@phicaluk: No, it just was a very poor joke on your part. Completely random, not well-thought-out, kinda ended suddenly, thought there'd at least be a reason after. #reospeedwagon
@Rez_Stevens: I'm sure ComplicitOwl will be along to criticise the quality of your comments the next time you post something vaguely uncomplimentary about a mediocre 70s soft-rock band. #reospeedwagon
This is going to go awesomely with those classic arcade game Zippos from yesterday. Wait, no it won't, I can't stand the Speedwagon. How about a Rush game based on 2112 instead?
And I don't think this is said enough, if at all -- Luke, thanks for continuing to be the best g'd'mn music-oriented video game reporter in the industry. Even if you do have to bring us bad news from time to time. (They can't all be about Hawkwind coming to Rock Band, I guess.)
@Tanneseph: But when you have a pun brewing up you just cant fight this feeling. You have keep pushin, but eventually you can't n got to makea pun.
anyway time for me to fly. #reospeedwagon
@deanbmmv: I'm sure you think the pun makes a nice tribute to a band you love..... but that ain't love, deanbmmv. I believe you've got the wrong emotion.
At least, it doesn't feel like love to me...... #reospeedwagon
I'm going to close this window now, and re-open it when I'm at work, becuase clearly, I'm still half asleep. I couldn't have read that REO Speedwagon is releasing a "hidden object adventure game". That thar be the stuff of a weary subconscious.
Unless you guys are doing your April Fools shopping early... #reospeedwagon
You know, I think it'd be interesting if consumers could update their purchase price. For example, I could buy the game at .01 cent, try it out, and if I want to, I can later pay a higher price that would cancel out the first purchase price. #worldofgoo
@KichiGuy: I don't think there's anything stopping you donating some cash to him after the event.
Heck I'm sure most developers won't mind you sending some extra cash donations for their games. #worldofgoo
I don't like this pay-what-you-can structure. It forces me to consider this for-profit company as a charity. They aren't a charity.
Set a price. If people buy it, great. If not, lower your price.
I don't want to feel like a freeloader. I also don't want to feel like a chump. I'm not sure if the consumer has the information to not feel like one or the other here.
These guys made the game, they know how much work went into it. They know how much money they need to earn to keep the lights on. I don't.
I didn't like it when Radiohead did it either. It made that record seem less valuable for some reason, knowing that they were giving it away.
@Brodka: Wow. I've never seen somebody get angry from being able to pay whatever you want. They did this as a experiment. Just to test the waters to see what will happened. And in the end, they made a nice chunk of money for little work. Which is sweet for a game that's a year old.
All your problems seem to be personal. It's okay! They're just doing a social experiment. No need to think too deeply about it. :) #worldofgoo
@Cpryd001: And you still haven't. Believe it or not, you can not like something without being angry about it.
Additionally, I'm speaking about this general practice, not necessarily this game. Truth be told, I couldn't care less about this particular game. I did not buy it. I don't like to game on my Macbook, so I simply had no interest in it regardless of the price.
However, you basically validated my point when you said it was a "social experiment." That's precisely what I don't like about it. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: Is it that you don't like being part of a testing circle? You already refused to be part of it by not participating. I still don't see what makes to be upset if you aren't a part of it.
I dabble in improv comedy, and social experiments is all I do. To constantly test what society lets us get away with. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: I'm trying to figure out where you stand in the world. Are you the rigid type who don't negotiate prices? Who follow laws to the tee and doesn't like change?
I'm not trying to attack you at all. I've just never seen your type before. #worldofgoo
@Cpryd001: I hate squeaky wheels getting the grease. I hate that in this case, cheap bastards get a better deal than those who pay a "fair price." Sure. In general, I dislike any system that rewards boorishness, selfishness, or callousness.
That can hardly make me unusual. I actually think (hope) that makes me a typical American.
Again, this is not a charity. Yet they are acting like one. To me, it feels like a guilt trip. I'm not upset about it. I just don't [b]like[/b] it. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: Lol man, just lol. You're complaining that they gave you the option to pay as much or little as you like?
