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Plus the co-op modes adds up, gives the game a better perceived value. Honestly, if one had never played Halo 3 multiplayer, the value would be on par.
But I agree, it is funny how people see value. Myself, for instance, won't think twice about buying a game I think will be mediocre in retail if it's in the $15 range, I consider that a risk free purchase.
On XBLA, however, I carefully consider my purchases, especially if it's 1200 points. #halo3odst
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With XBLA/PSN, I expect the games to be more time wasters than anything, even though this is increasingly untrue. Also consider that on XBLA, $15 isn't actually $15, you're usually left with residue points, which is just extra money tied up.
It's a big gray area, this moving concept of what makes something 'worth' it. #halo3odst
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Also, others have already pointed out that MW2 is on three different platforms while ODST is exclusive to one.
Furthermore, three million sold copies is a solid number. Every GOTY contender this year aside from MW2 won't be sniffing that until the end of next year.
Yes, I'm a Halo fanboy. Wanna fight aboudit?
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But I thought this game was a ripoff. It definitely should have been priced lower.
But hey, MS sold 3 million copies at a high price and they knew they could all along. Selling 5 million copies at $30 rather than $60 would have still brought in less revenue. #halo3odst
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Sure, it's not Mario or Nintendo numbers but it's up there. #halo3odst
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Not really fair to compare them yet. #halo3odst
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I'm not saying MW2 doesn't deserve it or anything (believe me, I had the game 5 days before street date), but people act as if Halo's numbers aren't impressive to begin with.
I still yet have to buy the game <.< #halo3odst
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It just got so big because instead of having a $1000 computer, parents could just buy their kids a $300 xbox to play, and that released the floodgates to what is ,by any gamer that has been around the block, a mediocre arcade style shooter.
IMO, Modern Warfare evolved it to the next level. Similar to how Counter-strike came out as a mod and had a different style than the arcadey shooters like Quake, silently caught on and still is one of the most played online shooters.
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Halo 2 was definitely special. It paved for console multiplayer, whether you loved it or not.
Halo 3 may not have been gold, but it's perfectly polished silver. It's a blast to play with friends. And that's why it's so popular.
I agree, it is mediocre, but fun with friends. Something a lot of games lack.
Comparing console multiplayer to PC multiplayer is just wrong. It is universally known that PC is indefinitely superior multiplayer wise.
By the way, now you can get a decent gaming rig for $500-$600 ;o
Also, Counter Strike *greater than* all :D.
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I'd argue that Counter-strike was the first mainstream FPS. If you went to any internet cafe/pc center you'd see at least half the computers running it.
Computers have definitely dropped a ton in price. I remember when my dad bought me a new computer for the family and it was a $2100 450 Mhz Pentium 3 IBM. For that much money you could get a sick set up going these days.
And I guess I agree with your point about the multiplayer since it allowed 4 player split screen, a rarity. #halo3odst
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The funny thing about PC gaming is that its own fanbase is what's destroying it.
Anyway that's mighty impressive, I bought ODST today and I'm loving it. #halo3odst
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Counter-Strike 1.0 was released in 2000 (after many betas that started in '99), Halo was released less than a year later. It took a while for consoles to catch up on online play, but Halo's LAN play was popular nonetheless. #halo3odst
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I'm playing through MW2 right now and as far as it taking it to the "next level" is absurd. It does some things very, very well but I see no innovations.
Halo and MW are two very different shooters; many preference one over the other, but they are both extremely good games. Halo 3 was released two years ago and has a thriving community, as does MW.
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CS was released as retail 3/1999. Halo was released 9/2001.
By mainstream i was referring to multiplayer. And at the time the console rival was Goldeneye. #halo3odst
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Also, Halo's LAN play supported up to 16 players. #halo3odst
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Better graphics perhaps since you know the 360's processing and video card are outdated. #halo3odst
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I never compared the sales, I was just stating that Halo sold amazingly on one platform and people don't seem to realize that.
Note to Vonhert: Learn reading comprehension. #halo3odst
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You find me a console FPS with more support and consistent (note the consistent) playerbase than Team Fortress 2 and I'll get you a cookie.
Funny thing about console gamers: They think their shitty machine with crappy controls can really outperform a PC. #halo3odst
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I'd be surprised if any sane person believes that. My 5 year old computer out performs my 360 at 1080p resolution. #halo3odst
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Hey! Listen! #halo3odst
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We don't really need to rehash the "women play video games too. no, really. no, we do, and not just bejewled" discussion again, do we?
