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    Image of NeVeRMoRe666 NeVeRMoRe666
    02:10 AM

    In reply to Exploiting MW2's 'Javelin Glitch' Will Get You Banned, Says XBL
    Disregard.
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    Edited by NeVeRMoRe666 at 12/04/09 2:14 AM NeVeRMoRe666 was starred NeVeRMoRe666 was unstarred
    Image of Covert_Knight Covert_Knight
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    Now all they have to do is get the bloody system to run properly.

    Didn't they have problems with PC edition of Fallout 3 DLC? How the hell do they think they're going to manage this? With their hopes and dreams?
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    Image of Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    ...I'm satisfied with Steam. I haven't even bothered with Games on Demand with my 360. Simply because I'm waiting for them to give me that 250GB HDD for a reasonable price.

    [kotaku.com]

    Not to mention half the games in there I already own or don't care for.
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    Edited by Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition at 12/03/09 12:27 PM Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition was starred Super Violent St. Cannon- GOTY Edition was unstarred
    Image of LiQuid! LiQuid!
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    Awesome, now you can buy PC games at or near their full MSRP without the physical media!

    Seriously, has anybody bought one of these On Demand games on Xbox Live? There is no way that could have been a successful venture at the prices available...
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    It'll be interesting to see how Microsoft copes in the sector. They've never been known for competitive pricing and for the digital download market, you need to be willing to drop your price to compete against services like Steam and Impulse that have sales on the whole time.
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    Image of StaticSignal StaticSignal
    12/03/09

    @-MasterDex-: What's really going to make or break this service is the titles they offer. If they really, really wanted to make a splash, all they would have to do is pay Bungie and Epic to make GFWL versions of Halo 3 and Gears of War 2. Can you imagine the sales those two releases would generate? GFW would really explode onto the scene as a major player.

    While they probably won't compete very hard with Steam, Impulse et. al. on price, what they could do, again, is titles. Take some of the big-name 360 releases and sell them as GFWL exclusives, successfully cutting their digital competitors off from major money-makers.

    Let's face it, their success on the 360 front is from having total and complete control over the platform. With GFWL's built-in (and rather lightweight) DRM, they could use that to secure their platform and make big money in the little ecosystem they're setting up here.
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    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    Oh no. I just realized something.

    What if they use Microsoft points as the currency? We're DOOOOMED!
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    Edited by spiderweb1986 at 12/03/09 12:07 PM spiderweb1986 was starred spiderweb1986 was unstarred
    Image of flukielukie flukielukie
    12/03/09

    @spiderweb1986: They don't, they don't even use it as currency on the 360 ones, makes me wish they were the same for the games themselves, i'd love to just take 50p out of my bank account to get some community games.
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    spiderweb1986 promoted this comment flukielukie was starred flukielukie was unstarred
    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12/03/09

    @flukielukie: That completely slipped my mind, because I've pretty much ignored the existence of Games on Demand since it launched. Good catch.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    If the prices are as high as they are for the Xbox version of Games on Demand, this is going to be dead on arrival.

    Sadly, the prices probably will be that high. Microsoft hasn't exactly been known for their deals.
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    Image of MooglesInMyFace MooglesInMyFace
    12/03/09

    @spiderweb1986: the prices for the xbox 360 games are as high as they are because of retailer pressure.

    Not that Steam is known for exceptional non-sale prices anyway. Games are still $50($60 for MW2!) the day they come out, probably because of retailer pressure.
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    spiderweb1986 promoted this comment Edited by MooglesInMyFace at 12/03/09 12:02 PM MooglesInMyFace was starred MooglesInMyFace was unstarred
    Image of DorkimusPrime DorkimusPrime
    12/03/09

    @MooglesInMyFace: or in the case of GTA4, STILL $50 a year after release. I want to buy digitally but it's so much cheaper to do it later, especially if you wait a couple months past release.
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    spiderweb1986 promoted this comment DorkimusPrime was starred DorkimusPrime was unstarred
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    12/03/09

    @MooglesInMyFace: the prices for the xbox 360 games are as high as they are because of retailer pressure.

    There isn't retailer pressure for PC games? Not as much, sure, because it's a smaller market, but retailers and publishers aren't going to let Steam sell Modern Warfare 2 for $30 at launch.

