*Caution: Possibler spoilers on my vid* I really enjoyed the Metroid Prime universe. I really wish we would get a new one for the Wii, one more focused on federation troopers instead of Samus. Kinda like Halo ODST, I would like to fight space pirates from the perspective of GFC soldiers. Their suits were really cool, I reckon. Maybe even... online, perhaps? #metroid
@Shiryu: Yeah I agree I really like the Metroid universe but it feels all too contained to Samus's perspective. I think my favorite of the Prime series was Corruption because it opened things up a lot more. #metroid
@Shiryu: I second this motion. That would be so, so awesome.
That or the ability to play as another hunter in the game in the same way you could in Hunters, but with the kind of controls seen in corruption. A story mode from another perspective, or multiple perspectives. #metroid
@Shiryu: I dunno, I thought all the secondary characters in the Metroid Prime series were kinda bland. I loved the total solitude of the first Metroid Prime (and Super Metroid). Samus-only would be the way to go for me. #metroid
@singing pigs in elevators: Yeah, most of the other hunters in MP3 and MPH aren't very interesting, design-wise. That said, if the developers could do it properly, I'd like to see a Metroid game that explores the Metroid universe outside of Samus's adventures. #metroid
@RockyRan: I do not own a 360. =) It has great games for sure, but I do not trust the hardware... =\ But I want to see more of the Metroid Universe, not just New Mombassa. =)
@singing pigs in elevators: Did you play Metroid Prime Echoes? I would have liked to play as a GFC soldier after their ship crashed on Aether. Wouldn't that be awesome!? =D
I'd rather just get a 2D one. The DS prime game would have been much more enjoyable if I couldn't actively feel myself developing carpal tunnel while I was playing it. #metroid
@Maxyboy13: if the day comes that Metroid Dread is released, I will eat my hat.
Which won't be so bad because I'll be playing Metroid Dread.
New Slogan: Eat a Hat for Metroid Sidescrollers! #metroid
@Hey_Blinkon: They should only try switching platformer franchises to RPGs if they're absolutely certain they won't suck. Otherwise, just give me a 2D or 3D Metroid (or better yet, "2.5 D" like Shadow Complex).
Mario RPG and its offspring have been good, but even Bioware couldn't pull off a Sonic RPG. That's saying something.
Kane is an interesting case. There was a lot of controversy when the film came out and RKO nearly lost their shirt and barely covered its costs. It also didn't help that WR Hearst tried to force the film to be shelved.
I don't see that sort of controversy around Metroid, though. It's great but not Kane great.
I still hold that the greatest video game of all time is SMB3
They want a citizen kane of gaming? Get a game that's got a lot of good features, has set the pace for gaming and introduces techniques that are forever used by game devs and designs then that's the citzen kane.
Also if you really really want it to be like citizen kane then it mostly must flop due to its innovativeness and sort of panned but people discover its technical greatness much later.
If a analogous game exists, it's probably a much older game.
If it doesn't exist, then we just need to wait. A comparison like this can't actually be made until it is no longer current. You need to look back to compare them, not say "I think this is similar" and assume that the public opinion will be the same after, especially when something like that would need to inspire other game makers, leading to a change in the industry. That doesn't just happen overnight.
And, with so many genres, you can probably point to at least one game per genre that's comparable, if not more. FPS games have both Doom and, depending on who you're a fan of, Halo/Half Life. Action/Adventure/Stealth games owe a lot to Metal Gear Solid, as do many other types of games.
The point being, there may not just be one, and a truly comparable game probably won't actually come out for years. I think in the mad rush to develop the industry and the fact that people like to borrow from other industries that have been around longer, we forget how new the gaming industry is, and despite the fact that right now, the Xbox and the PS3 are pushing the limits of what can be done, they're going to be remembered the same way we remember black and white Silent films now. We'll get our "talkies", our "Citizen Kane". Somewhere along the line, we'll eventually get our own "Stanley Kubrick". But right now, we're still finding our identity as an industry.
My personal "Citizen Kane of Video Games" is either Shadow of the Colossus or MGS3.
Where Shadow of the Colossus was experience like no other, MGS3 was a game that perfected storytelling in video games and provided dozens of memorable in-game moments.