It isn't 1990 anymore. Almost everyone in their mid 20s grew up on Zelda and Mario, regardless of gender. A lot of those gals stuck to it. You just don't see many since women online since once they get the "omg, a girl playing video games!? I'll flirt with you in a hamfisted fashion before making a sexist remark!" experience it's usually followed by setting the profile to friends only and avoiding the unwashed masses like the plague.
On the other hand, everyone I know who has a PS3 is a guy. #xbox360
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@Kimochi Sama: #xbox360
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Now people are actually spending money on these virtual gimmicks? Scary.
I'm also afraid that, unless the PC gets some version of this on Steam, our platform will become even more neglected by developers. Hell, consumers giving you $5 each for something it took your developers 20 minutes to cook up? How can any company not make one of their own?
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Can I join the club with my E68 or am I not cool enough with my hard drive failure. #xbox360
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What if it was the first night of my brand new 360 having never owned one before and playing my first 360 game ever for one hour before getting the error message.
what then. Can I get a pass? #xbox360
11/13/09
Scarcely top performance especially when there was no competition to start with. Looks like this was released to draw attention from the NPD figures.
Remember when MS said 'history tells us' that the first to 10m in the USA wins - what does history tell us about the last to 10m in EMEA?
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If I am wrong, I would love evidence to the contrary. These console wars are so amusing.
/PCGamer #xbox360
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I take it you're referring to my last paragraph. No, it's MS that I'm have a (gentle) go at.
Of course, there isn't a generally accepted set of figures, and the territories don't match up, and we're talking EMEA rather than PAL - but suggestions/extrapolations are that MS and Sony are very close in EMEA, both at about 10m - and there's a chance that MS is behind. And of course it took them a lot longer to get there.
I didn't mean any more than that. The dig was more aimed at MS's old 'first to 10m' comment than anything else. #xbox360
11/13/09
It is just that companies usually brag about something they think they are are best at or first at or biggest at. If they brag about something else it usually means they don't have something better to brag about. #xbox360
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Like the ability to be a noise machine to help you sleep.
Or a space heater to keep you warm.
Or a disc shredder.
PS3 fanboys are so lame, they don't get any of this awesome stuff. I'd actually just throw my playstation into the nearest homeless guy or street musicians money cup, tbh #xbox360
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...in anticipation of the numerous posts you're about to recieve
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Nothing less than amazing.
btw how did that dick face get a star? O.o
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PS3 isn't even worthy of a yearly paid membership. I mean, lets be honest here, do you want to sleep on your friends couch for free, or pay to stay in the most excellent 6 star rated (on a 5 star scale) Hotel Six? I mean, goddamn, the Hotel Six has such simple looking rooms that are easy to get into and out of so that you can hook up with strangers any time of the day who will say any number of things to you whether you want them to or not. And from what I'm told theres constantly pirates and squatters taking up residence in the other rooms until management chases them away. Exciting.
What the fuck do you get on your friends couch. A pity visit from a friend down the street? PSSSSH I get a continental breakfast, bitch. Screw your free couch, I'll take my seedy bodily fluid open door policy hotel that I have to pay for, thank you.
Well, to be fair, I guess I use my PS3 to open clams down at the beach. So it has its uses. #xbox360
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You're a moron. #xbox360
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You just feel bad because you're forced to kick your system around a little to get it to break. The Xbox takes care of that for me.
Sucks to be you. #xbox360
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@Komrade Kayce: #xbox360
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Jokes? No, my friend, this is serious business.
Just look at all the overheated replies. Obvious Xbot wannabes. #xbox360
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It's a lot like getting thrown in the slammer, locked in a small uncomfortable space, and trying to pass encoded messages to your guy on the outside. You are given very little opportunity to get out of your room, but who would want that anyway? When you do get out you spend the whole time praying you don't get shanked in the yard by a random stranger.
But hey, it's not all bad, after all its free to get in and the guards take care of everything you need, weather you like it or not. #xbox360
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My friend's couch'll do fine for now #xbox360
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I kno, seriously, thats some pretty good advice. Especially when trolls are known to feast primarily on billy goats and small children. I don't really have access to a supply of either.
The problem is, if we don't feed trolls, won't they attack the local village looking for food anyways? I guess the villagers could TRY to drive them off, but it would probably be easier just to toss them a sheep once in a while.
And fire, always use fire. They can't regrow limbs if you cauterize the wounds.
What kind of system would a troll have, anyways? Hes probably too ugly to hang out on xbox live, can't lure children under the bridge by tempting them with playstation, and probably doesn't have enough room (being that hes under a bridge and all) to flail about with a Wii.