    Not that Steam is known for exception non-sale prices anyway.

    That's the thing - Steam runes sales regularly. Good sales. Occasionally great sales, like their Black Friday weekend.

    Microsoft's idea of a "deal," as shown by the XBLA Deal of the Week, is cutting 400 Microsoft points from the price of a 1200 point game, or putting Halo 3 themes on sale for 37% off (yes, that really happened).
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    Image of MooglesInMyFace MooglesInMyFace
    12/03/09

    @DorkimusPrime:

    Yep. I refuse to buy brand new games on Steam because I've been burned too many times. 50% of SFIV like a month after it comes out? I can wait from now on.
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    Image of MooglesInMyFace MooglesInMyFace
    12/03/09

    @spiderweb1986:

    You are correct that Steam will have an advantage because of their great sales. I'm not arguing there at all.

    But, that said, if Microsoft is smart they'll get some good people and take a good look at the marketplace to compete with Valve. Perhaps we'll see some good sales for the PC service.

    We'll have to wait and see. Unfortunately, as it stands right now the Games for Windows division at Microsoft is severely underfunded. It's like NASA, but worse.
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    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12/03/09

    @DorkimusPrime: Cases like that where the game never drops in price are, as far as I can tell, due to the publisher's laziness or greed.

    I'm firmly convinced that Valve isn't run by idiots. All of their titles on Steam have dropped in list price as time goes on, to (mostly) reasonable levels. On the other hand, GTA4's current list price for a retail copy on Amazon is $30. If it was up to Valve, do you really think they'd be charging 66% more and expecting people to pay?
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    Image of Mromson Mromson
    12/03/09

    @MooglesInMyFace: No, it's because Activision is greedy. Or their digital sale department is lazy. Digital Pricing is quickly falling out of retailers control.
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    Image of MooglesInMyFace MooglesInMyFace
    12/03/09

    @Mromson:

    If that was the case you would think that Valve of all companies would price their digital games cheaper than retail, and with Left 4 Dead 2(aside from the 4 pack), that isn't the case.

    The Orange Box is actually $3 less on Amazon.com with free shipping.
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    Image of DorkimusPrime DorkimusPrime
    12/03/09

    @spiderweb1986: I can't decide, honest. Direct2Drive is charging $30, and I ended up buying it on disc for $20 two weeks ago from Amazon. Since D2D's price is so much lower, I have to think it's Valve's problem, not TakeTwo/Rockstar.

    D2D: [www.direct2drive.com]

    Amazon: [www.amazon.com]

    Steam: [store.steampowered.com]

    When other DL services (in this case D2D) have a game cheaper, I can't fault the publisher.
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    Image of Mromson Mromson
    12/03/09

    @MooglesInMyFace: They do enough of that with big sales. They're not gonna sit there and undercut themselves every time a retailer has a sale. The publisher has the say in pricing - the distributor (Valve, Stardock, etc.) can only suggest a pricing. Some big titles get easily discounted, while others don't.

    One look at Activision shows that they run away from sales like one would run away from burning napalm.
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    spiderweb1986 promoted this comment Mromson was starred Mromson was unstarred
    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12/03/09

    @DorkimusPrime: I can't explain that discrepancy.

    All I know is that I've heard in a few places (like here, from the developer of one of the games in the Black Frida...) is that Steam asks developers if they want to be part of the promotions and how deep the discount should be. I'd have to assume that the same is true for regular pricing.

    The impression I've always had is that, aside from their own titles, Valve doesn't have any say in the pricing of other titles. If they're going to remain a neutral store front, they can't - otherwise, there'd be accusations of Valve pricing other games to give themselves a competitive advantage.
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    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    So it's like a gimp Steam? Today's word is 'gimp' I guess. I've used it twice. Good word.
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    Image of That mop mutant from NES. That mop mutant from NES.
    12/03/09

    @Friedhamster: Having said that...
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    Friedhamster promoted this comment That mop mutant from NES. was starred That mop mutant from NES. was unstarred
    Image of Friedhamster Friedhamster
    12/03/09

