Yeah, certainly could be so much worse. :) While not a huge fan...I certainly tap my toe when they are on the radio. Certainly currently, I don't think any Canadian artist is selling more music. I'd personally like Alexisonfire, but I'd take the Hip or Rush. :)
@Curse_Lily: Jesus Christ I remember singing that song for the Karaoke contest 3 years back. Other than the 1 blunder I did (I was raspy near the end) I got a huge applause. Too bad I came in 4th place :(
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@Curse_Lily: its too bad these guys broke up, to this day i just find this song awesome. i'll probably end up picking this when it goes down a bit on price or on release date if the girlfriend makes me buy just for the cutting crew.
While I understand it will likely represent a significant saving as compared to buying all these songs individually, I don't understand why there is this need to push out discs in favour of their online store. SingStar has the exact same problem and all it has really done has caused the song selection to grow stale and sit on my shelf.
I'm not sure I'll be rushing out to grab this set, but you never know considering how much Lips has been popular at my house since picking it up last year. I just hope they will be dishing out at least some of this in a pack that won't cost me 2 to 3 bucks a song.
@nick.soapdish: I would guess that despite the growing technological literacy among the general populace, there are still millions of people who haven't even configured their console for the internet.
I would expect this more of female gamers, who seem like they wouldn't necessarily need online capabilities, as it seems to me they are more prone for something more single-player-oriented instead of the harshly competitive atmosphere of many online multiplayer games.
I would assume a large portion of the demographic that is interested in Lips and SingStar might be this kind of offline gamer, so ultimately while it does screw the consumer that you can't pick and choose DLC songs, I have to assume that a huge portion of their install base wouldn't know how to get DLC in the first place. So ultimately it probably works out better for those consumers, as well the companies making the games.
Sadly, the only people affected are hardcore gamers who actually know how to use their consoles to their fullest.
@nworobes: I don't fault them for releasing it as a disc, really, because I understand a significant portion of players don't have the option of broadband internet. It's the fact that they don't offer them on the download service that is more jarring to me, seeing as I'm sure they could offer the content at a premium since you aren't picking up the tab for manufacturing costs.
@nick.soapdish: Again, I think the company is just going for the most profitable method.
With something like Rock Band or GH, there are discerning gamers who know what's what, and they're less likely to buy disc products if there's DLC, and they'll actively gripe about products that could've been DLC, like GH Smash Hits.
With the karaoke games, I assume the consumers are far less discerning, and again, since I assume they might be very much in the dark about DLC at all, so they have no problem just buying this disc with a bunch of random songs instead of choosing just the ones they like.
So ultimately, if it was DLC, and you just bought like 3 songs, they would make far less money than if you just bought the whole disc. Maybe you'll boycott the game on that principle, maybe you won't, but the boycott option seems less likely.
And even if people do boycott, the ratio of hardcore DLC-aware gamers to casual gamers is pretty huge, so ultimately your dollars are just too little to be missed are probably compensated for by the hardcore gamers who did just cave and buy the disc. I'm sure companies enjoy having consumers that are unaware of Rock Band-style DLC, as it seems to be the better option for making money.
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Wow, Lips is really kicking the crap out of Singstar when it comes to bringing out current pop hits and pop favorites. Good thing I got an Elite 360 as a gift a while back.
@jamonkimbrough: My PS3 is my main Karaoke player, it's a little thing called Ubuntu, pyKaraoke and CD+G - frankly I have no need for either ""Game"" but if I did I would probably pick this up over Sing Star just for "Hammer Time!"
I bet music game players also download more music illegally than the Average Joe, but that would be downplayed, of course. Turns out, illegal downloaders buy more music than law abiding citizens. So when the RIAA sues P2P filesharers, it is attacking the industry's best customers.
@(zombie) buddhathing damn curiousity: It's a lose win and win lose situation. Basically everyone wins and everyone loses -er- if that made any sense to anyone.
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While this is obviously no surprise, the numbers were higher in some cases than I expected. I know music games have personally made me aware of some 'new' music, but I haven't made a huge effort to purchase any.
@Bababoof is amazing: Idk protocol in this particular situation, but I still believe 'firsting' is frowned upon, even if its a second post, especially since it adds nothing to the conversation.
@GraywolfofMibu: Yep, we couldn't possibly *enjoy* music games. Clearly, we are only playing them because some washed-up C-lister was shown playing Guitar Hero on page 22 of (insert tabloid here).
@GraywolfofMibu: Oh, thilly. You make me giggle so. I play real instruments as well as fake ones. It's possible to do both, y'know. My guitars haven't fought to the death yet.
I just picked up LIPS about two weeks ago at Target for $25 on clearance, so if you're interested you might want to hit up your local store. At those prices, I certainly hope my mics never break! Eek!
1) I'm guessing this means the second Lips game will NOT include any microphones, and thus you will have to spend $60 on the title and then $50 on a single mic. So even if you don't want Lips...buy the bundle and then ditch the game at Gamestop. You spend $40 on two mics and get back maybe $10 for the game.
2) Compatibility for these is STILL not confirmed for anything but GH:Metallica. And the liklihood of compatibility being patched in to older music games (we're talking GHWT/RB1 and older) is very unlikely.
3) Why waste $50 on a wireless mic that's only good on the 360 when you can buy a wired mic at Gamestop for $10 used. Every Gamestop I've been to has at least 10 of them hanging around, from various brands ranging from Guitar Hero and Rock Band to Singstar and Disney's music games. Guess what...they ALL work. That's two mics for HALF the price of ONE.
