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10/20/09
40/40 : 360
38/40 : PS3
that is all. #famitsu
10/20/09
Also, someone on neogaf seems to have been playing the game. Apparently there's a few standard moves removed from the demo, like a kick used for parrying, etc.
Can't wait in 2-3 weeks to try this. #famitsu
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It's strange that Resident Evil 4 didn't get a perfect score, at the time it was about as perfect as a game gets, same with Shadow of the Colossus.
Even though they don't seem to like our games, it still surprises me to not see the likes of BioShock up there, which is very deserving of a perfect score in my opinion, same with Uncharted 2. #famitsu
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But that's just your opinion vs mine. #famitsu
10/20/09
I've never played 428, DQIX or Monster Hunter Tri but, for me, Vagrant Story bests any other game on that list hands down.
I really hope it gets at least a spiritual sequel one day. There are gameplay mechanics, stylistic touches, and a quality of writing in there that demand to be resurrected for a new generation. #famitsu
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Different games appeal to different people. The reviewers at Famitsu have just as much right to give it a perfect score as anyone here has the right to say it doesn't deserve one. It's an opinion. You have yours. They have theirs. Get over it.
Famitsu have done some controversial reviews in the past, which to some is probably enough to disregard this score completely. If that's the case then again - why do people care so much that it got this score? #famitsu
10/20/09
I'd be interested in knowing what stake you all have in this game that would make you react so negatively to a publication giving a game its maximum score. #famitsu
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BTW, thank you for using this picture again, Beatrix and Bayonetta....it's like peanut butter and chocolate. #famitsu
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...yeah i must be missing some cultural difference in taste or something. #famitsu
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So yeah, apparently Famitsu liked it too. #famitsu
10/20/09
LOL! XII for me was utter misery, it was a decent game...but you had to find it in small spurts. The overall experience left me hollow. So for me, XII DAMN sure isn't a 40/40 game....more like a 32/40...maybe lower.
And FFX damn sure didn't deserve a 40/40 either.
...but it doesn't matter in the long run, perfect scores from a review don't equate great and fun game everyone else. The only game that I've recently played that deserved all the sexy love it received was Uncharted 2.
God that game... #famitsu
10/20/09
Stop you are making me blush
*･゜(n‘∀‘)ηﾟ･* #famitsu
10/20/09
Because of this I'll be very careful with FF13. #famitsu
10/20/09
Whoa, I've played the game and found it awful, it's like people who hate FFVII (I love FFVII)....it's an opinion. I've learned to deal with the slings and arrows of fanboy rage against that game. XII fans have to do the same you guys AREN'T exempted! LOL! *rawr*
Seriously though, you are MORE then allowed to like FFXII to your hearts content, there are many that share your view. Just as there are many that share MY view of thinking the game doesn't deserve the perfect score.
I, didn't like it and therefore I don't agree with Famitisu's score for the game.
Just opinions mate...nothing more. #famitsu
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Chocolate makes everything PERFECT. If Bayonetta was graded with chocolate slathered all over the 360 and game, I would understand why it got the perfect score. #famitsu
10/20/09
But Famitsu scores are based on a composite of 4 reviews on a scale of 1-10, and I'm not sure a solid set of 8s is entirely appropriate for FFXII, issues aside. Outside of the really horrid level design, it does do quite a bit right. Around 36 is probably more fair to the game. #famitsu
10/20/09
I looked at the commercials and trailers for XII and felt absolutely NOTHING. No happiness, excitement...nothing, with the PSX-2 FFs, the cutscenes and FMVs stir an emotion in me, VII was Holy Shit! VIII was Wow! IX was Cool! X was Pretty! and XII was.........okay.
I played the demo of XII when I borrowed DQ 8 and was bored out of my skull. I told myself, 'There's no way the rest of this game will be like this...it'll get better.'
Then I played the game....it didn't get better.
I refused to buy that game, and didn't, I borrowed it from a friend who had the same reaction then beat the game and literally THREW it back to him.
For XIII, I have the same hesitance I had with XII, but I'm going to get on the bronco again with the series. For me at this point, getting XIII now only heralds that vXIII is on the way.
10/20/09
No, it's cool...opinions are like assholes y'know? Everyone has them and everyone thinks the other one stinks.
