Just to make things clear as to what has changed from L4D1 to L4D2:
New Maps (About 25 total if you break up the chapters, or five chapters).
New Weapons, Including:
Desert Eagle
Auto-Snipe rifle.
AK-47
Silenced SMG
Auto-shotgun /w stock (less spread, slightly higher firing rate).
"Boomer Bile" grenade.
Adrenaline Shot
Nightstick
Machete
Guitar
Baseball Bat
Frying Pan
Grenade Launcher
etc.
New Special Infected:
Spitter
Jockey
Charger
New "Uncommon" Infected:
Bulletproof
Fireproof
Swamp Zombie (no idea what it does, just know it's in there).
New Game Modes:
"Realism" (Headshot only, higher damage than Expert. Possibly some map tweaks as it's a completely seperate 'set').
"Scavenge." modes (with the accompanying maps to support 'em).
Really, the point I'm trying to make? There's literally close to like 3 times the weapon, an entire new set of maps, a whole gamut of new infected, new characters, new models, new graphical upgrades (damage modeling is different, Zombies sport upgraded models), about a billion gameplay tweaks.
What... the hell MORE do you want from a Sequel? Seriously? #left4dead2
@Evdor: Oh yay an entire new set of maps! Kind of like how they promised to release an entire new set of maps for the first one right? Oh and if I wanted an entire new set of maps I have like 20 of them I downloaded for fucking FREE. As far as new weapons go the melee weapons completely unbalance things. I beat an entire hoard by just standing in a corner and hitting them with a night stick. As far as new infected go this is another unbalanced aspect. The spitter did 60 damage to me in less than a second, wtf is that, seriously broken. The other modes I could give two shits about all I play is campaign. Fuck this release. Not because I am against a sequel but because this is not the sequel this game deserves. #left4dead2
The Spitter spit on me and it DID DAMAGE! HOLY CRAP! I shoudln't have to AVOID Zombies! I should be able to run through! It's almost like it's going to be HARD on Expert mode and stuff! WTF? NERF! UNFAIR!
THE NEW MELEE WEAPONS ARE UNBALANCED. I mean, if I run out of ammo I no longer have any ranged weapons, it's totally useless against a Tank or Smoker or Boomer, but it kills things too much! I don't like to kill things. Or for them to kill me.
And why the hell would you even buy the game if one aspect of the game appealed to you? I mean, seriously? Listen to yourself. It's obvious you shouldn't have bought the damn game in the first place, nothing's going to please you. #left4dead2
Heres to another 970/1000 achievement points in the first month of owning it, and still playing it almost nightly even after getting that elusive 30 pt Nothing Special almost 9 months later.
@Komrade Kayce: Want to snag Nothing Special the easy way?
Log in a guest controller and start up a system link game on Crash Course. Put your guest on the infected team and choose the Humans for yourself. Then, run the level as fast as you can. When your guest plays the human side, just use him to incap all of his teamates and then finish him off yourself. Start the second round as a human and do the same thing. At the crescendo, when the tank spawns in, make sure you grab your guest controller and move the tank into easy shooting range. Light him up. Hop in the truck and Wha-la! You just got Nothing Special.
Yes, I know this is cheap. But it sure as hell beats spending 20 hours trying to get the cheevo for real. #left4dead2
@CockroachMan: The annual Christmas sale is only a month after release, it will most likely be 25 bucks or less during that. That's when I plan on buying it, but they BETTER fix the bugs in it so far. #left4dead2
@Karth is Ego Tripping: If it's anything like last year, the Christmas Sale is something like:
10%-75% OFF!!!
(Note: Other than a few select games whose publishers are desperate enough to give a massive discount, any game released in the last millenia will only be 10% off.)
I might pick up a few games during that sale, but not L4D2. It'll just be 10% off. Instead, like CockroachMan, I'll wait until a Steam Weekend Deal (usually 50% off), which TF2 has had like a dozen of, and L4D has had 1 or 2, maybe more.
I'm not a big fun of shelling out for annual iterations of video game franchises, and this seems to be the first game I've ever bought (unless I'm forgetting something) that it turns out is one of those.
