Well, I tried sending a letter to any executive (John Koller is the VP of marketing) to tell them that if they want to crack the remaining holdouts that haven't bought a PS3 yet, they have to bring back backwards compatibility. Yeah I know not everyone is as irked as me, but I own 450+ PS2 games, and I don't want to have 15 systems plugged in at once. I will buy a PS3 when BC is back, and not before. If not, I can wait for garage sales in 5 years and buy games used. After all, THAT'S WHAT SONY IS TELLING ME TO DO NOW WITH THE PS2!
If my money is going to buy new PS2's when the old ones die (and by god, they do), I'm not gonna spend the same money on new games and make them profit. Whereas if I buy a PS3 to play PS2 games, I now am over a $300 hurdle to buying new games.
I know most people don't care about BC, but John Koller stated in his press release that "It's all people want to talk about!". News flash, PR guy: your system is 3rd out of 3, and you're telling us you're intentionally ignoring a vocal and dedicated fan base? Do you not LIKE profit?
But, to get back to my point (sorry), apparently it's impossible to get ahold of anyone at Sony other than low-level cst svc, who have no power and who can only pass on my phone calls and letters to be promptly ignored. Does anyone know how to email an executive office, or someone with actual clout at Sony, direct? Because in spite of Koller's comments, I'd like to believe that they just don't understand how adamant a chunk of their potential market is about BC. Because the alternative is that they don't care, and that's bad business.
@senselocke: always love the stuff that comes out of the PR department. I really think the lack of any sort of backwards compatibility (even as a paid add-on) is kind of a big middle finger to PS2 fans. EVERYBODY loved their PS2s and game libraries so much, even giving PS3 owners the option of BC would go a long way towards letting the fans know their investments in the PS brand is highly valued.
I'm not surprised they're not making money off the console. Why would they? That's not the strategy anyone is using in the video game market. The console is just the tool they use to get you to buy the stuff that actuall does make money, the games, the other random crap, the avatars, etc. It's like buying a razor, the razor is actually cheap as hell, but the blade refills are priced to the sky... the money is made off the stuff you buy AFTER you're locked in to using the product and have no choice.
I believe it... I worked for an IT distribution company (the much beloved middlemen) and the consoles themselves often sold to the stores for maybe a dollar or so less than msrp- if not AT msrp. However, the retail markup for the accessories, the controllers, even the prepaid cards for online service, etc, was usually 30% or more on the retail side.
I think i might be the only one that liked the original logo, i hate the new one, now all my games are going to have different packaging and what about the boot screens, are they changing that too? Dammit Sony why did you have to do this, and don't quote that billboard crap at me, the second PS3 logo would have been fine for branding and would have kept everything uniform. This is probably mild ocd on my part but dammit i hate change.
Why does everyone give Nintendo credit for being the first to have motion control? Sure they were the first ones to have a console with motion control this generation, but Sony has been working on motion control way before the wii. I believe way back in 2004/05. Can't find the video though.
@LukeMakesMePuke said: Why does everyone give Nintendo credit for being the first to have motion control? Sure they were the first ones to have a console with motion control this generation, but Sony has been working on motion control way before the wii. I believe way back in 2004/05. Can't find the video though.
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The first motion controller was on the Commodore 64. The wii does seem like it stood on the shoulders of the Eyetoy, though, and yes... They showed this thing off way before the Wii... They just didn't think too much of it and didn't push it the way Nintendo did because the eyetoy always got bad sales outside of Europe.
The wii's huge (and unpredictable) success made them change their minds and develop this old concept further.
I always chuckle whenever I read these stories about profitability and how much money console makers lose. Do we really care? Should we even care?
Last time I checked, I was a GAMER not a SHAREHOLDER. Frankly, I don't give a damn how much money anyone loses; just keep coming out with the good games and thats all that matters. It's funny to see the fanboys (on both sides) come out to debate sales figures lol........
Unless I'm wrong: Doesn't Nintendo actually make a profit on the Wii hardware, just as it did with the Gamecube? I think MS and Sony are the only ones who lost money on manufacturing hardware on this generation and last. Maybe Nintendo's idea of not staying on the cutting edge is paying off. For them, not for us, though.
It took them 3 bloody years to work out that the font didn't work on a billboard? Don't they pay large salaries to design guys to know this stuff? And why take 3 years to change it?
The only way they are gonna ship more units is putting backwards compatibility back into it, there just arent enough PS3 games good enough to justify buying one.
And I bought my PS3 when only Uncharted from that list was out. You should really consider your words. Another example would be IGN they have a list of reviewed games with 9 and above [uk.ps3.ign.com]
Yes there are a few duplicates but there are more than enough good games on the PS3. With alot more looking to be coming in the near future. If anything the 360 looks to have dried up a little. Doesnt bother me. I own both.
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If I ever buy a PS3, I want my freaking compatability. I don't give a rats ass, my poor ps2 is needing retirement. The only games that look at all interesting on the PS3 are MGS4 and Infamous. Oh, also Tales of Vesperia, which hopefully gets ported here. Oh, and some other JRPGs that nobody cares about, because Americans have no taste in games.
I can say that, because I'm American.
@Arnold Rimmer's Garden Strimmer: I wish PS3 fans would get off there high horse and stop claiming BC has no use on a modern console. If you don't play BC games on your PS3 then that's just you. Your not a measure of all the gamers in the world so stop acting like it and just accept the reason SO MANY people keep persistently asking for it is because it's a feature SO MANY people want.
Though I agree the guy above is being an idiot too as the PS3 has tons of good games.