Such is life. LOL! #famitsu
10/20/09
My big problem with XII is that it felt like an MMORPG - in more ways than just the battle system. What I love about Final Fantasy (and what is exemplified in VII and X) is the intense, personal story. One with intricate, complex, interweaving backstories which pull you into the lives of the characters.
IMHO, XII did not have any of that. Instead, you're faced with some generic political conflict that the story wraps itself around, painted in broad strokes. Very similar to any MMORPG that i have had the displeasure of being exposed to.
Couple that with the inane battle system and the bad pacing, and I personally thought it was a disaster. This is coming from someone who pre-ordered the Special Edition case with every hope that the game was going to be as amazing as the reviews / previews made it look.
Luckily I found Okami shortly thereafter and it filled the gaping whole that was in me for the perfect game... #famitsu
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I agree, just about a 36...I mean, my biggest problems with XII were the textures (the abs on the guys...they looked like mud...), the characters (save Basch, Balthier, Fran and hell even Larsa), the story, the environments and the dungeon. I wasn't a big fan of the gameplay but it was engaging enough for me to complete the game.
I just went through XII thinking of what could have been. Then when I learned WHAT could have been, my dislike for that game compounded. #famitsu
10/20/09
Exactly, that's what it felt like to me...I didn't mind it too much because it wasn't like unplayable. The characters and their interactions just were jarring for me. I found myself not caring at ALL on what happens to them during the war or what kingdom or anything like that.
I don't hate MMOs, they're just not my cup of tea....I can see why people like them though.
XII did somethings right, it was a new gameplay for a FF and it did keep things exciting (once I played the game) but for me it sacrificed alot of personality and fun from the series to get it.
But it's only my opinion on the matter, not the gospel truth. ^-^ #famitsu
10/20/09
But like opinions, they can change...perhaps after time I'll play XII again and enjoy it. I did that with VIII and my dislike for it lessened.
As time progresses, things you thought were terrible will seem less like it and things you found were perfect will pale. I LOVE VII with every core of my being, but the game isn't perfect in the slightest...it doesn't make me love the game any less or more because of it.
XII might have that same effect for me, I usually play games that I generally disliked again after some years pass and my opinions always change.
To be perfect is a flaw in itself, if something is perfect then it'll never evolve. It'll stay the same forever... #famitsu
10/20/09
i think when a game has me jumping in water for 10 minutes and still enjoying it than playing other games released earlier this year is a godly game for sure. #famitsu
10/20/09
i honestly enjoyed FFXI more than i enjoyed XII or anything before that, imo the series went down hill after the jump to 3D , there have been a few good gems between the pile of crap. #famitsu
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I wasn't sure... #famitsu
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XI still personally shouldn't be a number FF...just Online would be suffice. #famitsu
10/20/09
I do always love seeing the FF arguments though. I honestly must be one of the few who has had no problem with any of the main numbered series of the game. I think FF is the only series out there that can make an argument it hasn't made a bad game yet. (not counting Crystal Chronicles.... ugh)
Maybe it's because I was a late FF player and got brought in by Kingdom Hearts. X was my first and still remains to be my favorite, but I think all of them have been pretty darn good. #famitsu
10/20/09
LOL! XII had a Star Wars feel all over it.
This isn't an argument, I've been through many FF arguments...this is a civil discussion compared to the fanboy butthurt bandwagon fuckcluster of FF arguments. No FF is safe from it, every FF has annoying Fanclusters. But that's how it is....
XII is the only FF that I truly dislike, VIII was pretty sucky but XII was almost impossible to play for me....I just hated Vaan, Panelo and Ashe SO MUCH. Amongst other things.
LOL! I think it is because you're a late FF player...be thankful for that. But of course you had to deal with the anti X people like me. Sorry, I preferred Grandia 2 over X....