They've done the full price bit, the 50% off . Now they're picking up the stragglers, and probably torrenters, and getting a dollar to two for it. It's no skin of their back - these are copies what wouldn't have been sold otherwise.
When Coldplay released LeftRightLeft for free I didn't think "Oh no, I'm ripping these guys off" I thought, "hey, cool - free album". #worldofgoo
@Steed123: And I thought, "who gives a shit" because Coldplay blows, but that's neither here nor there.
Why didn't they just sell it for a dollar or two then?
What I don't like about it has very little to do with me and how much I'm going to pay for it. What I don't like is how cheap assholes get rewarded for being cheap assholes. The system REWARDS being cheap. I find that inherently distasteful. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: "Why didn't they just sell it for a dollar or two then? "
Sounds like you have a very clear definition of what the game is worth to you. Pull out your wallet and be done with this. If it continues any further you need to bring some cheese to the table too. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: I dunno, I think you're making something terrible out of a non-issue.
No one is being rewarded here. Using your logic, if someone was, as antithisis to 'cheap bastard', a 'rich idiot' then they could indulge in paying £200 for the game, and then have that smug feeling that no one else paid as much as they - ego inflating goodness all round. The rich idiot gets his reward for being a rich idiot.
The only thing the 'cheap bastards' got was a quality game (that they might otherwise have not bought, or just torrented) at a very low price - a price equivelent to Ebay, or the bargain bin at your local games shop.
They havn't ripped anyone off. Even if you paid 1p, that probably 1p that the devs wouln't have got otherwise.
The only evil with this sale was that full price, on release purchasers get kinda nerfed. #worldofgoo
@Puffs: I already said I'm not interested in the game. It's worth nothing to me. I was responding to Steed123's comment about the developer using this stunt to try and get a couple more bucks out of the game.
Look at the rest of the comment threads. There are people feeling the need to justify paying a penny. There's a guy saying he would have paid $5 but ended up paying $10 "to make up for all the $.01 people."
Why should some nice person feel compelled to pay more than they initially thought was reasonable?
This really isn't that big of a deal. I just don't like it. I don't like a pricing structure that simply says: the cheaper you are, the less you pay. It is the Jewish Mother of pricing structures. I don't want to feel sorry for a developer.
We are conditioned to look for the best prices on things. Sales, promotions, buy 2 get one free, etc. If I walk into a game shop and insist on paying more than the marked price for something, I'm an idiot.
Upthread, I'm apparently an idiot for owning a mac (implying I paid too much). This turns that completely upside down. Here we are patting each other on the back over who got the worst deal.
I think far odder than my take on this is the fact that over a dozen people (you included) felt compelled to tell me I'm wrong. As if I could possibly be wrong about my own likes and dislikes. #worldofgoo
@Brodka: You're not wrong about your own likes and dislikes, but you are certainly wrong when you say "This really isn't that big of a deal. I just don't like it." You do know you don't have to: open a thread you don't want to, read a post you don't want to, buy a game you don't want to, reply to a post you don't think is a big deal. Lol, I'm just sayin'. #worldofgoo
@colewheeler: I paid $5, which it was totally worth. And if we're going to do this, let's compare it to the stats on the chart -- I'm on PC, USA. #worldofgoo
I find the operating system difference intriguing. You see that frame of mind in all the threads about game pricing and whether Live/PSN/features/etc. should be free and DLC prices, this sort of disconnect between wants and desires and realities.
I find this interesting as a case study. Someone should do some research.
Here are my theories:
1. Simply, it could partially be that, indeed, macs ARE more expensive, and the people using them have more disposable income.
2. Macs are also more commonly used by urban hippie liberals like me who are less likely to screw people over for a couple bucks and to help out the little guy. Studies show that conservatives tend to generously give more money directly to charities - like churches and the Red Cross, and liberals tend to use or "donate" their money nmore often by spending more in what they feel are "worthy" places or will spend the extra $2 to buy from a local seller than a Wal-mart, for example. This would fit that theory.
