What gets me, is the fact that Xbox 360's are quite difficult for a normal person to mod/hack, and very hard to keep from being banned. I understand why some people do it, hell, I have a hacked PSP to play my Translated Policenauts on, and Original Xbox is Hacked so I can use XBMC, and all the emulators, but something like 360 just seems too much hassle to me.
P.S: Before somebody says, yeah. I have played a few isos on my PSP, but only to check them out, to see if they're worth getting. Sometimes you can't tell from a review.
@splatternick: No your wrong on the average person can't do it for the 360. Now it's pretty much automated as long you can read and comprehend.
Sorry but the lines of avg and tech people able to modify consoles (minus PS3) is pretty blurry since almost anyone can do it but for the people who pay for others to do it either are too cautious or believe that they can't do it.
Now I'm not saying everyone should do it (to mod it and frankly while I was guilty of it don't see a good reason to do so besides personal research and to NOT make a profit out of it) but the misnomer of thinking it's too hard or complicated doesn't cut it these days.
Congrats XB360 as your popularity is about to be the new PS2 of your era (for home console), with a big library of games and the easy use to mod it. #modernwarfare2
Last time I checked, you had to have a certain model of Xbox 360, and you needed certain special tools to flash/hack it.
I'd say, at the end of the day, it'll cost you quite a bit after you've brought all the things you need.
DVD Burner - £30/$40
Recordable DVD's - £20/$30
And the tools you need to flash the 360, and the different drives you need to install, plus the modchip makes the price quite high. Add in the fact that downloading 360 iso's takes a long time, and some people are too impatient to wait.
I know what you mean about average people being able to mod 360's now, but even then, they're still in the minority. #modernwarfare2
@splatternick: Comparing to when I first did it to whats available now by far it easier but I no longer have a working 360 anymore nor do I care to get one. The only major expense besides dual layer burner and media was getting a Kreon dvd drive (to backup my own media mostly JPN import).
@PoweredByHentai: I just recently soft modded my PS2 so I can beat Ar Tonelico II by getting a patch for my US version (as in I own the original game) but the only way to play it is by modified PS2. I later got a Undubbed version which all the sounds were actually Dolby Digital when I found out that the US version didn't have a DD track (which they advertised). I can totally understand why you modded yours. It's true once you unlock your system, you have a certain responsibility to not to abuse it. #modernwarfare2
I am a musician and artist and I find that if you give the customers a good experience without financially devastating them and really deal with them personally you will solve the problem. Music, movies and video games have went out of their way to squeeze every dime out of their fans and exploit their devotion at every turn. The fans response is a lack of respect for the creators and publishers of the product there for making them not feel guilty about piracy. Why would someone feel guilty for stealing from Activation when they have among other publishers and developers release unfinished games, broken peripherals and so on. I'm not supporting piracy, but this is what happens when a industry abandons and exploits it's core fan base. Woodstock 99 was the perfect example of an unorganized resistance. When faced with $10 bottles of water the crowd destroyed everything. Most of the crowed was just idiots but thats how society works. Unconscious civil disobedience. They where pushed to their limit of being exploited. Maybe game publishers should think about correcting their own behavior before pointing the finger at the pirates. #modernwarfare2
I am on your website looking to procure illicit/illegal software and/or hardware for my videogame system. More specifically, I am looking for Modern War Pear 2. If you or you know of anyone who can modify my videogame console or is willing to sell me "pirated videogames" please leave your full name, your address, phone number and email here or email me at Gotchasucka@IPCybercrime.com
I wonder how much jail time, if any, he got for this. My guess is not much though you never know in America, i'm used to it here in Canada where drunk drivers run down 4 year old girls and get 3 years. #modernwarfare2
It's funny how I've never had an interest in pirating games since I got out of the BBS days, but I don't treat the same respect to the music community. :/
That being said, iTunes is evil and it has increased my music spending ten fold easily just by having stuff available when I want it, now, and don't have to try to track it down. Plus, $9.99 for a CD sounds so much better to me than $17.99. #modernwarfare2
@arteris: Word. If not for iTunes, I'd still be stealing music like in the Napster days.
