Mr Pappzy lurves Orange Soda also brought up a couple good points. Gaming as a whole would not be what it is today without console games. I also find that console gaming is a lot more convient for local multiplayer, since people don't have to bring their computers or go to an Internet Cafe or whatever. Just because PC gaming came first or contributed the most, it does not have to mean that it is the most "hardcore". I'm sure console gaming has contributed to PC gaming in several ways too, and I'm sure that there are MANY "hardcore gamers" that game more on consoles than their PCs. Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what Leanid brought up. PC gaming deserves a lot more respect that it generally has in modern society. But it really is insulting to say that just because it started the gaming trend, that it's automatically better than everything that comes after it. Yes, PC gaming has evoled too, and I agree that it still has an edge over console gaming, but there are expereiences that both platforms provide that cannot be found on the other. #multitap
11/07/09
You're just showing your ignorance. PC gaming is almost a lifestyle. It's like owning a classic car (an argument I've made on Kotaku before and will continue to make) -- You have to tweak, maintain, and invest a lot of time and money to get the best results. And you know what your reward is? The best graphics, the best controls, and the best experience. You get cutting edge technology. Yes, you pay extra for it. But nobody ever said the bleeding edge should be for the masses. That's the reason consoles exist: Most don't want to invest the time and money necessary to really game on a good rig.
So you'll have to forgive me if I feel like a more hardcore gamer than someone who just owns a console (and, by the way, I also own all three current gen consoles). It's because we are more hardcore. #multitap
11/07/09
"Before you start insulting them read his god dam comment first."
likewise, then you'd know I was the one who nominated his comment.
PC games should be better than console games. PC platform is the most powerful n flexible of the 4, why should it be held back on consoles behalf as IW are doing.
And nowhere did he claim that consoles never made a change to gaming at all. It was a friendly reminder to point out that PC gaming has led to the games industry as it is now. Consoles have made it more accessible. Though consoles alone ain't bringing in the mega buck, since the only multi-billion dollar game is actually a PC game.
And bear in mind that consoles gaming tear it self apart 25 years ago, and PC was the only platform that stood around till Nintendo managed to remove the stigma of retailing consoles.
And Leanids comment is pulling peoples heads into the real world. when you have such comments as "I look forward to seeing their choice platform die a slow, agonizing death" becoming increasingly frequent. #multitap
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But at least you picked up on the point he did make "don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what Leanid brought up. PC gaming deserves a lot more respect that it generally has in modern society."
Console gaming may be big bucks now, and many times more gamers on console than PC. But it's kinda sad to see many console gamers who don't know their roots. How many avid Halo fans would know its a Mac game?
That XBL is not the be all and end all of online game play?
Leanids comment is first n foremost a bit of Gaming history 101, and a bit a fair few commentors here on kotaku could do with revisiting, especially before they start hailing the death of PC gaming. #multitap
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I'm not saying that Pc wasn't/isn't important anymore, i'm saying the reaction of people to the lack of dedicatied servers, while justified, was completly over the top and made the whole their agrument seem friutless. Even worse was that the comments where comming from star commentors who should of known better. #multitap
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His quote about console gamers killing gaming is because his post was in reaction to console gamers rooting and cheering for the death of the PC as a gaming platform. Context, it's pretty important.
You have to admit that the extra time, effort, and money involved in having and maintaining a gaming PC means that the people who do so are going to, in general, be more serious about gaming than the people who just went to the store and bought a 300 dollar box. And again, you have to remember that his post was in reaction to numerous other posts, ones that displayed massive ignorance about gaming and why the PC was and is important.
You also said "Your attitude is the EXACT reason console gamers look at you in a bad light. You think you are better than us... and you couldn't be farther from the truth.", which certainly seems to imply that PC gamers deserve to be looked down upon and are in fact worse than console gamers. #multitap
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2/ ' PC games should be better than console games'
Mutiplatform games on consoles sell WAY more than the same game does on a pc. So by that logic, console games should be better ... Hell No! Every mutiplatform game should be released the same on each system to keep it fair. If they want to add stuff later, fine with me but you shouldn't spoil the consumers fun due to missing features or better graphics ( due to 90% not having the right specs to paly the game ie: crysis).
3/ The where at a number of stars acting out of order. Its kind of shocking seeing someone thats meant to look apon commenting on every single comment on every single post in a almost trollish way :(
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You know, I remember a time when I was still hardcore PC gaming, and I kinda looked down on console games. That was over 10 years ago and boy, things have changed. I've learned to appreciate games on every platform and I think gaming is something I will be doing until the day I die. Literally. When I'm found dead, I'll be lying on the floor with a dualshock 3 (or some sort of future gaming device) tightly gripped in my hands. #multitap
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But as heads up, console gamers should be annoyed too, they are been giving the shorty shitty coated end of the stick, and most don't seem to realise. PC gamers know what is being taken away from them, and many will argue about messed up 'features' of consoles too. Like I'm dead adamant against the cost of XBL and will argue against it, but then a console gamer will then go on about how great it is. and its like "why would you inflict this upon yourself willingly?!".
PC gamers tend to know what they have n know what they want, but as a large contingent of console gamers don't know what they could have, they claim that PC gamers have a sense of entitlement.
sorry went off on a bit of a rant thats still eating me up. :P #multitap
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And as with all comments it should never really be interpreted as sweeping generalizations of "all gamer X are hardcore" n such.
And I know of only Bewbs as a PC exclusive gamer, every other PC gamer I know has a 360, Ps3, Wii etc on the side. So for many they are console gamers too, not every game is on PC, so it only makes sense to them.
And next bit needs its own comment #multitap
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"Looks like for Izzy_k....
....It's Game Over"
YEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Edit: aaawww, the damn image didn't work. silly comment system.
[blogs.guardian.co.uk]
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And tbh its not a simple case of just don't buy it. They don't know that you have consciously not bought a game, they ain't telepathic. So you tell them why they haven't bought their game and next time they can improve it. community feedback n all that.
Though one thing I'm noticing with the voting with your wallet, n compaling thing is there may be a cultural difference between Capitalist US n stereotypical complainers from UK. #multitap
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he made valid points, just the way he put things could be taken the wrong way.
like i said before, the thing that makes me the maddest when i hear pc elitism is that they seem to forget that arcade games were up there just as long. people tend to try and point everything to pcs, but i think the arcades innovated just as much. remember playing a game like killer instinct at the arcade with people crowding around you? the smell, the sounds, the dim lights.. thats hardcore as well.. and people tend to forget that.
i think that buying a cab and maintaining it and buying new games for the cab, or making trips to your local arcade a few times a week is just as hardcore (if not more) than building a gaming rig. i think a game like uncharted 2 or halo owe just as much to arcades as they do to pc games. the whole co-op and local multiplayer thing is an arcade attribute. 4 dudes on one box in front of one screen playing halo? thats not a pc thing at all. runnin through ninja gaiden sigma 2 with a friend clearing hordes of enemies? man i did that in golden axe!
i know there are less guys like me out there, but if anything i would sound elitest about arcades if they werent dying.. its such a beautiful, important part of gaming history that is nigh forgotten these days.
*tear* #multitap
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Everyone here is coming across as "I'm better than you" elitist, every time they open their big fat mouths.
It won't stop, however, so whatever... #multitap
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And currently very little to get excited about. But we'll all see how well it goes down when it gets released on Thursday.
Though many can make a informed guess. Which is not very smoothly at all, especially with the last week of mess up's of releases on Valves end. And IWnet will most likely be down at some point launch day.
But as I said, we'll see. #multitap
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