3. It could also be that since there are fewer games for Mac, we're willing to spend money to get quality ones and show support for products in hopes of getting more. (I fall into that camp.)
4. PC gamers are used to getting stuff for free and are less inclined to feel weird about pirating or downloading music/games/content. We've seen that repeated throughout the last 20 years. (See any thread regarding pricing of DLC or DRM policies in the past year for evidence.) This would fit that mold too. #worldofgoo
@lionkitten: With linux giving a general more amount than a mac user, would you say that since they're using a FREE os, they have more disposable income? It doesnt map onto your discussion about MAC/PC disposable income at all. If that were true, the linux users would be paying the least amount.. #worldofgoo
@lionkitten: I completely agree with 1 and 2, I'm somehow doubtful on 3, but I disagree with 4: piracy on Macs does exist too.
Maybe not as much as I think (no serial number/activation when you install Mac OS X, and Apple seems OK with that), but if you want to pirate on OS X, you sure as hell can. #worldofgoo
@lionkitten: I love point 4.
So much generalisation.
Because Azerus doens't work on Macs? 360, PSP, DS, Wii piracy doesn't exist?
Point 3 is kinda a good one. But too bad Apple ain't listening or they'd make an attempt to get Games on the Mac. #worldofgoo
@deanbmmv: Azureus does work on macs. Piracy exists on every platform that it's possible on, but we all know that it's most rampant on PC. And from the behavior of PC gamers on this site and others, I can definitely come to the conclusion that PC gamers feel entitled to getting free stuff. None of that was generalization, it's the truth. #worldofgoo
@Placentasaurus: I know Azerues works on Mac's that why I used it as an example.
And you can sod off with your generalisations. Honest the console gamers on this site have started getting too far up their own arses the past few weeks.
"oh you guys want community maps, well you should pay like we do cos we know no better"
"oh you want an expansion not a high priced full game, well we can't have expansions on consoles, so you'll have to make do"
"$60, well we pay that cos of licensing and stuff so you should too"
It's annoying, and it reflects badly on other console gamers.
Also oddly enough most PC gamers game on consoles too. Shock Horror. #worldofgoo
I watched a co-worker (who pirated the game) play for about 5 minutes.
I decided it was not worth my time, let alone my money. But the fact that so many people have abused their generosity is truly disheartening. #worldofgoo
@ThirzaLepidus:
How much would you pay for a Mercedes?
Anything you want $0.01 up to $1million+
Human nature dictates that you'll pay as low as you can.
It's why there's an RRP on stuff.
If I was him I wouldn't be surprised at the folks who paid only 1cent, but the folks who paid more than that. #worldofgoo
@deanbmmv: Honestly, if someone offered me a brand new Mercedes and told me "Pay what you think it's worth" I'd tell them to take it somewhere else, because I can't afford what I think it's worth.
And yes, I know it's in human nature to be greedy. (Self-interest behavior I think it's called in Psychology) And I'm not saying I'm surprised in the least, I'm just saying it's disheartening that the overall average is so low.
Just because I'm not interested in the game, doesn't mean other people won't enjoy it. I don't like rhythm games, but do I think that means everyone should pirate them or steal them? No. If I did enjoy the game however, I would certainly be willing to pay what I believed it to be worth. And I would certainly say it's worth more than $0.01 if you were to get even 1 minute of enjoyment out of it. #worldofgoo
I think this was mentioned in the previous post about this topic, about people picking up a 2nd copy for a different system. Maybe US gamers had purchased their copies at regular retail price and we're just now picking up their backup copies on the cheap for a different system.
What is an acceptable price point if you already owned it on one system? If you paid $20 for one system, and you paid $.01 for the 2nd copy. You still average $10.005 per copy...
Not that this is necessarily what happened, and it surely wasn't every case, but it's something to consider before we all feel bad for misrepresenting (or not representing, as I did not participate in the sale) our country. #worldofgoo
@ChickenPawks: Errm. Steam you just log in to your other PC and download it. No need to re-buy it for your second system.