Is wireless THAT important that people are going to let themselves get reemed on prices?
1) It's 2 mics not 1. Also if the first game was $70 with 2 mics, how do you know the new one will be $60? Though I bought the game and mics separately at my local EV Games and got them for $45 (15 for mics, 35 for game, - 10%)
2) GH Metallica and RB2 and from the looks of it all future band games. Other karaoke games wouldn't be out of the question to think about even if it's not confirmed.
3) All 360 wireless stuff can be used with the PC, you just need this little $20 adapter. Besides, they are very good quality, wireless (which most of the $10 ones aren't), fairly easy on batteries, and don't break easily or often.
So I bought 2 and have yet to feel cheated or ripped off, especially since the 2 of them were only $15 separately. The full game at original selling price was not much more than any of the other karaoke games, whose compatibility is a little bit better but do not have as many songs and certainly don't allow you to add your own.
@NoHoldsBarred: Wait...the article as I read it makes it sound as though mics are $50 EACH. "Standalone product" being the key phrase.
Also, the three wired mics in my collection are compatible with ALL 360 singing games near as I can tell...whereas these will only be compatible going forward (unless companies go back and patch in compatibility)
My only question is if Lips is compatible with the wired mics or not.
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Yeah, certainly could be so much worse. :) While not a huge fan...I certainly tap my toe when they are on the radio. Certainly currently, I don't think any Canadian artist is selling more music. I'd personally like Alexisonfire, but I'd take the Hip or Rush. :)
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I'm not sure I'll be rushing out to grab this set, but you never know considering how much Lips has been popular at my house since picking it up last year. I just hope they will be dishing out at least some of this in a pack that won't cost me 2 to 3 bucks a song.
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I would expect this more of female gamers, who seem like they wouldn't necessarily need online capabilities, as it seems to me they are more prone for something more single-player-oriented instead of the harshly competitive atmosphere of many online multiplayer games.
I would assume a large portion of the demographic that is interested in Lips and SingStar might be this kind of offline gamer, so ultimately while it does screw the consumer that you can't pick and choose DLC songs, I have to assume that a huge portion of their install base wouldn't know how to get DLC in the first place. So ultimately it probably works out better for those consumers, as well the companies making the games.
Sadly, the only people affected are hardcore gamers who actually know how to use their consoles to their fullest.
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With something like Rock Band or GH, there are discerning gamers who know what's what, and they're less likely to buy disc products if there's DLC, and they'll actively gripe about products that could've been DLC, like GH Smash Hits.
With the karaoke games, I assume the consumers are far less discerning, and again, since I assume they might be very much in the dark about DLC at all, so they have no problem just buying this disc with a bunch of random songs instead of choosing just the ones they like.
So ultimately, if it was DLC, and you just bought like 3 songs, they would make far less money than if you just bought the whole disc. Maybe you'll boycott the game on that principle, maybe you won't, but the boycott option seems less likely.
And even if people do boycott, the ratio of hardcore DLC-aware gamers to casual gamers is pretty huge, so ultimately your dollars are just too little to be missed are probably compensated for by the hardcore gamers who did just cave and buy the disc. I'm sure companies enjoy having consumers that are unaware of Rock Band-style DLC, as it seems to be the better option for making money.
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Let it be known I love my PS3 very much folks!
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1) I'm guessing this means the second Lips game will NOT include any microphones, and thus you will have to spend $60 on the title and then $50 on a single mic. So even if you don't want Lips...buy the bundle and then ditch the game at Gamestop. You spend $40 on two mics and get back maybe $10 for the game.
2) Compatibility for these is STILL not confirmed for anything but GH:Metallica. And the liklihood of compatibility being patched in to older music games (we're talking GHWT/RB1 and older) is very unlikely.
3) Why waste $50 on a wireless mic that's only good on the 360 when you can buy a wired mic at Gamestop for $10 used. Every Gamestop I've been to has at least 10 of them hanging around, from various brands ranging from Guitar Hero and Rock Band to Singstar and Disney's music games. Guess what...they ALL work. That's two mics for HALF the price of ONE.
Is wireless THAT important that people are going to let themselves get reemed on prices?
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1) It's 2 mics not 1. Also if the first game was $70 with 2 mics, how do you know the new one will be $60? Though I bought the game and mics separately at my local EV Games and got them for $45 (15 for mics, 35 for game, - 10%)
2) GH Metallica and RB2 and from the looks of it all future band games. Other karaoke games wouldn't be out of the question to think about even if it's not confirmed.
3) All 360 wireless stuff can be used with the PC, you just need this little $20 adapter. Besides, they are very good quality, wireless (which most of the $10 ones aren't), fairly easy on batteries, and don't break easily or often.
So I bought 2 and have yet to feel cheated or ripped off, especially since the 2 of them were only $15 separately. The full game at original selling price was not much more than any of the other karaoke games, whose compatibility is a little bit better but do not have as many songs and certainly don't allow you to add your own.
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Is wireless THAT important that people are going to let themselves get reemed on prices?
Wireless is tantamount to my ability to enjoy music games, mics, guitars, etc., because wires plus toddler equals sad doubtful.
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Also, the three wired mics in my collection are compatible with ALL 360 singing games near as I can tell...whereas these will only be compatible going forward (unless companies go back and patch in compatibility)
My only question is if Lips is compatible with the wired mics or not.
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Love Target and it's clearance section.
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I made the same comment before seeing yours. I'm guilty of hitting up Target every few days, heading right to the electronics and clearance diving.