The robots/animals you destroyed/rescued were a metaphor of the dual nature of pop music. The robots themselves represent the supposed conformist nature of pop (trends, specific sounds, like boy bands) while the rescued animals represented the more free, expressive aspects of pop music (like Madonna and MJ).
The speed of Sonic the Hedgehog correlates with many acts' 15 minutes of fame. Live fast, die young.
Lastly, going back to the conformist nature of the pop music biz, Sonic 1's level order loosely follows a path from the fresh, free green areas of the Green Hill Zone to the autonomous factories of the Scrap Brain Zone. This would relate to a pop act as their dreams of grandeur were rampant at the beginning, but near the end they are just part of the machine.
Oh, and the original two game's soundtracks were of pop music composed by a major pop musician (Masato Nakamura).
It's the use of Stranger in Moscow in the credits that's the clincher.
Obviously the version that plays in the credits is a different arrangement, more upbeat, but it's undoubtedly the same song, unlike the other songs which just use familiar samples and chord structures.
There's also the fact that it appeared in Sonic 3 a good 2 years before it was released on HIStory.
The story (according to wikipedia) is he wrote the song in 1993 during his trouble with the Jordan Chandler court case. Incidentally the time when he would have been writing the tunes for Sonic 3.
Despite Buxer's claims that Michael was unhappy with the technology, I still think the real reason why his name was taken off the credits is because of the Chandler case. The fact that he settled out of court was seen as an admittance of guilt in some eyes. I'm sure, if he didn't decide it himself, Sega would have hinted to him that maybe it wasn't for the best to have his name on the game.
Instead it got credited to his producers, and Howard Drossin, who went on to finish the soundtrack for Sonic and Knuckles.
@Mentuss: There are severl other tunes that resemble some of his songs in Sonic 3, as well as parts of the mid-boss music that are very michael-esque.
I decided for myself a few years ago that he did work on the music for the game, but it was never confirmed because of the stigma attached to that first court case.
@Hamster Poop: Oh I agree there are several that SOUND like compositions by him, and hackers have even ripped the audio samples out of the game, only to find that they were taken directly from MJ tracks:
...But only the credits music sounds nigh-on identical, albeit with a more upbeat drumbeat.
Up until now, the rumour was although he HAD composed a previous version of the music, it was all replaced by sound-alike compositions after the Chandler case.
I never really bought that, in all honesty.
According to the credits, the composers for Sonic 3, in order (minus the Sega Sound Team, who were the programmers) are:
Brad Buxer
Bobby Brooks
Darryl Ross
Geoff Grace
Doug Grigsby III
Scirocco
(also, Howard Drossin, who supposedly wrote the music to Sonic and Knuckles, is included in the "Special Thanks" section)
Now if you do a quick bit of Google research on those 6 people, you'll find out that they are all collaborators and producers who have worked on Jackson's music.
What's more likely, in all honesty - they re-wrote all the music after Jackson left, or just used the same music, and credited it to his producers.
Yeah. Of course. He wasn't credited because he didn't like the result. NOT because SEGA didn't want anything to do with him while he was in court for child molestation. Yeah. That's the reason.
@willy626: Not stupid. IT's probably accurate. Sonic 3 came out while that first court case and the media circus was going on. If I was Sega, I would have distanced myself from him also, regardless of whether I tought he was guilty or just trying to be hosed for money.
Not liking the guy doesn't somehow excuse your not being clever at all. I'm glad you're defensive about having a star and all, but you really should have made a more clever comment.
@CommittedToExcellence: Maybe I should have put a rim shot emote on it or something? I really wasn't aiming for a Bill Hicks level of insight here and this thread isn't last comic standing so I don't know why your expectations are so high.
Simple. You have a star, therefore your insight was deemed more than a lame joke on more than one occasion. The expectations are there based on that. If you don't like it? Get unstarred or be more clever...seems easy.
@Pretty Sneaky Sis: i remember as a kid when sonic 3 first came out, my best friend always talked about how the music reminded him of michael jackson lol.