Though Wii gamers getting it for PC I can understand. But you didn't mention Wii just "system" so I'm gonna assume you meant PC. #worldofgoo
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You may be telling the truth, but the game will still be a joke. #reospeedwagon
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And I don't think this is said enough, if at all -- Luke, thanks for continuing to be the best g'd'mn music-oriented video game reporter in the industry. Even if you do have to bring us bad news from time to time. (They can't all be about Hawkwind coming to Rock Band, I guess.)
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anyway time for me to fly. #reospeedwagon
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At least, it doesn't feel like love to me...... #reospeedwagon
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Unless you guys are doing your April Fools shopping early... #reospeedwagon
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Hey look! Porn! You guys are all right! #reospeedwagon
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I'm thinking it's midgets. It's midgets, right? It's midgets. #reospeedwagon
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Heck I'm sure most developers won't mind you sending some extra cash donations for their games. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
Set a price. If people buy it, great. If not, lower your price.
I don't want to feel like a freeloader. I also don't want to feel like a chump. I'm not sure if the consumer has the information to not feel like one or the other here.
These guys made the game, they know how much work went into it. They know how much money they need to earn to keep the lights on. I don't.
I didn't like it when Radiohead did it either. It made that record seem less valuable for some reason, knowing that they were giving it away.
/rant #worldofgoo
10/28/09
All your problems seem to be personal. It's okay! They're just doing a social experiment. No need to think too deeply about it. :) #worldofgoo
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Additionally, I'm speaking about this general practice, not necessarily this game. Truth be told, I couldn't care less about this particular game. I did not buy it. I don't like to game on my Macbook, so I simply had no interest in it regardless of the price.
However, you basically validated my point when you said it was a "social experiment." That's precisely what I don't like about it. #worldofgoo
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And I'm not angry about it. I just don't like it. Like how I don't like ranch dressing. I'm not angry about that either. #worldofgoo
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I dabble in improv comedy, and social experiments is all I do. To constantly test what society lets us get away with. #worldofgoo
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I'm not trying to attack you at all. I've just never seen your type before. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
That can hardly make me unusual. I actually think (hope) that makes me a typical American.
Again, this is not a charity. Yet they are acting like one. To me, it feels like a guilt trip. I'm not upset about it. I just don't [b]like[/b] it. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
They've done the full price bit, the 50% off . Now they're picking up the stragglers, and probably torrenters, and getting a dollar to two for it. It's no skin of their back - these are copies what wouldn't have been sold otherwise.
When Coldplay released LeftRightLeft for free I didn't think "Oh no, I'm ripping these guys off" I thought, "hey, cool - free album". #worldofgoo
10/28/09
Why didn't they just sell it for a dollar or two then?
What I don't like about it has very little to do with me and how much I'm going to pay for it. What I don't like is how cheap assholes get rewarded for being cheap assholes. The system REWARDS being cheap. I find that inherently distasteful. #worldofgoo
10/29/09
Sounds like you have a very clear definition of what the game is worth to you. Pull out your wallet and be done with this. If it continues any further you need to bring some cheese to the table too. #worldofgoo
10/29/09
No one is being rewarded here. Using your logic, if someone was, as antithisis to 'cheap bastard', a 'rich idiot' then they could indulge in paying £200 for the game, and then have that smug feeling that no one else paid as much as they - ego inflating goodness all round. The rich idiot gets his reward for being a rich idiot.
The only thing the 'cheap bastards' got was a quality game (that they might otherwise have not bought, or just torrented) at a very low price - a price equivelent to Ebay, or the bargain bin at your local games shop.
They havn't ripped anyone off. Even if you paid 1p, that probably 1p that the devs wouln't have got otherwise.
The only evil with this sale was that full price, on release purchasers get kinda nerfed. #worldofgoo
10/29/09
Look at the rest of the comment threads. There are people feeling the need to justify paying a penny. There's a guy saying he would have paid $5 but ended up paying $10 "to make up for all the $.01 people."
Why should some nice person feel compelled to pay more than they initially thought was reasonable?
This really isn't that big of a deal. I just don't like it. I don't like a pricing structure that simply says: the cheaper you are, the less you pay. It is the Jewish Mother of pricing structures. I don't want to feel sorry for a developer.