I wish we could all live in peace but it's not realistic with such a massive series like FF. #famitsu
10/20/09
anyways, bayonetta is awesome. ive played the demo for 360 and ps3, and its easy to make a japanese psn account. just google it and get one for that demo, and try yakuza 3 while youre at it (awesome game).
from videos and screens, it seemed that bayonetta was just devil may cry with a female.. but it has a more fresh feeling. one thing i really really like is the ability to pick up some fallen enemies weapons. thats something so many games in 3d have forgotten that i loved about 2d action games. bayonetta has a bit of an arcade feel, which is excellent for my tastes.. and its also got a jammin soundtrack, which is rare for these kinds of games.
so yeah, i could see high scores for the game.. check it out! #famitsu
10/20/09
Yea, I went there. All those people that claim VI is the best and the series went downhill after it? They played VI first and don't want to admit it. #famitsu
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THIS. OMG THIS..... #famitsu
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LOL! I honestly FORGOT what my question was until you mentioned it....I had to scroll back up to re-read it again.
Thanks, I'm not on PSN (I'm not online yet..:cries:) But I really want to play the demo of the game. Despite the glaring differences in the 360 vs PS3 version of the game. I still would like to play it at some point. #famitsu
10/20/09
I didn't know your opinion was absolute, thank you for opening my eyes and please...see yourself out. #famitsu
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I will, I know when to become a bottom. There was....just so much truth to your comment.
Hell, if I could close the thread from your comment I would. There's like nothing else that needs to said in regards to FF and FF arguments in general.
You win this thread. Well played, well played. #famitsu
10/20/09
Oh and i liked penelo... she continued the line of awesomely cute ff girls that rydia, yuffie, Selphie and rikku so proudly carried on. Vaan and ashe on the other hand... yeah im with you.
The only FF I had big time trouble playing was 8 though. I just hated that GF based battle system. Selphie bein sexy and Siefer being awesome carried me through though.
And yeah I'll leave the anti-x argument alone. I'll admit X is so huge to me mainly because it was the first i played. That and as I found out playing the other FF's, it was nice having a main character who was actually happy and content in life, not a whiny little emo who was in constant depression even though hes got two hotties drooling all over him. (Lookin at you Cloud, Leon) #famitsu
10/20/09
Hardcore FF fans are the most spoiled whiny fans in videogame existence. And i didnt think anyone could beat Resident Evil fans. #famitsu
10/20/09
Even the awesome opening FMV wasn't enough to keep me from falling into a malaise minutes later. The combat was just so goddamn dull, and the license board system was just retarded.
I completely ADORE everything I've seen (and played- awesome demo) of XIII, though, and that's why the wait has been especially agonizing- in my mind, I haven't had a Final Fantasy to play since X. #famitsu
10/20/09
His name is Squall BTW LOL!....Leon is his KH name. Thought I save you from any VIII fans. And Cloud didn't become emo until his true personality showed. Even still, I get you regardless.
Tidus was an annoying teenager but that was perfect for his character because he WAS a teenager. Given the circumstances, Tidus had emo moments...but it made sense for his character.
Both Zidane and Tidus were counter balances to Squall and Cloud's gloomy dark personalities.
FFXII had that feeling, perhaps that's why people liked it....I dunno but to each their own I guess.
There's nothing wrong with liking a FF, there's nothing wrong with admitting that X was your first. Many old schoolers would tell you to play the previous ones and I too would suggest playing them so you can understand the history of the series...but you don't have to.
The great thing about FF is that regardless of which one you started off playing...they all impacted some time during your life.
VII was mine, I've played I, II and VI (III for the states) and enjoyed them. But when VII came out...it changed a great deal of my outlook on gaming, characters, design, art, story....for me personally, it helped shape me throughout my teenage years to now. It's special to me and remains to be, despite the milking from SE.
But that's the beauty of games, not just FF...so it's okay if you REALLY love X. There's nothing wrong with it, my only thing is to keep an open mind...
I'll go back to XII again in 2012 and see if my opinion about it changes. #famitsu
10/20/09
FFXI has more storyline/cutscenes than all the other FF put together. So to me FFXI has set the bar higher in terms of the series. #famitsu
10/20/09
Thank you, I thought I was alone in the non caring in XII....most complaints I've heard about XII was the gameplay. I didn't have any problems with it too badly, I didn't like it I just didn't care.
XII was like one big MEH to me, I wanted to care but man...the game seemingly didn't WANT me to care. I left the game feeling like I just finished eating a massive bowl of vanilla ice cream.