I'd like to play it, but I can certainly wait for a more appropriate expansion-pack price point. #left4dead2
@nworobes: Yeah, I remember last year's Christmas sale.. got Psychonauts for 50% off and gifted TF2 for a friend for 10 bucks.
But I remember seeing a bunch of newer games getting good discounts. Bioshock was being sold for 5 bucks, and like I said Psychonauts got 50% off. #left4dead2
The demo is insanely laggy, which kind of worries me as I don't recall the demo for the first one being laggy at all. I never pre-order a thing... but I will probably pick this up within a day or two of release. I may even wait a day or two just to make sure the lag issue is just with the demo. #left4dead2
I had the download it for the 360, to see what it had to offer, and it was alright. I did not have any problems with lagging.
I will say the game is probably more fun to play with people than the AI. Not that I have any complaints about the AI. They did extremely well and saved my ass a few times. #left4dead2
@--Core--: This would be on the 360. Every game I joined had significant lag, and the other people in each of those games were complaining about how they had experienced lag in other games as well. There were also several people talking about it being unusually laggy in another forum I frequent..... so I don't think it was just me. #left4dead2
I just hope we don't find Valve then posting a video of the Witch Crying, saying "The Witch is crying because people hacked the demo. So the witch is going to hack up those people's Baseball Bats!"... #left4dead2
For those who grabbed the demo yesterday we're playing tonight. [steamcommunity.com]
We're just gonna tag off with each other, though if you want you can play this versus mode too.
Mic would be great. #left4dead2
I played the demo for a bit and found it extremely disappointing. Valve have been trying to sell it to us as a new experience and we'd understand why it needed to be a new game when we played the demo.
Ok I thought. They know better than me.
So I play the demo, and it's a reskinned L4D1 with some new SI added. Since it's just a reskinned L4D1, i'm bored of it within minutes because literally nothing else has changed. It just felt like I was playing a poorly designed custom map. The Special Infected AI is still terrible, the common infected are still more a chore than fun to kill. The gameplay in general is still extremely one dimensional.
@ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.: Yes. And they still often ignore you completely if you have an SI on you and they now have the added bonus of trying to revive you while you're still covered in common infected instead of shooting any of them.
I honestly believe that the only people that can enjoy this demo are the ones that never played L4D in the first place and so won't instantly see all these problems with it. #left4dead2
@Syril: I have played games where people dropped out while having a molitov. The AI then throws it at the first sign of danger. Doesn't matter if you are in a small room, huddled in the corner. The AI will just toss the damn thing and get everyone killed. AI not using explosives is a good thing.
I would however like it if they picked them up and held them until you needed them. #left4dead2
@Mit: I agree here, but not to the same extreme. The bots should be better - but anyone who plays the game should expect to play the game with friends most of the time, anyway. #left4dead2
@Mit: I enjoyed playing solo with bots much more than playing with random people online. I'm not cool enough to have friends that'll play with me when I'm in the mood for shooting zombies. #left4dead2
@kryorage: In my experience it's been fairly easy to find people on Steam who have mics and are cool to play with. Met many friends on my friends list that way.
I guess it might be a different story on Xbox. #left4dead2
Preorder exclusive hats only make those of us who can't afford to buy L4D at launch feel alienated. And it also makes me feel like Valve really hates me for not being able to pay for the game right away.
Dammit Valve, I liked you. What the hell is going on with you? :( #left4dead2
The company wants you to spend more money on their products so they give you an incentive to do so. You don't want to or can't. That should be the end of it. Seriously, alienated? Did it make you feel alienated when the guy in front of you at Subway used a full stamps card to get his sub for free (back when they were doing that) but you had to pay for yours in full? Oh no! The sandwich artists might think less of you!
I swear, people tie their self esteem to the most pointless crap these days. #left4dead2
@Toasticus: I wouldn't know, I don't pay for overpriced sandwiches.