We are conditioned to look for the best prices on things. Sales, promotions, buy 2 get one free, etc. If I walk into a game shop and insist on paying more than the marked price for something, I'm an idiot.
Upthread, I'm apparently an idiot for owning a mac (implying I paid too much). This turns that completely upside down. Here we are patting each other on the back over who got the worst deal.
I think far odder than my take on this is the fact that over a dozen people (you included) felt compelled to tell me I'm wrong. As if I could possibly be wrong about my own likes and dislikes. #worldofgoo
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Any others want to share their purchase price if they took advantage? #worldofgoo
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I'm sorry but these words, they don't belong one hundred imperial miles of each other. #worldofgoo
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What do I win? #worldofgoo
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France surrenders. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
I find this interesting as a case study. Someone should do some research.
Here are my theories:
1. Simply, it could partially be that, indeed, macs ARE more expensive, and the people using them have more disposable income.
2. Macs are also more commonly used by urban hippie liberals like me who are less likely to screw people over for a couple bucks and to help out the little guy. Studies show that conservatives tend to generously give more money directly to charities - like churches and the Red Cross, and liberals tend to use or "donate" their money nmore often by spending more in what they feel are "worthy" places or will spend the extra $2 to buy from a local seller than a Wal-mart, for example. This would fit that theory.
3. It could also be that since there are fewer games for Mac, we're willing to spend money to get quality ones and show support for products in hopes of getting more. (I fall into that camp.)
4. PC gamers are used to getting stuff for free and are less inclined to feel weird about pirating or downloading music/games/content. We've seen that repeated throughout the last 20 years. (See any thread regarding pricing of DLC or DRM policies in the past year for evidence.) This would fit that mold too. #worldofgoo
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Maybe not as much as I think (no serial number/activation when you install Mac OS X, and Apple seems OK with that), but if you want to pirate on OS X, you sure as hell can. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
So much generalisation.
Because Azerus doens't work on Macs? 360, PSP, DS, Wii piracy doesn't exist?
Point 3 is kinda a good one. But too bad Apple ain't listening or they'd make an attempt to get Games on the Mac. #worldofgoo
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And you can sod off with your generalisations. Honest the console gamers on this site have started getting too far up their own arses the past few weeks.
"oh you guys want community maps, well you should pay like we do cos we know no better"
"oh you want an expansion not a high priced full game, well we can't have expansions on consoles, so you'll have to make do"
"$60, well we pay that cos of licensing and stuff so you should too"
It's annoying, and it reflects badly on other console gamers.
Also oddly enough most PC gamers game on consoles too. Shock Horror. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
I decided it was not worth my time, let alone my money. But the fact that so many people have abused their generosity is truly disheartening. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
How much would you pay for a Mercedes?
Anything you want $0.01 up to $1million+
Human nature dictates that you'll pay as low as you can.
It's why there's an RRP on stuff.
If I was him I wouldn't be surprised at the folks who paid only 1cent, but the folks who paid more than that. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
And yes, I know it's in human nature to be greedy. (Self-interest behavior I think it's called in Psychology) And I'm not saying I'm surprised in the least, I'm just saying it's disheartening that the overall average is so low.
@MajorNewbie:
Just because I'm not interested in the game, doesn't mean other people won't enjoy it. I don't like rhythm games, but do I think that means everyone should pirate them or steal them? No. If I did enjoy the game however, I would certainly be willing to pay what I believed it to be worth. And I would certainly say it's worth more than $0.01 if you were to get even 1 minute of enjoyment out of it. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
What is an acceptable price point if you already owned it on one system? If you paid $20 for one system, and you paid $.01 for the 2nd copy. You still average $10.005 per copy...
Not that this is necessarily what happened, and it surely wasn't every case, but it's something to consider before we all feel bad for misrepresenting (or not representing, as I did not participate in the sale) our country. #worldofgoo
10/28/09
Though Wii gamers getting it for PC I can understand. But you didn't mention Wii just "system" so I'm gonna assume you meant PC. #worldofgoo