    @That mop mutant from NES.: Watch this season of Curb?
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    Image of Vecha: One more Month Vecha: One more Month
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    Can I plug in my 360 to my desktop Via USB cable?
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    Image of hk458 hk458
    12/03/09

    In reply to Games On Demand Coming To Games For Windows Live
    Something tells me this is gonna be the most broken of brokenest services ever.
    Its just a hunch though.
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    Image of Rainault Rainault
    12/03/09

    @hk458: I wouldn't be so sure about that. Xbox LIVE and Games on Demand work pretty well.
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    Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok promoted this comment Rainault was starred Rainault was unstarred
    Image of Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok Sir-Lucius does anything for Dethklok
    12/03/09

    @Rainault: However Games for Windows Live does not. I'm with hk on this one.
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    Image of Shabs Shabs
    12/03/09

    @Rainault: You can currently get the Games for Windows LIVE client.

    It is very clunky and nowhere near as slick as on the 360. LIVE is something I love on the 360 and put up with for the sake of achievements on the PC.
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    spiderweb1986 promoted this comment Shabs was starred Shabs was unstarred
    Image of hk458 hk458
    12/03/09

    @Rainault: That and XBOX LIVE only has to worry about 1 specific type of hardware with 1 specific type of software configuration.
    Heck there are games (both new and old) on Steam that dont run on every pc.
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    Edited by hk458 at 12/03/09 12:14 PM hk458 was starred hk458 was unstarred
    Image of deanbmmv deanbmmv
    12/03/09

    @hk458: For example, Crysis.

    Nah only kidding, I was playing Peggle when this happened.
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    hk458 promoted this comment deanbmmv was starred deanbmmv was unstarred
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    12/03/09

    @deanbmmv: Let me guess and this edition of Peggle was Games for Windows Live certified right? :D
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    Image of deanbmmv deanbmmv
    12/03/09

    @hk458: It said it worked with crossfire, how was I supposed to know exactly what it meant ;_;
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    Image of dracosummoner dracosummoner
    12/03/09

    In reply to Canada's Bungie-Scented Xbox 360 Bundle
    That is completely awesome. I don't live in Canada, but I want to give thanks to Bungie on behalf of those who do and who are interested in this.
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    Image of Cochese: Now with moxie. Cochese: Now with moxie.
    12/03/09

    @dracosummoner: Ahhh, but wouldn't it be Microsoft you are you should be thanking? Or were you just thanking Bungie for the games?
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    dracosummoner promoted this comment Cochese: Now with moxie. was starred Cochese: Now with moxie. was unstarred
    Image of dracosummoner dracosummoner
    12/03/09

    @Cochese: Now with moxie.:

    Right. Microsoft, too, sorry!
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    Image of FireflyPunk FireflyPunk
    12/03/09

    In reply to Exploiting MW2's 'Javelin Glitch' Will Get You Banned, Says XBL
    Fortunately Sony doesn't care!!!

    Cheat away! Yay Sony!

    You're like the absentee parent that I never had.
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    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    12/03/09

    In reply to Canada's Bungie-Scented Xbox 360 Bundle
    I somehow read the headline as "Bungie-Scented Xbox 360 Candle," and I was quite intrigued.

    Damn dyslexia!
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    Image of Spoony Bard Spoony Bard
    12/03/09

    In reply to Exploiting MW2's 'Javelin Glitch' Will Get You Banned, Says XBL
    So how do I report them? JKillaSKZ is just one of the many I've come across.
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    Image of Nomad_Khan Nomad_Khan
    12/03/09

    @Spoony Bard: Dont worry, IW knows who is exploiting it, but try their forums there must be a thread for reporting players.
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    Spoony Bard promoted this comment Nomad_Khan was starred Nomad_Khan was unstarred
    Image of KiwiMan KiwiMan
    12/03/09

    @Spoony Bard: View there gamertag and click "file complaint"
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    Spoony Bard promoted this comment KiwiMan was starred KiwiMan was unstarred
    Image of Parsifal Parsifal
    12/03/09

    @Spoony Bard: Find their gamercard either via the list of people playing in the room or by checking your "Recent Players" list. Highlight the one you want and select them with the "A" button. Scroll down to "File Complaint" and follow the instructions. You'll get several menu to help you properly file the report. I think the one you want is "Tampering/Glitching" or somesuch.

