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    Image of David Wischmeier David Wischmeier
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    So does that make knuckles Tedo?
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    Image of Wess28 Wess28
    12/07/09

    @David Wischmeier: So that would make Doctor Robotnik based off of the evil Joe Jackson? And where does Blanket fit in to all this?
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    bigman88zz promoted this comment Edited by Wess28 at 12/07/09 7:22 AM Wess28 was starred Wess28 was unstarred
    Image of bigman88zz bigman88zz
    12/07/09

    @Wess28: blanket is a chao?
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    bigman88zz was starred bigman88zz was unstarred
    Image of Frank Frank
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    That could explain why some of Sonic's biggest fans are furries and people like Christian Weston Chandler.
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    Frank was starred Frank was unstarred
    Image of Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name. Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.
    12/07/09

    @Frank: You know that computer in I Have No Mouth And I Must scream that hates people to some ridiculous extent?

    I hate you more.
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    Furious_Liver promoted this comment Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name. was starred Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name. was unstarred
    Image of Furious_Liver Furious_Liver
    12/07/09

    @Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: Ouch...

    Edit: Damned auto-promote...but anyway, I found that amount of hatred to be most impressive.
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    Edited by Furious_Liver at 12/07/09 4:36 AM Furious_Liver was starred Furious_Liver was unstarred
    Image of Frank Frank
    12/09/09

    @Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.: Well, you're butthurt.
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    Frank was starred Frank was unstarred
    Image of Bayshun Bayshun
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    I tend to believe that Sonic actually inspired Michael Jackson.
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    Brian Ashcraft promoted this comment Bayshun was starred Bayshun was unstarred
    Image of Dick Socrates Dick Socrates
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    Reports just in that Sonic The Hedgehog has been rushed to hospital with suspected heart failure.

    TMZ is claiming he is in fact already dead.
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    Showmeyomoves! promoted this comment Dick Socrates was starred Dick Socrates was unstarred
    Image of Showmeyomoves! Showmeyomoves!
    12/07/09

    @Dick Socrates: TMZ isn't the only one.
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    Image of Superspecs Superspecs
    12/07/09

    @Dick Socrates: Recently announced comeback game cancelled.
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    CustomFirmware promoted this comment Superspecs was starred Superspecs was unstarred
    Image of CustomFirmware CustomFirmware
    12/07/09

    @Superspecs:

    This may be a good thing.
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    Image of Andrew Wyatt Andrew Wyatt
    12/07/09

    @Superspecs: As was the "behind the scenes" movie, "This Is It?".
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    Edited by Andrew Wyatt at 12/07/09 5:51 AM Andrew Wyatt was starred Andrew Wyatt was unstarred
    Image of Draftbaboon Draftbaboon
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    So, Sonic is just a metaphor for Pop music?
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    Draftbaboon was starred Draftbaboon was unstarred
    Image of emorottie emorottie
    12/07/09

    @Draftbaboon: Shit yeah.

    The robots/animals you destroyed/rescued were a metaphor of the dual nature of pop music. The robots themselves represent the supposed conformist nature of pop (trends, specific sounds, like boy bands) while the rescued animals represented the more free, expressive aspects of pop music (like Madonna and MJ).

    The speed of Sonic the Hedgehog correlates with many acts' 15 minutes of fame. Live fast, die young.

    Lastly, going back to the conformist nature of the pop music biz, Sonic 1's level order loosely follows a path from the fresh, free green areas of the Green Hill Zone to the autonomous factories of the Scrap Brain Zone. This would relate to a pop act as their dreams of grandeur were rampant at the beginning, but near the end they are just part of the machine.

    Oh, and the original two game's soundtracks were of pop music composed by a major pop musician (Masato Nakamura).
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    andrewwyatt promoted this comment emorottie was starred emorottie was unstarred
    Image of bigman88zz bigman88zz
    12/07/09

    @emorottie: nominated
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    bigman88zz was starred bigman88zz was unstarred
    Image of plasticmouse plasticmouse
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    The other MJ and Sonic similarity - they both went off the boil in their latter years. A sad, sad truth indeed.
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    Image of Jnas Jnas
    12/07/09

    In reply to Sonic's Shoes Inspired by Michael Jackson
    So THAT'S why he has white gloves...it all makes sense now.
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    Edited by Jnas at 12/07/09 3:26 AM Jnas was starred Jnas was unstarred
    Image of Killer Toilet Killer Toilet
    12/07/09

    @Jnas: Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny wore white gloves LONG before Sonic.

    Even Mario wore gloves!
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    Jnas promoted this comment Killer Toilet was starred Killer Toilet was unstarred
    Image of Jnas Jnas
    12/07/09

    @Killer Toilet:

    Lies!
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    Jnas was starred Jnas was unstarred
    Image of nrXic nrXic
    12/07/09

    @Killer Toilet: To be fair Mario's use of white gloves were far more practical than Mickey's or Bug's.