A DS, maybe? I've heard news reports before telling me that pictochat is brilliant for sexual predators. The troll could just send something like 'omgz little timmy we are all meeting under that spooky old bridge at the end of the village tonight at midnight to play silly human child games - your friend sally' anytime he felt like a snack. #xbox360
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@Komrade Kayce: sigh.
I remember back in the AOL and Dreamcast chat room days it was fun now and then to stir up controversy and troll it up with long drawn out over-thought responses. But then do you know what happened? I realized their was more to life than teen-angst and my childish ways. A troll in sheep's clothing is still a troll. #xbox360
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Than I'm curious as to what system you think my parents bought for me that caused me to take a school full of 800 children hostage and force them to become followers so that I could get a little star beside my name.
No, really. I'm genuinely curious as to this answer.
(the answer is actually a 32x, Sega perfected the gaming console experience and I've decided to live at home well into my late 20's so I can continue to ask my parents to buy my stuff for me) #xbox360
11/13/09
Well, considering you've moved onto other topics at Kotaku without replying to me yet, I'll take that as a sign of you went up, actually READ what I wrote, and realized theres no way I was favouring either system.
Or maybe you typed Komrade Kayce into mygamercard.net and noticed I've got around 260 games played for the 360 with a 78k gamerscore.
Or maybe you typed it into google image search and found that picture from last year with a stack of games numbering in the 100's and my name sitting on top of it (I collect, you see).
Or maybe you just went through my past post history of Kotaku and discovered that I not only own a playstation AND a 360, but have been fortunate enough to have been gifted with the joy of honesty. Allowing me to say with a chuckle that the 360 is a steaming pile of shit when it comes to manufacturing quality and the PS3 makes for a good bludgeoning weapon.
Of course, seeing as how you, like a few people who replied, seem like the sort of people who throw shoes at Colbert for being a crazy right wing fundamentalist, maybe you just gave up and went with whatever assumptions about me you've made that make you comfortable.
Of course, I was really biting my lip this whole time trying not to spoil the joke even in the face of people understanding the satire in what I was writing because the more angry 'YOU R STOOPID' replies I could get, the better (as the one person above said, its like that crazy indian video, lol), for the world is at its best when you show it to be immensely hilarious in its lack of humour.
And none of this 'no, i got what you were trying to say, you just werent being funny' bs to try to come off good here. You made allusions that I'm likely the sort of person with only one console (so which one is it? The 360 space heater/disc shredder or the PS3 I use to break open clams down at the beach?).
If this was a dance off, I just threw a novel of words at your head with the title 'You got served' on the cover and walked out of the alley. #xbox360
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I just don't find it necessary to use the Bellow again and again like you were. All in all spoofing the punks does nothing but make you a bigger punk.
I will take my 'serving' and move along. #xbox360
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The only people you give fuel to by typing what I typed are people with no sense of humour.
I called Xbox Live a seedy hotel and PSN your friends couch, for chrissakes.
I wasn't trying to spoof the punks. The punks spoofed themselves. I just let them continue.
The joke is better when you have people who don't get it making it blatantly obvious, don't you think? I was just making light at first, but it got better and better with others and yourselves making assumptions that would be impossible to make if you took two seconds to actually read what was in letters right in front of you. Really now, I'm telling people to give their playstation to a homeless man because the 360 has great features like eating your games. And people are getting mad because I'm slamming the PS3 (as evident by our friend Juan above with a PSN but no GT).
*cough*
Two guys walk into a bar and...
WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE TWO GUYS. I DONT KNOW ANYONE WHO GOES TO BARS. WHAT IF ONE HAS A WHEELCHAIR? RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE #xbox360
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/now I sound like my wife "It wasn't what you said it was how you said it." Do you see what you are doing? You are turning me into my wife. a;ldsfjfd' #xbox360
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Now go fuckin' take the trash to the curb if you want any dinner.
I wasn't getting my worst part off the jollies of the gaming community. Theres a few of us here with a sense of humour, like ol Cap'n above asking me if I was going to quit (like his 360 processor did).
I just wasn't about to step in and go 'guys guys guys have a sense of humour'. Having people get mad at obvious sillyness can be just as much fun as being silly itself. Seriously. I wouldn't compare myself to the man, but look at how funny it was when Bill O'Reiley had Colbert on his show to discuss right wing politics and Colbert kept a straight face the entire time. Watching others 'not get it' can be priceless.
Comeeeee onnnn I was telling people I use my PS3 to open clams at the beach. Clams! How much more obvious could I make it that I was being silly? #xbox360
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@Komrade Kayce:
<------ #xbox360
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Well put, ahahaahahahahaha #xbox360
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