Record Labels really need to get hip to that fact. I only buy what I really want to listen to, and I'm going to do it through iTunes or whatever digital distribution service gives me a good, DRM-free deal. And I will pay. You raise the prices on their licensing and make it to where it no longer make sense to buy, then more than likely I'll go back to my old ways. Grab vast amounts of data with no regard for anyone. #modernwarfare2
@Phydeaux: That's taking the moral high ground now isn't it? Openly admitting to having a willingness to blackmail artists and their labels if they don't give you the "deal" you think you deserve.
Wonder why most music is awful these days? Because real musicians that make truly interesting creations have stopped making music for sorry a$$3$ like yourself. If this is the attitude they get from "fans" then I am not surprised they would rather just make it for themselves to enjoy.
Essentially with an attitude like yours you don't deserve anything better to listen to than the absolute bottom of the proverbial artistic barrel. Keep thinking you have taste in music. #modernwarfare2
@Murauder: Yeah, there's some acceptability for price. And if it's not acceptable, I won't pay it. Would I steal it? Maybe. Where is it any different than the 80s when me and my buddies would mix up stuff from our vinyl onto tape? It's not.
Music is awful these days BECAUSE people pay for a full album to listen to two or three songs, thereby giving the idea to a record label that the entire album's contents are sought after and market research goes further into it in order to tailor-make tracks for the slobbering masses.
If it's from a band I like, I buy it. But these are mostly bands not affiliated with record labels. Or if they are, they have other forums of distribution. Like through iTunes.
Also, you don't have to censor "asses", ass.
And then you try to drag musical taste into an argument about the economics. What a red herring. Come back when you're coherent. #modernwarfare2
Undisclosed in the news article was the fact that Horatio Caine was on the task force that captured this dangerous criminal. Never pirate games in Miami! #modernwarfare2
hahahaha, this will stop absolutely... N O T H I N G. Pirates will pirate the game by the tons anyways. way to stop the sun from rising activision. #modernwarfare2
@Windrummerboy: Since when has law enforcement stopped people from breaking any law? Just because the arrest won't do much to act as a deterrent in any way means that police and citizens should turn a blind eye to current and future violations. #modernwarfare2
Is there going to come a time when law enforcement is so reliant on tips from social networking sites, that merely not having a myspace/facebook account significantly increases the likelihood of criminals getting away with crimes? #modernwarfare2
@GoonerVance: Stupid people are stupid people. If you're not smart enough to not go posting your info all over the place, and have it connected through other things.... You'll get caught no matter what. #modernwarfare2
@Kris: I was talking about the police tho, they probably patted themselves on the back for catching this kid, but honestly, this kid ain't exactly Al Capone. The cops get fat off all these "easy" investigations, and just give up on other crimes because they can't google search "Who did it?". I always thought CSI was more a deterrent than actual reality, and that there's misinformation about how often people get away with crimes. #modernwarfare2
@GoonerVance: Then I misunderstood the intent of your original post. I'm sorry. :(
I looked at it as, no matter what, stupid criminals will be stupidly caught. #modernwarfare2
@Polterg3ist is Nothing but Cogs: Well it's so much easier to pirate for PC than for consoles. You don't have to mod a pc to pirate a game, all you need is virtual drive software like daemon tools (which actually has non pirate uses) and you're pretty much set. It's easier to just download an iso and mount it on a v-drive than to pay someone or mod your console itself than have to place it on that hard drive or make a physical copy.
I say overall PC does have the worst piracy issues. That's not to say that the other consoles don't, but it's just so much more prevalent on PC than any other platform. #modernwarfare2
@Ozymandias: Yep the cost, as I understand it, is not worth the effort to pirate the games. Buying the drive to copy the games, the tools and the disc itself is just not economically feasible. It's not that they can do it, it's just that it's cheaper and easier to just buy the game. #modernwarfare2
@MarginalMeaning: Reading the article and how easy it was for the cops to find and obtain a pirate copy of the game themsevles on the 360. It sure doesn't look that hard to me.
As far as PC go it is not as easy as downloading an iso and using a virtual cd rom to mount the iso. That doesn't by itself remove the copy protection on the disc.
On console you have to use the console drm. On PC there are many different types and kinds. If you have something you want to protect there is a difference between using a safe and chain with a masterlock.
I think it is wrong to blame all of PC gamers because publishers use weak copy protection that is widely known to be easy to bypass. They chose to continue to use an inferior system to protect their products, and some of the blame for that.