    All those shit-stains from repairing people's toilets and plumbing leave a long lasting smell that's hard to wash off.
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    Image of relatively_speaking relatively_speaking
    12/07/09

    @nrXic: but white? You're not winning any subtlety awards when your gloves stain every time you go to work.
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    nrXic promoted this comment relatively_speaking was starred relatively_speaking was unstarred
    Image of nrXic nrXic
    12/07/09

    @relatively_speaking: You gotta know when to wash them.
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    nrXic was starred nrXic was unstarred
    Image of Mentuss Mentuss
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    It's the use of Stranger in Moscow in the credits that's the clincher.

    Obviously the version that plays in the credits is a different arrangement, more upbeat, but it's undoubtedly the same song, unlike the other songs which just use familiar samples and chord structures.

    There's also the fact that it appeared in Sonic 3 a good 2 years before it was released on HIStory.

    The story (according to wikipedia) is he wrote the song in 1993 during his trouble with the Jordan Chandler court case. Incidentally the time when he would have been writing the tunes for Sonic 3.

    Despite Buxer's claims that Michael was unhappy with the technology, I still think the real reason why his name was taken off the credits is because of the Chandler case. The fact that he settled out of court was seen as an admittance of guilt in some eyes. I'm sure, if he didn't decide it himself, Sega would have hinted to him that maybe it wasn't for the best to have his name on the game.

    Instead it got credited to his producers, and Howard Drossin, who went on to finish the soundtrack for Sonic and Knuckles.
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    LilSpitfire promoted this comment Edited by Mentuss at 12/03/09 1:50 PM Mentuss was starred Mentuss was unstarred
    Image of Hamster Poop Hamster Poop
    12/03/09

    @Mentuss: There are severl other tunes that resemble some of his songs in Sonic 3, as well as parts of the mid-boss music that are very michael-esque.

    I decided for myself a few years ago that he did work on the music for the game, but it was never confirmed because of the stigma attached to that first court case.
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    LilSpitfire promoted this comment Hamster Poop was starred Hamster Poop was unstarred
    Image of Mentuss Mentuss
    12/03/09

    @Hamster Poop: Oh I agree there are several that SOUND like compositions by him, and hackers have even ripped the audio samples out of the game, only to find that they were taken directly from MJ tracks:

    [sonicresearch.org]

    (Check the "Sonic 3 Sample analysis" section)

    ...But only the credits music sounds nigh-on identical, albeit with a more upbeat drumbeat.

    Up until now, the rumour was although he HAD composed a previous version of the music, it was all replaced by sound-alike compositions after the Chandler case.

    I never really bought that, in all honesty.

    According to the credits, the composers for Sonic 3, in order (minus the Sega Sound Team, who were the programmers) are:

    Brad Buxer
    Bobby Brooks
    Darryl Ross
    Geoff Grace
    Doug Grigsby III
    Scirocco

    (also, Howard Drossin, who supposedly wrote the music to Sonic and Knuckles, is included in the "Special Thanks" section)

    Now if you do a quick bit of Google research on those 6 people, you'll find out that they are all collaborators and producers who have worked on Jackson's music.

    What's more likely, in all honesty - they re-wrote all the music after Jackson left, or just used the same music, and credited it to his producers.
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    LilSpitfire promoted this comment Mentuss was starred Mentuss was unstarred
    Image of spiderweb1986 spiderweb1986
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    I wish I could claim this as my own; I saw the links on Reddit.

    Janet Jackson's "Together Again"

    Sonic the Hedgehog's "Bridge Zone" (Game Gear) and "Bridge Zone" (Genesis).
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    spiderweb1986 was starred spiderweb1986 was unstarred
    Image of shouryuuken shouryuuken
    12/03/09

    @spiderweb1986: yeah theres totally something fishy going on, but i dont think mj had anything to do with that.

    simple fact is that jimmy jam and terry lewis produced janets track and mj and janet very rarely crossed over into one anothers work.
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    shouryuuken was starred shouryuuken was unstarred
    Image of CalicoBeard CalicoBeard
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    Yeah. Of course. He wasn't credited because he didn't like the result. NOT because SEGA didn't want anything to do with him while he was in court for child molestation. Yeah. That's the reason.
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    CalicoBeard was starred CalicoBeard was unstarred
    Image of willy626 willy626
    12/03/09

    @CalicoBeard:

    What? Tell me your trolling or something, otherwise thats the most goddamn fucking stupid thing ive ever heard.
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    willy626 was starred willy626 was unstarred
    Image of Hamster Poop Hamster Poop
    12/03/09