I really hope XIII is good, I'm not expecting it to revolutionize anything...I just want it to not suck. #famitsu
10/20/09
And that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
To ME, I don't think it should be a numbered FF simply because it's a MMO. Nothing against XI, it's just for simplicities sake, it just should be called Final Fantasy Online.
I've been in these discussions long enough about XI.
My reasoning for why SE decided to make it a numbered entry is because it had a high probability to be successful as a numbered entry then a 'Online' fair. The Online extension kinda has a stigma attached to it.
It's simply my opinion on the matter. I haven't played XI at all so I don't know jack about the story or anything like that. Hence why I never attacked it. #famitsu
10/20/09
And your right I keep calling him Leon and everyone tells me "omg stfu Kh fan!!!"
Your also right about FF affecting a point of your life and when I think about I can see why X is such a huge fav of mine. Tidus, young bouncy energetic teenage athlete. I played that game when I was in high school on the basketball and football team, I was 'that jock' on the team who always had way too much energy and was always ready to go. so thinking on it I probably Identified with him a lot more then Cloud in FF7, which i played right after i finished 10. (Still think he has no right to complain... I mean look at tifa. Look at her!!!)
I think one big problem is for FF fans, after playing them all so close together; is that they try to compare games that were released in different times, on different consoles, making them almost different mediums of entertainment. How can you compare 6 to 7 when 7 was taking advantage of much different technology and therefore told it's story in a different way to the one playing the game? Or 8 to 10 when 10 for the first time gave the characters you were watching a real 'voice', thus making them much more realistic to the player.
Just an observation, but I could never understand the need to compare games that are to me, only alike by the name Final Fantasy and a few special appearances like moogles and chocobos.
And you probably should go back and play it when your older. youll be surprised with how your perspective changes... Did that with super mario RPG... best choice I ever made in my life. #famitsu
10/20/09
But the people behind it always said XI was what they wanted the first game to be like.
Anyway, you see it as a mmorpg with Final Fantasy tagged on it.
I see it as a Final Fantasy title with a whole mmorpg system surrounding it.
Can't argue much about it indeed if we're not seeing the game as the same entity.
But still, I've had my best times playing the storylines of FFXI I've ever had in gaming. But oh well, I'd like to say you didn't miss much, but I'd be lying.
Is it worth the time investment for the content, though? Nope, not at all. #famitsu
10/20/09
Sorry, not good at reflectory sequences here. ;P #famitsu
10/20/09
I started with Final Fantasy (the original) and have completed damn near every FF that hit NA, with multiple playthroughs for many of them. The original was, by far, the shittiest of the bunch. Worse than Mystic Quest? Yeah. I'd say so.
Still completed it about 3 times over, though.
I don't hold any particular disgust over any one title in the series. At the same time, I don't think VII was anything like the second coming. Further, it has held up quite poorly, like pretty much any other early 3D game. While I can still manage early sprite-based games, early 3D is just... ugh.
In any case, VI really was the best.
. . .
*runs*
10/20/09
I respectfully disagree, apart from Vaan and Penelo, I personally found XII to be a fantastic experience, a bonus of this was that it was without any irritatingly cliche'd emotional hindges of the likes of Final Fantasy VIII or X, this is coming from someone who doesn't like MMO's by the way.
I wouldn't give it a perfect score, but I wouldn't say it's an awful game, I WOULD on the other hand, give IV, VI and VII perfect scores, but that's just my opinion. #famitsu
10/20/09
You know what my next favorite is? VIII.
I'm not afraid to admit that either.
Come on haters, I'm ready for ya! #famitsu
10/20/09
Also it's perfectly cool to not have online play. I don't for 5 days a week and it doesn't faze me one bit. I hate playing online because of all the butthurt sore losers that can't accept defeat graciously, spam the text chat or microphones, or pick the same characters and spam the same moves over and over. Sure you miss out on some of the good service like downloadable content and such but if you can't enjoy a game straight from the box unless it has online features, there's seriously something wrong with you. That's my take on it anyway. We didn't have online on C64, we didn't have it on the MegaDrive, we didn't have it on PS1. I just don't see why it's so essential now more than anything.