@elmorepow:
I think my Citizen Kane of Video Games would have to be MGS1. It FOREVER changed my expectations of what a game should be, how a video game can tell a superb story and have groundbreaking action, stealth atmosphere, production values and emotional engagement with the characters.
I think for me there was a "before MGS1", and an "After MGS1".
That and it was the first game to ever make me cry (Sniper Wolf's death among others)
MGS3 come very close, and even surpasses MGS1 in terms of sheer emotional involvement (cf The ending), but MGS1 wins because it came out first; it pioneered all of this.
GTA3, Super Mario Bros, Tetris, GT1 get honourable mentions.
@Animaitor: Not to agree or disagree with anyone, but what would you consider the "Citizen Kane of games" then? You can't just say that something isn't. The argument against the Metroid Prime saga will be complete when you provide an opposing example.
I would say Metroid Prime would be too popular a series to be considered the "Citizen Kane" of gaming. Understand that while critics and art students praise the film, it is ancient and few people have actually watched the thing. The problem is it's so universally praised that anyone feels foolish to question it's status. It's kind of like the emperor's new clothes deal.
Since MP has actually been played by the youth of america and anti-nintendo fanboys question it's status as a fantastic title on a regular basis it can't be the CK of gaming. Quite frankly nothing can as the medium is too young.
I would predict that psyconaughts will be the CK of gaming in the future as seemingly nobody bought the thing and yet nobody has anything bad to say about it.
Btw this in no way reflects the actual quality of the games. In terms of quality MP could be considered of the best if not THE best series of all time. But that wasn't the question asked now was it? ;)
How the hell are you going to compare the greatest film of all time, which in turn is also one of the most compelling character studies in all of film....to a video game where the protagonist HAS ZERO character development....let alone NOT A SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE.
Part of what made Citizen Kane so fascinating was Charles Foster Kane's descent from an idealistic young newspaper tycoon...to a sad old man who loses everything and dies alone. Seeing a man change like that (made convincing by the fantastic make up and Welles' acting) are like looking into the abyss.
Seriously....this conversation pisses me off....video game people are so unsure of our medium, that we are constantly trying to compare the best of our medium to a completely different medium. Its a total apple and oranges situation. Why can't our good games be praised for being just that....good games? Why is it that every time someone tries to make an argument that some game is 'the greatest game ever,' that we have to equate it to something from a completely different medium?
@FarmboyinJapan: I would argue that things like character development and dialogue are less important to the medium than to film. Video games are an interactive medium and the game that explores the full implications of that interactivity is going to be the "Citizen Kane" of the medium. You can't measure the impact of the game by trying to compare it to a film.
@bobtheduck: But it's very possible to have a game evolving in story without any dialogue present.
I can't comment on the "Citizen Kane" comparison, as I haven't personally seen the film, but I think that there's more to these games than just the action, even if the characters don't speak. The fact that the person you are controlling doesn't speak actually helps massively with the immersion, as it's rather jarring when you're told explicitly "THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL AT THIS POINT". I think that allows you to distance yourself from the events somewhat and react the way you feel is right, not how "your character" does. Another example that does this fantastically is the Half-Life 2 games.
Of course, with films you're already distanced as you're not directly controlling any of the characters' actions, so it's much easier to find a movie which people loved for the storyline than it is a game. But I think that there are a few games which do have the power to tell stories, and tell them well.
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That or the ability to play as another hunter in the game in the same way you could in Hunters, but with the kind of controls seen in corruption. A story mode from another perspective, or multiple perspectives. #metroid
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We NEED something new, guys! #metroid
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@(Starman) Starman: How about a crossover, it could be fun ^_^ #metroid
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/speaks in Lewis voice
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@(Starman) Starman: Alright then, how about a different kind of crossover (^_~) #metroid
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@Curse lily: Aww no fair, you're leaving Princess Peach out of all the action! That's no fun. :(
Also, I'd be expecting a different kind of crossover from YOUR picture, actually. ;P
And yay for me for finding this crossover!
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Which won't be so bad because I'll be playing Metroid Dread.
New Slogan: Eat a Hat for Metroid Sidescrollers! #metroid
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I keep waiting... #metroid
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And I just pictured it with 3d sprites and backgrounds, and no longer want them to try. #metroid
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Mario RPG and its offspring have been good, but even Bioware couldn't pull off a Sonic RPG. That's saying something.