But that rewards system had already been in place. This was just tacked on to get hat obsessors to pay for a game they may not even play once. #left4dead2
@Kitsune Sniper: Just wanted to come back to this and apologize for being so gruff here. I was running on very little sleep at the time and feeling pretty grumpy. #left4dead2
I've never understood the phrase "parallel dimensions." Width is a dimension; the only thing parallel to width is width itself. If anything, it should be a perpendicular dimension. #left4dead2
@AnOkayLumberjack: Perhaps "parallel universe" is more appropriate. What they mean, of course, is the idea that all universes (sometimes seen as dimensions) lie on a flat planes of existence more or less on top of each other. Imagine it like slices of Kraft pre-sliced cheese. They usually stay to themselves, but sometimes... things happen. Perhaps two of the universes bend close to each other and touch. Perhaps a warp or tear in time-space occurs, creating a wormhole between two universes. Perhaps experiments were being done and hats fell off tables.
In the end, just a theory. Completely unprovable at this point. #left4dead2
those are the dimensions humans perceive and travel thorough
there is a suspected 11-20 dimensions.
For example Gravity potentially has a dimension all to itself, hence why it is stupidly weak compared to the 3 other Fundamental Forces.
Some models suggest that parallel dimension (which are more timeliness than dimensions) splinter off whenever a chocie is made(normally mistaken to be a choice a human has made, they actually mean the choice of electrons, or smaller) and it could be possible to jump between these parallel timeliness, but as of yet we have no way of doing that. #left4dead2
I really hope Valve leaves a gaping hole to patch so obvious that a child could figure out how. I hope they provide a "De-censor" as an installable package.
I also hope for malted milk balls to rain from the sky. #left4dead2
11/05/09
New Maps (About 25 total if you break up the chapters, or five chapters).
New Weapons, Including:
Desert Eagle
Auto-Snipe rifle.
AK-47
Silenced SMG
Auto-shotgun /w stock (less spread, slightly higher firing rate).
"Boomer Bile" grenade.
Adrenaline Shot
Nightstick
Machete
Guitar
Baseball Bat
Frying Pan
Grenade Launcher
etc.
New Special Infected:
Spitter
Jockey
Charger
New "Uncommon" Infected:
Bulletproof
Fireproof
Swamp Zombie (no idea what it does, just know it's in there).
New Game Modes:
"Realism" (Headshot only, higher damage than Expert. Possibly some map tweaks as it's a completely seperate 'set').
"Scavenge." modes (with the accompanying maps to support 'em).
Really, the point I'm trying to make? There's literally close to like 3 times the weapon, an entire new set of maps, a whole gamut of new infected, new characters, new models, new graphical upgrades (damage modeling is different, Zombies sport upgraded models), about a billion gameplay tweaks.
What... the hell MORE do you want from a Sequel? Seriously? #left4dead2
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11/06/09
The Spitter spit on me and it DID DAMAGE! HOLY CRAP! I shoudln't have to AVOID Zombies! I should be able to run through! It's almost like it's going to be HARD on Expert mode and stuff! WTF? NERF! UNFAIR!
THE NEW MELEE WEAPONS ARE UNBALANCED. I mean, if I run out of ammo I no longer have any ranged weapons, it's totally useless against a Tank or Smoker or Boomer, but it kills things too much! I don't like to kill things. Or for them to kill me.
And why the hell would you even buy the game if one aspect of the game appealed to you? I mean, seriously? Listen to yourself. It's obvious you shouldn't have bought the damn game in the first place, nothing's going to please you. #left4dead2
11/05/09
Love it. :) #left4dead2
11/05/09
Log in a guest controller and start up a system link game on Crash Course. Put your guest on the infected team and choose the Humans for yourself. Then, run the level as fast as you can. When your guest plays the human side, just use him to incap all of his teamates and then finish him off yourself. Start the second round as a human and do the same thing. At the crescendo, when the tank spawns in, make sure you grab your guest controller and move the tank into easy shooting range. Light him up. Hop in the truck and Wha-la! You just got Nothing Special.
Yes, I know this is cheap. But it sure as hell beats spending 20 hours trying to get the cheevo for real. #left4dead2
11/05/09
I already have it, the legit way, thanks. #left4dead2
11/05/09
I pre-ordered the first game, and I liked it, it's an awesome game.. but I got tired of it fast. Haven't played as much as I thought I would.