It's probably why I loved Uncharted 1 so much, because it was made to be a 1 player game and didn't have a tacked on multiplayer, or wasn't multiplayer with a singleplayer tacked on. It irks me about today's game design that it's come down to that, because it'd be so much simpler if it was either one or the other and not both. Oh how I miss the glory days of split-screen gaming and local Versus matches and arcades with meaningful high-score tables... #famitsu
10/20/09
LOL! See, and that's totally okay, every FF has it merits.
But I randomly go back and play old games just to see if my opinion of them changes. I've played VII a total of...lemme see...50 times between 1999 to now. Every flaw glaring...but it doesn't wipe what I originally felt so long ago.
It's like that for VI, VI is the BEST FF so far and probably ever. But VII revolutionized how JRPGs are viewed, it CHANGED the landscape, it may not be for the better for some...but that's it's legacy.
Hell, I'll go out and say that FF isn't even a JRPG...it's a genre in itself. LOL! #famitsu
10/20/09
No need to argue at all my friend, I was never interested in XI because I don't particularly like MMOs....but there's millions of folks out there that are practically glued to the game LOL! So it has to be good for that reason.
And if you enjoy XI and it brought you some great memories...all power, at the end of the day it's about how much you love the game. If you're second guessing your favourite game then chances are it REALLY wasn't your favourite to begin with IMO.
I've heard every diss and hate filled rant about VII for years....hasn't killed my love for that game yet...probably never will. But I would LOVE for SE just to give me the remake and let the VII world die....I personally feel that it's holding alot of things back for the company.
But...they won't...because you can just put VII on anything and it will sell MILLIONS. :sigh: #famitsu
10/20/09
ROFL! When I'm old in gray, I'll sit on my rocket rocking chair with all 20 of my grandkids and tell them of a magical day when GranGran Rach played VII for the first time.
And chances are....SE will be on FFVII:XC whatevers.
Then I'll die when they FINALLY release a remake of the game. Because that's the shitty luck I have... #famitsu
10/20/09
And that's cool, your opinion....I found them insufferable. I LOOKED for irritatingly cliche'd emotional hindges in XII. Just to make me GIVE A DAMN about what was happening in that world. SE just said fuck it. So I said fuck it.
I damn sure wouldn't give VI, VII or IV a perfect score....I liked all of those games but they HAD flaws. Perfection means without flaws and Perfection is a flaw. It's an endless loop.
But it's cool...I'm kinda surprised that this whole discussion didn't turn flamey. I never wanted to anger people, I'm sorry if I did, I just said XII was awful...probably should've phrased it better in hindsight LOL! #famitsu
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But for me, not having a focus left me not engaged in the game...I didn't feel part of the party or the situations or the war. I felt completely and utterly BORED with everything around me.
XII had no focus for me, the characters didn't evolve pass what they were introduced as. I know what SE was TRYING to do...but they did it wrong IMO....
But XII didn't affect you in the same way it affected me, you saw something there that I didn't. Doesn't mean you're better or I'm worse, we just have different views about the same game...nothing more.
That said, Uncharted 1's brilliance was the cast...Uncharted 2's brilliance was EVERYTHING ELSE.
I'll post my girly review on Uncharted 2 and BruLeg tomorrow in TAY. #famitsu
10/20/09
I come from fertile flock...damn fertile flock. #famitsu
10/20/09
@Rachel Fogg: Damn you, you're making me all sweaty, thinking of that great swan chase that ended in your creation. ;P
Also, congrats for making the second-longest thread on Kotaku for the past week. :P #famitsu
10/20/09
It's like the world's most expensive diamond, buried somewhere where it'd take so long to get that the amount of work involved wouldn't turn a profit once the diamond excavated. AND there's a chance you won't find it at all. But it's still the shiniest, biggest diamond in the world... I probably wasted over 100 days in FFXI, but that's only a fraction of a lot of the players. Some I played with had over 800 days spent in game.. that's over 2 years of a life spent on the same grind.
Fahey's article really pointed this out, what it means.
It just sucks that the best FF stories are stucked in an online game that excludes a lot of people in many ways. I'd really like to see more people experience the story parts. But you just can't expect people to put aside that much time to get to it. #famitsu
10/20/09
Swans are terrible evil birds..but damnit, they are so pretty.