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I hate you more.
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Edit: Damned auto-promote...but anyway, I found that amount of hatred to be most impressive.
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TMZ is claiming he is in fact already dead.
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This may be a good thing.
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The robots/animals you destroyed/rescued were a metaphor of the dual nature of pop music. The robots themselves represent the supposed conformist nature of pop (trends, specific sounds, like boy bands) while the rescued animals represented the more free, expressive aspects of pop music (like Madonna and MJ).
The speed of Sonic the Hedgehog correlates with many acts' 15 minutes of fame. Live fast, die young.
Lastly, going back to the conformist nature of the pop music biz, Sonic 1's level order loosely follows a path from the fresh, free green areas of the Green Hill Zone to the autonomous factories of the Scrap Brain Zone. This would relate to a pop act as their dreams of grandeur were rampant at the beginning, but near the end they are just part of the machine.
Oh, and the original two game's soundtracks were of pop music composed by a major pop musician (Masato Nakamura).
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Even Mario wore gloves!
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Lies!
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All those shit-stains from repairing people's toilets and plumbing leave a long lasting smell that's hard to wash off.
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Obviously the version that plays in the credits is a different arrangement, more upbeat, but it's undoubtedly the same song, unlike the other songs which just use familiar samples and chord structures.
There's also the fact that it appeared in Sonic 3 a good 2 years before it was released on HIStory.
The story (according to wikipedia) is he wrote the song in 1993 during his trouble with the Jordan Chandler court case. Incidentally the time when he would have been writing the tunes for Sonic 3.
Despite Buxer's claims that Michael was unhappy with the technology, I still think the real reason why his name was taken off the credits is because of the Chandler case. The fact that he settled out of court was seen as an admittance of guilt in some eyes. I'm sure, if he didn't decide it himself, Sega would have hinted to him that maybe it wasn't for the best to have his name on the game.
Instead it got credited to his producers, and Howard Drossin, who went on to finish the soundtrack for Sonic and Knuckles.
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I decided for myself a few years ago that he did work on the music for the game, but it was never confirmed because of the stigma attached to that first court case.
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[sonicresearch.org]
(Check the "Sonic 3 Sample analysis" section)
...But only the credits music sounds nigh-on identical, albeit with a more upbeat drumbeat.
Up until now, the rumour was although he HAD composed a previous version of the music, it was all replaced by sound-alike compositions after the Chandler case.
I never really bought that, in all honesty.
According to the credits, the composers for Sonic 3, in order (minus the Sega Sound Team, who were the programmers) are:
Brad Buxer
Bobby Brooks
Darryl Ross
Geoff Grace
Doug Grigsby III
Scirocco
(also, Howard Drossin, who supposedly wrote the music to Sonic and Knuckles, is included in the "Special Thanks" section)
Now if you do a quick bit of Google research on those 6 people, you'll find out that they are all collaborators and producers who have worked on Jackson's music.
What's more likely, in all honesty - they re-wrote all the music after Jackson left, or just used the same music, and credited it to his producers.
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Janet Jackson's "Together Again"
Sonic the Hedgehog's "Bridge Zone" (Game Gear) and "Bridge Zone" (Genesis).
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simple fact is that jimmy jam and terry lewis produced janets track and mj and janet very rarely crossed over into one anothers work.
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What? Tell me your trolling or something, otherwise thats the most goddamn fucking stupid thing ive ever heard.
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`Dun, Dunna dunna, dun dun, Dunna, dun dun, dunna dun dun, OUCH!
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It reads a lot better than "YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY... A BLUE ERINACEINAE!"
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Not liking the guy doesn't somehow excuse your not being clever at all. I'm glad you're defensive about having a star and all, but you really should have made a more clever comment.
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Simple. You have a star, therefore your insight was deemed more than a lame joke on more than one occasion. The expectations are there based on that. If you don't like it? Get unstarred or be more clever...seems easy.
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Did he ever even play Moonwalker?
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