    @willy626: Not stupid. IT's probably accurate. Sonic 3 came out while that first court case and the media circus was going on. If I was Sega, I would have distanced myself from him also, regardless of whether I tought he was guilty or just trying to be hosed for money.
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    Showmeyomoves! promoted this comment Hamster Poop was starred Hamster Poop was unstarred
    Image of zåɳzißarleɠёпȡ zåɳzißarleɠёпȡ
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY, YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY, A BLUE MARSUPIAL.
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    zåɳzißarleɠёпȡ was starred zåɳzißarleɠёпȡ was unstarred
    Image of Shinta Shinta
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: oh my god lol.
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment Shinta was starred Shinta was unstarred
    Image of SurfingKoala35 SurfingKoala35
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: Ha ha.
    `Dun, Dunna dunna, dun dun, Dunna, dun dun, dunna dun dun, OUCH!
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment SurfingKoala35 was starred SurfingKoala35 was unstarred
    Image of orenn orenn
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: You are freaking awesome, haha
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment orenn was starred orenn was unstarred
    Image of Falsoman Falsoman
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: You just won my heart
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    Image of Detre Detre
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: i tried not to, but in the end i loled.
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment Detre was starred Detre was unstarred
    Image of Lawnmower16 Lawnmower16
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: I regrettably must point out that hedgehogs are not marsupials.
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    Lawnmower16 was starred Lawnmower16 was unstarred
    Image of Erinaceus Erinaceus
    12/03/09

    @Lawnmower16: Yeah... they're just common old rodents, but let him have his fun.

    It reads a lot better than "YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY... A BLUE ERINACEINAE!"
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment Erinaceus was starred Erinaceus was unstarred
    Image of Soniku Soniku
    12/03/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: Win.
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment Soniku was starred Soniku was unstarred
    Image of havokjv havokjv
    12/04/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: Nice one !
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    zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ promoted this comment havokjv was starred havokjv was unstarred
    Image of kingmanic kingmanic
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    I think MJ might have been happier working on mario? The SNES had a much better audio synthesizer.
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    BallPtPenTheif promoted this comment kingmanic was starred kingmanic was unstarred
    Image of BallPtPenTheif BallPtPenTheif
    12/03/09

    @kingmanic: And a larger audience with the kids.
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    BallPtPenTheif was starred BallPtPenTheif was unstarred
    Image of Hamster Poop Hamster Poop
    12/03/09

    @BallPtPenTheif: Way to take the high road with such a clever joke. You truly are deserving of that star.
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    BallPtPenTheif promoted this comment Hamster Poop was starred Hamster Poop was unstarred
    Image of BallPtPenTheif BallPtPenTheif
    12/03/09

    @Hamster Poop: Sorry, but not everybody is a fan of the guy. That's just life.
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    BallPtPenTheif was starred BallPtPenTheif was unstarred
    Image of CommittedToExcellence CommittedToExcellence
    12/04/09

    @BallPtPenTheif:

    Not liking the guy doesn't somehow excuse your not being clever at all. I'm glad you're defensive about having a star and all, but you really should have made a more clever comment.
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    BallPtPenTheif promoted this comment CommittedToExcellence was starred CommittedToExcellence was unstarred
    Image of BallPtPenTheif BallPtPenTheif
    12/04/09

    @CommittedToExcellence: Maybe I should have put a rim shot emote on it or something? I really wasn't aiming for a Bill Hicks level of insight here and this thread isn't last comic standing so I don't know why your expectations are so high.
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    BallPtPenTheif was starred BallPtPenTheif was unstarred
    Image of CommittedToExcellence CommittedToExcellence
    12/04/09

    @BallPtPenTheif:

    Simple. You have a star, therefore your insight was deemed more than a lame joke on more than one occasion. The expectations are there based on that. If you don't like it? Get unstarred or be more clever...seems easy.
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    CommittedToExcellence was starred CommittedToExcellence was unstarred
    Image of koreagle koreagle
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    lol come on Michael, the Genesis sound outputs not good enough for Sonic 3 but its good enough for Moonwalker? wtf
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    Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians. promoted this comment koreagle was starred koreagle was unstarred
    Image of Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians. Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians.
    12/03/09

    @koreagle:Moonwalker was a arcade game. Sega simply console ported it. If you ever played the arcade machine, the sound -VERY- good.
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    Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians. was starred Foxstar is in love with Kotaku's two Brians. was unstarred
    Image of Pretty Sneaky Sis Pretty Sneaky Sis
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    Did Mike work on this one too? Such a cool song.
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    Hey_Blinkon promoted this comment Pretty Sneaky Sis was starred Pretty Sneaky Sis was unstarred
    Image of Hey_Blinkon Hey_Blinkon
    12/03/09

    @Pretty Sneaky Sis: First song that popped into my mind too
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    Hey_Blinkon was starred Hey_Blinkon was unstarred
    Image of shouryuuken shouryuuken
    12/03/09

    @Pretty Sneaky Sis: i remember as a kid when sonic 3 first came out, my best friend always talked about how the music reminded him of michael jackson lol.
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    shouryuuken was starred shouryuuken was unstarred
    Image of AlucardsQuest AlucardsQuest
    12/03/09

    In reply to Yes, Michael Jackson Did Work On Sonic The Hedgehog 3
    "He did not want to be associated with a product that devalued his music..."

    Did he ever even play Moonwalker?
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    Koztah promoted this comment AlucardsQuest was starred AlucardsQuest was unstarred
    Image of Koztah Koztah
    12/03/09

    @AlucardsQuest: More importantly, did he watch Moonwalker, the movie he starred in that the game is based on?
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