So far all the stories about piracy and modern warfare 2 have all been about the 360, and not PC. So far the facts have not lived up to the PC piracy excuse created by Activision/IW for gutting the PC version of the game. #modernwarfare2
@Jonn: Well, it depends on your definition of pirating.
According to many game companies and publishers, used game sales are a real killer to sales and a "Piracy" of some sorts.
Lets also not forget people who just swap the disc to single player games. That is basically what the PC game pirates are doing.
I think PC game piracy is larger because it is easier to track, hands down. We only get estimates on used game sales, we have no idea whom let their friends borrow GTA4, but we can see the current number of seeders and leechers, which makes it the obvious target. #modernwarfare2
@LCOS: "According to many game companies and publishers, used game sales are a real killer to sales and a "Piracy" of some sorts."
Not a commonly accepted definition. Irrelevant.
"Lets also not forget people who just swap the disc to single player games. That is basically what the PC game pirates are doing."
No it's not. The former trade games, the latter copy. Even if people install PC games then sell 'em, it's not really "piracy" unless they copy the disc, or the EULA specifically tells them not to.
I can't believe people serious argue used games--which are linear--are the same as piracy, which is multiplicative. #modernwarfare2
@Nulls: I'm not sure if I follow you, you think the developers should use even harder copy protection systems? And that gamers pirate because copy protection is easy to work around?
To the first question, I think you forget the fact that PCs are a much open platform than consoles (you put the software and the hardware you want in it) so no developer can do much more than what they do. And SecuROM has shown us the risks of going to far with copy protection. #modernwarfare2
@MichaelPalin: In this case the developer did go with stronger copy protect in the form of Steam and IWnet. Steam has also proven that you can have a fair copy protection system that works and doesn't go too far.
I am saying Activision has some responisbility for protecting their games from pirates. The protection they used in the past was a joke, and was pretty much the same kind of protection system Quake 3 and the original Half Life had over a decade ago. You didn't even need a cd to play the multiplayer version.
I think it that should be taken more into consideration, instead of scapegoating PC pirates for all the reasons why the PC version has been gutted and stereotyping PC gamers as priates. #modernwarfare2
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P.S: Before somebody says, yeah. I have played a few isos on my PSP, but only to check them out, to see if they're worth getting. Sometimes you can't tell from a review.
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Sorry but the lines of avg and tech people able to modify consoles (minus PS3) is pretty blurry since almost anyone can do it but for the people who pay for others to do it either are too cautious or believe that they can't do it.
Now I'm not saying everyone should do it (to mod it and frankly while I was guilty of it don't see a good reason to do so besides personal research and to NOT make a profit out of it) but the misnomer of thinking it's too hard or complicated doesn't cut it these days.
Congrats XB360 as your popularity is about to be the new PS2 of your era (for home console), with a big library of games and the easy use to mod it. #modernwarfare2
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Last time I checked, you had to have a certain model of Xbox 360, and you needed certain special tools to flash/hack it.
I'd say, at the end of the day, it'll cost you quite a bit after you've brought all the things you need.
DVD Burner - £30/$40
Recordable DVD's - £20/$30
And the tools you need to flash the 360, and the different drives you need to install, plus the modchip makes the price quite high. Add in the fact that downloading 360 iso's takes a long time, and some people are too impatient to wait.
I know what you mean about average people being able to mod 360's now, but even then, they're still in the minority. #modernwarfare2
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@PoweredByHentai: I just recently soft modded my PS2 so I can beat Ar Tonelico II by getting a patch for my US version (as in I own the original game) but the only way to play it is by modified PS2. I later got a Undubbed version which all the sounds were actually Dolby Digital when I found out that the US version didn't have a DD track (which they advertised). I can totally understand why you modded yours. It's true once you unlock your system, you have a certain responsibility to not to abuse it. #modernwarfare2
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Seriously, put that kid in the circus. #modernwarfare2
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Hello gents,
I am on your website looking to procure illicit/illegal software and/or hardware for my videogame system. More specifically, I am looking for Modern War Pear 2. If you or you know of anyone who can modify my videogame console or is willing to sell me "pirated videogames" please leave your full name, your address, phone number and email here or email me at Gotchasucka@IPCybercrime.com
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
HardcoreGamerzzz3321 #modernwarfare2
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That being said, iTunes is evil and it has increased my music spending ten fold easily just by having stuff available when I want it, now, and don't have to try to track it down. Plus, $9.99 for a CD sounds so much better to me than $17.99. #modernwarfare2
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Record Labels really need to get hip to that fact. I only buy what I really want to listen to, and I'm going to do it through iTunes or whatever digital distribution service gives me a good, DRM-free deal. And I will pay. You raise the prices on their licensing and make it to where it no longer make sense to buy, then more than likely I'll go back to my old ways. Grab vast amounts of data with no regard for anyone. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Wonder why most music is awful these days? Because real musicians that make truly interesting creations have stopped making music for sorry a$$3$ like yourself. If this is the attitude they get from "fans" then I am not surprised they would rather just make it for themselves to enjoy.