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I don't see that sort of controversy around Metroid, though. It's great but not Kane great.
I still hold that the greatest video game of all time is SMB3
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Also if you really really want it to be like citizen kane then it mostly must flop due to its innovativeness and sort of panned but people discover its technical greatness much later.
I doubt it's the Metroid Prime Trilogy.
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If it doesn't exist, then we just need to wait. A comparison like this can't actually be made until it is no longer current. You need to look back to compare them, not say "I think this is similar" and assume that the public opinion will be the same after, especially when something like that would need to inspire other game makers, leading to a change in the industry. That doesn't just happen overnight.
And, with so many genres, you can probably point to at least one game per genre that's comparable, if not more. FPS games have both Doom and, depending on who you're a fan of, Halo/Half Life. Action/Adventure/Stealth games owe a lot to Metal Gear Solid, as do many other types of games.
The point being, there may not just be one, and a truly comparable game probably won't actually come out for years. I think in the mad rush to develop the industry and the fact that people like to borrow from other industries that have been around longer, we forget how new the gaming industry is, and despite the fact that right now, the Xbox and the PS3 are pushing the limits of what can be done, they're going to be remembered the same way we remember black and white Silent films now. We'll get our "talkies", our "Citizen Kane". Somewhere along the line, we'll eventually get our own "Stanley Kubrick". But right now, we're still finding our identity as an industry.
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Where Shadow of the Colossus was experience like no other, MGS3 was a game that perfected storytelling in video games and provided dozens of memorable in-game moments.
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I think my Citizen Kane of Video Games would have to be MGS1. It FOREVER changed my expectations of what a game should be, how a video game can tell a superb story and have groundbreaking action, stealth atmosphere, production values and emotional engagement with the characters.
I think for me there was a "before MGS1", and an "After MGS1".
That and it was the first game to ever make me cry (Sniper Wolf's death among others)
MGS3 come very close, and even surpasses MGS1 in terms of sheer emotional involvement (cf The ending), but MGS1 wins because it came out first; it pioneered all of this.
GTA3, Super Mario Bros, Tetris, GT1 get honourable mentions.
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Far from it...
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Since MP has actually been played by the youth of america and anti-nintendo fanboys question it's status as a fantastic title on a regular basis it can't be the CK of gaming. Quite frankly nothing can as the medium is too young.
I would predict that psyconaughts will be the CK of gaming in the future as seemingly nobody bought the thing and yet nobody has anything bad to say about it.
Btw this in no way reflects the actual quality of the games. In terms of quality MP could be considered of the best if not THE best series of all time. But that wasn't the question asked now was it? ;)
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HOW can one possibly make this connection?
How the hell are you going to compare the greatest film of all time, which in turn is also one of the most compelling character studies in all of film....to a video game where the protagonist HAS ZERO character development....let alone NOT A SINGLE LINE OF DIALOGUE.
Part of what made Citizen Kane so fascinating was Charles Foster Kane's descent from an idealistic young newspaper tycoon...to a sad old man who loses everything and dies alone. Seeing a man change like that (made convincing by the fantastic make up and Welles' acting) are like looking into the abyss.
Seriously....this conversation pisses me off....video game people are so unsure of our medium, that we are constantly trying to compare the best of our medium to a completely different medium. Its a total apple and oranges situation. Why can't our good games be praised for being just that....good games? Why is it that every time someone tries to make an argument that some game is 'the greatest game ever,' that we have to equate it to something from a completely different medium?
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Some of us are into games for more than just interesting mechanics.
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I can't comment on the "Citizen Kane" comparison, as I haven't personally seen the film, but I think that there's more to these games than just the action, even if the characters don't speak. The fact that the person you are controlling doesn't speak actually helps massively with the immersion, as it's rather jarring when you're told explicitly "THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL AT THIS POINT". I think that allows you to distance yourself from the events somewhat and react the way you feel is right, not how "your character" does. Another example that does this fantastically is the Half-Life 2 games.
Of course, with films you're already distanced as you're not directly controlling any of the characters' actions, so it's much easier to find a movie which people loved for the storyline than it is a game. But I think that there are a few games which do have the power to tell stories, and tell them well.