360's not really dried up, it's got Forza, Alan wake, Magna carta 2, Crackdown 2, Halo ODST and some more coming that are exclusive and then it's getting stuff like Kingdom under fire 2 etc. that are PC and 360 only. It's not like PS3 was dried up at the start, it just had to wait till more devs had got to the point where the titles were being released.
@xxXX_Insanities_Birth_XXxx: Wow...In no way did I say I am a measure of all the gamers in the world. That's pretty insulting, there are some total wankers who own PS3's and ruin people's online experience (in the same vain as XBL)
If you have PS2 games, the chances are you own a PS2.
Im sure if you surveyed every single PS3 owner they'd say that BC is needed and important, but the chances are less than half the PS3 population would use it regularly. "SO MANY" How many? :) All the kotaku readers? Well thats only probably 1 or 2% of all PS3 owners (if that) All the gaming blog readers? Then theres more than a few people who only bought the console for the Blu ray player, small margin I know.
It's not nearly as important as you make out. I'd even guess that people would rather have a certain game such as Uncharted 2 to BC.
@Arnold Rimmer's Garden Strimmer: i work at a gamestop and i can tell you, backwards compatibility is very important to many consumers, for every system i actually sell, there are 10+ people who come in wondering if sony got their act together and put in a BC update yet.
people tend to want 1 system, for convenience if anything, not to mention the number of incredible games only on the ps2 and how many gamers have their own collection of ps2 games that they dont want to go to waste.
@conman577: i think no BC is kind of an FU to fans. most PS2s are pretty sturdy and still alive and kicking, but one day they're going to stop working. it would be great if PS fans knew that they'd still be able to spend time w/ their favorite games on the PS3 long after the PS2 is gone.
After all, Sony keeps talking about the long projected lifespan of the PS3...
Perhaps the hardware business would have become considerably more profitable if Sony decided to stop making near-sentient mechanobeasts which are purportedly sadistically difficult to program for.
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If my money is going to buy new PS2's when the old ones die (and by god, they do), I'm not gonna spend the same money on new games and make them profit. Whereas if I buy a PS3 to play PS2 games, I now am over a $300 hurdle to buying new games.
I know most people don't care about BC, but John Koller stated in his press release that "It's all people want to talk about!". News flash, PR guy: your system is 3rd out of 3, and you're telling us you're intentionally ignoring a vocal and dedicated fan base? Do you not LIKE profit?
But, to get back to my point (sorry), apparently it's impossible to get ahold of anyone at Sony other than low-level cst svc, who have no power and who can only pass on my phone calls and letters to be promptly ignored. Does anyone know how to email an executive office, or someone with actual clout at Sony, direct? Because in spite of Koller's comments, I'd like to believe that they just don't understand how adamant a chunk of their potential market is about BC. Because the alternative is that they don't care, and that's bad business.
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I'll miss it if I ever get a new console.
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The Spider-Man font always reminded me of the font The Smashing Pumpkins used for their 1979 single font because I'm such a SP fanboy.
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My response is:
The first motion controller was on the Commodore 64. The wii does seem like it stood on the shoulders of the Eyetoy, though, and yes... They showed this thing off way before the Wii... They just didn't think too much of it and didn't push it the way Nintendo did because the eyetoy always got bad sales outside of Europe.
The wii's huge (and unpredictable) success made them change their minds and develop this old concept further.
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Last time I checked, I was a GAMER not a SHAREHOLDER. Frankly, I don't give a damn how much money anyone loses; just keep coming out with the good games and thats all that matters. It's funny to see the fanboys (on both sides) come out to debate sales figures lol........
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It's really not that big a deal, I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games and thats what I do. And there arent enough good PS3 games? Bloody hell.
Uncharted
LittleBigPlanet
Ratchet & Clank (both games)
Killzone 2
MGS4
Resistance
Infamous
And I bought my PS3 when only Uncharted from that list was out. You should really consider your words. Another example would be IGN they have a list of reviewed games with 9 and above [uk.ps3.ign.com]
Yes there are a few duplicates but there are more than enough good games on the PS3. With alot more looking to be coming in the near future. If anything the 360 looks to have dried up a little. Doesnt bother me. I own both.
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If I ever buy a PS3, I want my freaking compatability. I don't give a rats ass, my poor ps2 is needing retirement. The only games that look at all interesting on the PS3 are MGS4 and Infamous. Oh, also Tales of Vesperia, which hopefully gets ported here. Oh, and some other JRPGs that nobody cares about, because Americans have no taste in games.
I can say that, because I'm American.
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Though I agree the guy above is being an idiot too as the PS3 has tons of good games.
360's not really dried up, it's got Forza, Alan wake, Magna carta 2, Crackdown 2, Halo ODST and some more coming that are exclusive and then it's getting stuff like Kingdom under fire 2 etc. that are PC and 360 only. It's not like PS3 was dried up at the start, it just had to wait till more devs had got to the point where the titles were being released.
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If you have PS2 games, the chances are you own a PS2.
Im sure if you surveyed every single PS3 owner they'd say that BC is needed and important, but the chances are less than half the PS3 population would use it regularly. "SO MANY" How many? :) All the kotaku readers? Well thats only probably 1 or 2% of all PS3 owners (if that) All the gaming blog readers? Then theres more than a few people who only bought the console for the Blu ray player, small margin I know.
It's not nearly as important as you make out. I'd even guess that people would rather have a certain game such as Uncharted 2 to BC.
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people tend to want 1 system, for convenience if anything, not to mention the number of incredible games only on the ps2 and how many gamers have their own collection of ps2 games that they dont want to go to waste.
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After all, Sony keeps talking about the long projected lifespan of the PS3...
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