LOL! Was it really? That's kinda awesome. #famitsu
10/20/09
@Rachel Fogg: But dammit, they sure know how to play a trumpet when they see one! 「Only works on deaf swans though :Þ」 #famitsu
10/20/09
MMOs require alot of time, I think most people like myself just liked FF as a single player experience. There's such a stigma attached to online MMOs now...I mean, I dunno...it's just my thoughts on the matter.
I tried Everquest eons ago...I just couldn't get into it....I like my RPGs single player. But like RTSes and Car Sims, I can understand the appeal.
I'm sure FF XI is really awesome, it sounds like a great game. But I just don't feel the need to play it, it's not my bag...y'know? #famitsu
10/20/09
@(Starman) AnalysisDialysis:
See...I like the Swan Princess...both the play and the animated movie.
But that swan can play a mean trumpet. #famitsu
10/20/09
@Rachel Fogg: Daww a pretty swan! :[
I've never watched that movei before, but speaking of animated movies, I HAVE watched Titan A.E. Damn great movie that's for sure.
A shame I only saw it in syndication here in the Bay Area. :[
But back on topic…
SWANNS!! ;P
10/20/09
Aww...Titan AE...that movie killed Fox Animation Studios and was the second box office bust for an animated movie right behind FF:TSW.
01 was a bad year for animated movies. #famitsu
10/20/09
@Rachel Fogg: …Except for good ol' Pixar, bringin' it in with the yearly cashcrops for Steve Jobs. 8)
OWAIT, those are CGI, never mind. ;P #famitsu
10/21/09
In short (or maybe not), it's largely comparable to Dragonball: Evolution, the live-action movie. It would have been a good movie if it was called anything else except Dragonball. I enjoyed it and I'm not a huge DB fan, but my friends are and they abhorred it for slaughtering the original material. Same applies here. FF XII would have been a fantastic game if it wasn't called Final Fantasy, replaced Chocobos for proper horses and didn't have Moogles or a man named Cid in it.
Then again, that's my opinion and I know that there's still the few out there that'd batter the holy hell out of me for saying so (P.S. haters, I thought VIII was the best too *hides under cardboard box*) but I can really see where people's opinions are formed and I can respect them for that. I don't go out on a mission to troll people until they eventually just give up and agree with me, I just pipe down and get on with what I enjoy and let others do the same. #famitsu
10/21/09
to uncharted 2 , the water + shirt physics are so much fun to play with. #famitsu
10/21/09
i actually meant IX not the online game ( i mix them up sometimes) , it easily was my fav and felt like the older FF games before VII #famitsu
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Getting my perv-o-meter from 0 to 9999 this early in the morning it's not fun, pervs need rest too (T~T)
P.S. I'm buying Bayonetta no matter what, heck they could give it a -30 for all i care and i'm still buying it ^_^
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Damn you mythbusters ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ #famitsu
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@Curse lily: Bashcrat? WHo is this Bashcrat you speak of? :O
He ain't a Kraft Brother, that for sure. #famitsu
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I didn't think it was worth an instant purchase, either, though. It's probably more fun to talk about than it is to play. #famitsu
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Also, I find that I agree with Famitsu on the scores for the most part: 40 doesn't mean perfect, but ZOMG, good game!
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Got very limited cash as a student so I need to be picky. #famitsu
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Note that ChunSoft also made a title that is considered an absolute classic in this genre: Machi on Saturn. It consistently appears in japanese "best games ever" lists since its release more than 10 years ago.
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If 428 is anything like that, I can understand the 40/40 score. #famitsu
10/20/09
In digital novels / sound novels / yaru dora / whatever, there are no actions per say, no inventory, no moving around from place to place and, more often than not, no linear story. It's more about navigating a narrative tree that is concluded by a number of different endings (good, bad, wtf).
That's the theory. In practice most games fall in the grey area between the two, spiked here and there with their own singularity (like the syntagmatic system of Square's Another Mind or the total lack of video signal in WARP's Real Sound: Kaze no Regret).
So yeah... 428: probably not exactly like Snatcher. #famitsu
10/22/09
Thanks for the extra info, Rico. I definitely learned a little bit more today :) #famitsu