I plan to buy the second one when it becomes a Steam Weekend deal :P #left4dead2
11/05/09
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So yes, you can definitely say it isn't working well. #left4dead2
11/05/09
10%-75% OFF!!!
(Note: Other than a few select games whose publishers are desperate enough to give a massive discount, any game released in the last millenia will only be 10% off.)
I might pick up a few games during that sale, but not L4D2. It'll just be 10% off. Instead, like CockroachMan, I'll wait until a Steam Weekend Deal (usually 50% off), which TF2 has had like a dozen of, and L4D has had 1 or 2, maybe more.
I'm not a big fun of shelling out for annual iterations of video game franchises, and this seems to be the first game I've ever bought (unless I'm forgetting something) that it turns out is one of those.
I'd like to play it, but I can certainly wait for a more appropriate expansion-pack price point. #left4dead2
11/05/09
But I remember seeing a bunch of newer games getting good discounts. Bioshock was being sold for 5 bucks, and like I said Psychonauts got 50% off. #left4dead2
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I had the download it for the 360, to see what it had to offer, and it was alright. I did not have any problems with lagging.
I will say the game is probably more fun to play with people than the AI. Not that I have any complaints about the AI. They did extremely well and saved my ass a few times. #left4dead2
11/06/09
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11/04/09
[steamcommunity.com]
We're just gonna tag off with each other, though if you want you can play this versus mode too.
Mic would be great. #left4dead2
11/04/09
Ok I thought. They know better than me.
So I play the demo, and it's a reskinned L4D1 with some new SI added. Since it's just a reskinned L4D1, i'm bored of it within minutes because literally nothing else has changed. It just felt like I was playing a poorly designed custom map. The Special Infected AI is still terrible, the common infected are still more a chore than fun to kill. The gameplay in general is still extremely one dimensional.
Nothing to see here. #left4dead2
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11/04/09
Do they still use first aid on you when you have plenty of health?
(I'd check it out myself, but I'm trying to hold out until the full game release.) #left4dead2
11/04/09
I honestly believe that the only people that can enjoy this demo are the ones that never played L4D in the first place and so won't instantly see all these problems with it. #left4dead2
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I would however like it if they picked them up and held them until you needed them. #left4dead2
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I guess it might be a different story on Xbox. #left4dead2
11/04/09
I didn't play LFD so i cant wait to play this. #left4dead2
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lol #left4dead2
11/03/09
Preorder exclusive hats only make those of us who can't afford to buy L4D at launch feel alienated. And it also makes me feel like Valve really hates me for not being able to pay for the game right away.
Dammit Valve, I liked you. What the hell is going on with you? :( #left4dead2
11/03/09
The company wants you to spend more money on their products so they give you an incentive to do so. You don't want to or can't. That should be the end of it. Seriously, alienated? Did it make you feel alienated when the guy in front of you at Subway used a full stamps card to get his sub for free (back when they were doing that) but you had to pay for yours in full? Oh no! The sandwich artists might think less of you!
I swear, people tie their self esteem to the most pointless crap these days. #left4dead2
11/03/09
But that rewards system had already been in place. This was just tacked on to get hat obsessors to pay for a game they may not even play once. #left4dead2
11/04/09
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11/03/09
In the end, just a theory. Completely unprovable at this point. #left4dead2
11/03/09
Dimensions:
width
hight
depth
time
those are the dimensions humans perceive and travel thorough
there is a suspected 11-20 dimensions.
For example Gravity potentially has a dimension all to itself, hence why it is stupidly weak compared to the 3 other Fundamental Forces.
Some models suggest that parallel dimension (which are more timeliness than dimensions) splinter off whenever a chocie is made(normally mistaken to be a choice a human has made, they actually mean the choice of electrons, or smaller) and it could be possible to jump between these parallel timeliness, but as of yet we have no way of doing that. #left4dead2
11/03/09
I also hope for malted milk balls to rain from the sky. #left4dead2
11/03/09
This has oddly made me more excited to have pre-ordered L4D2 than the prospect of playing the actual game. #left4dead2