    Once you cofirm your complaint the report gets timestamped and they'll check when you played with them, the match data (such as kill logs) and if there are any other complaints on them. They'll also check your filed complaints and if you've been reported yourself, to see how trustworthy you might be.
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    Spoony Bard promoted this comment Edited by Parsifal at 12/03/09 6:25 AM Parsifal was starred Parsifal was unstarred
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    12/03/09

    @Parsifal: Thanks guys :)
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    Image of ssh83 ssh83
    12/03/09

    @Spoony Bard: Why can't they just hot fix this? Doesn't LIVE allow hotfixes?
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    Spoony Bard promoted this comment ssh83 was starred ssh83 was unstarred
    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/02/09

    In reply to Exploiting MW2's 'Javelin Glitch' Will Get You Banned, Says XBL
    Why are people complaining about IW banning players who use an unfair glitch that ruins the game for everyone else? It might not be hacking, but it's still cheating, as it isn't how the game was meant to be played. Plus, it's just a 24 hour ban. They'll get over it. Chances are most people who use this glitch in ranked matches are the kinds of people who make Xbox Live a worse place for everyone else who are just trying to have fun.
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    Image of crazy.eye.kid crazy.eye.kid
    12/02/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: Dont't even get me started on that whole sh*t about "playing the game the way it was meant to be played". Camping isn't how the game was meant to be played. Boosting isn't how the game was meant to be played. Modded controllers aren't how the game was meant to be played. Its a fact of life. No game is EVER played exactly the way it should be, because people find strategies that win games, and this is one of those strategies. Granted, it borders on cheating, but calling it cheating is an overstatement.
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    Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation approved this comment crazy.eye.kid was starred crazy.eye.kid was unstarred
    Image of Gabbelgak Gabbelgak
    12/02/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: The people complaining are the people abusing it - which are numerous. I get 2 people per game usually abusing it if I try to play ground war.

    Screw the guys using this tactic, I've been using the xbox avoid feature on them for unsporting conduct from the first one I ran into.
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    Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation promoted this comment Gabbelgak was starred Gabbelgak was unstarred
    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/02/09

    @crazy.eye.kid: Yes, it is cheating. I said it and I'll say it again. It. Is. Cheating. Are campers annoying? Sure they are. But they're still operating within the rules in the game. They're just not exactly sporting. Modded controllers aren't fair, but there's usually not a whole lot that can be done about that. Even if it's the developer's fault that a glitch got left in a game, using it in competitive multi is cheating. It is and it always will be. The only difference here is that for once they're actually doing something about it. Breaking the game isn't playing fair. Period.
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    Image of Itochan Itochan
    12/02/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: While I understand what you are saying, the fact of the matter is that it's in the game. I think it's silly that a play could get banned for something that was built into the game, whether it is suppose to be there or not. They are acting like this is a super power granted to a single player, it's a glitch that anyone can take advantage of, and until it's fixed I think anyone should be able to do it.
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    Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation promoted this comment Itochan was starred Itochan was unstarred
    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/02/09

    @Itochan: If it was a permaban I might agree with you. However, this is a slap on the wrist, IW's way of saying "Don't do that, it's ruining the game for everyone else."
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    Image of Obrighm Obrighm
    12/02/09

    @crazy.eye.kid: Exploiting broken code to give you an edge over other players in ranked competitive matches is nothing short of cheating. I can't believe any of you people would even try and delude yourself to the contrary, much less that you actually believe that bullshit to the point you'll argue it with everyone else.

    The rules are the rules. You know damn well when you break them. People knew they were breaking them when they used superjumps in halo 2 to get to vantage points that weren't meant to be. All the time, that same argument. "It's in the game." What a load of crap.

    For that matter, if you either have to pull that garbage to win a match, or you care so much that a one day ban ruins your life, you need to just stop playing games. For your own good, and for everyone else's.
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    Image of shufflemoomin shufflemoomin
    12/03/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: Amen to that man.
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    Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation promoted this comment shufflemoomin was starred shufflemoomin was unstarred
    Image of PenguinJim PenguinJim
    12/03/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: Why not a message first saying "Don't do that, it's ruining the game for everyone else."?