Essentially with an attitude like yours you don't deserve anything better to listen to than the absolute bottom of the proverbial artistic barrel. Keep thinking you have taste in music. #modernwarfare2
11/06/09
Music is awful these days BECAUSE people pay for a full album to listen to two or three songs, thereby giving the idea to a record label that the entire album's contents are sought after and market research goes further into it in order to tailor-make tracks for the slobbering masses.
If it's from a band I like, I buy it. But these are mostly bands not affiliated with record labels. Or if they are, they have other forums of distribution. Like through iTunes.
Also, you don't have to censor "asses", ass.
And then you try to drag musical taste into an argument about the economics. What a red herring. Come back when you're coherent. #modernwarfare2
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Modding is not illegal! Backups of originals are not illegal!
Selling those backups, however, is a different story! #modernwarfare2
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I'm more than a little teed off that any corporation can and will tell what you can or cannot do with something you buy. #modernwarfare2
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That ain't no perm, mang. That's just curly hair. #modernwarfare2
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That makes two of us :) #modernwarfare2
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now u know where agent smith gets it from.. #modernwarfare2
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I looked at it as, no matter what, stupid criminals will be stupidly caught. #modernwarfare2
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Are they not seeing this case? Are they not reading the sites? It seems to me like 360 ISO's are getting bigger every year. #modernwarfare2
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I say overall PC does have the worst piracy issues. That's not to say that the other consoles don't, but it's just so much more prevalent on PC than any other platform. #modernwarfare2
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As far as PC go it is not as easy as downloading an iso and using a virtual cd rom to mount the iso. That doesn't by itself remove the copy protection on the disc.
On console you have to use the console drm. On PC there are many different types and kinds. If you have something you want to protect there is a difference between using a safe and chain with a masterlock.
I think it is wrong to blame all of PC gamers because publishers use weak copy protection that is widely known to be easy to bypass. They chose to continue to use an inferior system to protect their products, and some of the blame for that.
So far all the stories about piracy and modern warfare 2 have all been about the 360, and not PC. So far the facts have not lived up to the PC piracy excuse created by Activision/IW for gutting the PC version of the game. #modernwarfare2
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According to many game companies and publishers, used game sales are a real killer to sales and a "Piracy" of some sorts.
Lets also not forget people who just swap the disc to single player games. That is basically what the PC game pirates are doing.
I think PC game piracy is larger because it is easier to track, hands down. We only get estimates on used game sales, we have no idea whom let their friends borrow GTA4, but we can see the current number of seeders and leechers, which makes it the obvious target. #modernwarfare2
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Not a commonly accepted definition. Irrelevant.
"Lets also not forget people who just swap the disc to single player games. That is basically what the PC game pirates are doing."
No it's not. The former trade games, the latter copy. Even if people install PC games then sell 'em, it's not really "piracy" unless they copy the disc, or the EULA specifically tells them not to.
I can't believe people serious argue used games--which are linear--are the same as piracy, which is multiplicative. #modernwarfare2
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To the first question, I think you forget the fact that PCs are a much open platform than consoles (you put the software and the hardware you want in it) so no developer can do much more than what they do. And SecuROM has shown us the risks of going to far with copy protection. #modernwarfare2
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I am saying Activision has some responisbility for protecting their games from pirates. The protection they used in the past was a joke, and was pretty much the same kind of protection system Quake 3 and the original Half Life had over a decade ago. You didn't even need a cd to play the multiplayer version.
I think it that should be taken more into consideration, instead of scapegoating PC pirates for all the reasons why the PC version has been gutted and stereotyping PC gamers as priates. #modernwarfare2
11/10/09