    I don't own MW2, but it's ridiculous that if you do something in the game that is doable within the game mechanics, you can get BANNED for 24 hours?! As in, you will lose real money for doing it (as Gold costs real monies!).

    As I say, I don't own MW2, so maybe they've added a full explanation of what the exploit is, as well as a warning about what will happen if you do it, and this message is sent to every single person starting a multiplayer game before they play. In which case, OK. I'm an idiot and I'll shut up. But no warning? No fair. And your fault for releasing a bugged game - not the user's fault.
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    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/03/09

    @PenguinJim: Because only an idiot would believe in the first place that the devs would condone using glitches to get unfair advantages in competitive multiplayer, that's why.
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    12/03/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: How is it an "unfair advantage" if anyone can do it? It might make the game less fun, but it is definitely not cheating or placing anyone at a disadvantage. What is placing you at a disadvantage here is your own personal code of honor that keeps you from adopting the strategy, but that is not part of the game.
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    Image of PenguinJim PenguinJim
    12/03/09

    @Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation: But... you DIE.

    Only an idiot would believe that the devs would condone camping, IMO. Heck, I wouldn't condone shooting someone in the back (isn't it 'cheating' if they can't see you?). Warning people not to do this, or asking people not to do this, fine. Banning without warning first? Makes me less eager to buy the game.

    I'm not sure if you even know anything about this issue, Mister Jack, but if you look at how this 'exploit' works (SPOILER, I guess), you pull a pin out of a grenade and then explode when you die. If I found that out in the game, I wouldn't assume 'glitch'. I'd assume I'd pulled a pin out of a grenade and that it exploded when I died. And then to be banned for that if I didn't happen to browse some gaming blogs on the Internet that day? UNbelievable.

    Of course, as I said earlier, I'm assuming (hopefully wrongly) that there isn't a message warning you NOT to do this, and that this is a glitch, every time you start a multiplayer game.
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    Image of James Dator James Dator
    12/03/09

    @PenguinJim: That is a complete misrepresentation of this glitch. If you pull the pin and cook a grenade forever it will explode and kill you.

    This glitch is a super version of 'matyrdom' that ensures easy kills.

    Furthermore, 99.9% of players will never 'stumble' across this glitch. It involves a specific loadout, followed by a specific series of inputs and weapon swaps that would never normally be used in an online match.
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    Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation approved this comment James Dator was starred James Dator was unstarred
    Image of houkah houkah
    12/03/09

    @PenguinJim: You only have half of it. You start w/ the launcher, prime a grenade, then switch back to the launcher w/ the grenade primed. Since it's semtex it won't explode until u die. The explosion combines w/ the launcher somehow when u die to make an uber explosion similar to a predator missile. It's not as if it's some tiny explosion. Everyone in the vicinity (on the opposing team) will die. Oh and you don't even get a -1 for suiciding because someone else killed u already.
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    Image of Norbert Wagner III Norbert Wagner III
    12/03/09

    @Itochan: If there was a glitch in your bank account and someone went and abused it and took all your money, over and over and over again thats ok right? No one should get in trouble because the bank had that glitch in the system. You totally shouldn't get your money back. The guy abusing the glitch shouldn't get in trouble or anything, shouldn't have to pay the money back, ect. The logic behind your argument is flawed.
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    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/03/09

    @Zarkumo: It's unfair because A) not everyone knows about it in the first place because it wasn't intentionally built into the game and B) It completely invalidates almost any other weapon or strategy. It's a game breaker, pure and simple. If every single player in a game ran around doing this, what the hell is the fun in that? Of course, this glitch seems to depend on other people shooting you first, in which case it's just you (not YOU I mean) acting like a dick and taking advantage of the fact that they're playing fair. I have no sympathy for glitch users that get banned. They should know that abusing things like this in anything but a private game is frowned upon. If they don't by now, they need to learn the hard way.
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    Image of Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation Mister Jack started the Save The Lombax Foundation
    12/03/09

    @PenguinJim: What? I'm not sure if YOU even know anything about this issue. That isn't at all how the exploit works. That's just cooking a grenade for too long.
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