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Manji Kengo
01/25/09

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well, remember kids. the 3 red lights is still a hardware diagnostic tool. The jasper can RROD for an entirely different reason the xenon did.
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TheIrishNinja
01/25/09

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shit. when they elites out? i want to swap mine, so bad by then. argh.
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Jae_Brav
01/25/09

@TheIrishNinja: I just bought an elite on December 27th from Wal-Mart and it has the Jasper chipset. I think they went into production around August 2008 and hit retail around October? maybe? Either way, it should be easy to get one with Jasper now.
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TheIrishNinja
01/26/09

@Jae_Brav: no shit? thanks man, now i just gotta figure out how to swap em!
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dunetiger - he's up on the effin' roof!
01/25/09

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Already got one. Noonch.
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SPni
01/25/09

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My launch 360 has never had a problem. I'm still scared it's gonna go at some point though.
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Chip Johnson
01/25/09

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So is it weird that I've got a working launch day 360? I've run mine for at least a thousand hours over the last 3 years (200 so far on Bethesda RPGs alone, I shudder to think how much more just on COD4) and it's still going strong.

It's a hearty beast, although that might have something to do with the power supply being connected to a UPS/power conditioner, and the entire system being well-ventilated.

With all the talk about RROD's though, I'm starting to feel like it should be in a museum somewhere. "BEHOLD! THE LAST WORKING LAUNCH DAY PREMIUM 360!"
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ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness
01/25/09

@Chip Johnson: You seem to be fortunate then. My roommate has been playing his own machine (which he bought pre-owned) for well over a year now without any RROD (knock on wood).

Maybe you should form a club?
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@Chip Johnson: @seo_ace: I'm actually doing my dev work right now without the Creators' Club membership. When get closer to publishing, I'll buy the membership... gotta maximize that year's worth of membership :)
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Refused
01/25/09

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My 360 is working fine as of today - but for the future I might pick up a jasper. Does anyone if they actually ARE more reliable. Because so far from what I know they are supposed to be. But is it true?
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dunetiger - he's up on the effin' roof!
01/25/09

@Refused:

I've had one since March or so. Quieter than the previous ones I had and no issues.
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wonder6oy
01/25/09

@dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased: Umm, wasn't Jasper released at the end of November?
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dunetiger - he's up on the effin' roof!
01/27/09

@wonder6oy:

Not if the evidence on the back of my machine says so. Mfr date is March, and it's rated at 12V
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SnakeCL
01/25/09

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I get a bit of a kick out of the whole RROD problem.

We've had how many revisions of the 360, each one supposedly being "THE END" of RROD, and each one only marginally improving the failure rate.

There's a word for someone who continuously buys a defective product. Lemming.
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fuchikoma
01/25/09

@SnakeCL:

So true. I'd love to have one of these things and play on XBL, but every new 360 seems to be the one that solves the RROD issue... until they start showing it too. Remember all the hype about Elites?

I just can't trust them until I've seen them run for a few years, and by then, they'll probably be obsolete by now.
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ShadowOdin of dubious snowiness
01/25/09

@SnakeCL: I get more a kick out of the people defending it.

"My 360 spends every odd week at the repairshop. No biggie."

At least be true to yourself and admit that you're annoyed as hell over the RROD. No-one else will be thinking any less of you.
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GOD
01/25/09

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The shop i work in has had 3 jasper chip sets back since Christmas. All with RROD. This problem is far from over. I won't be purchasing the jasper xbox and certainly won't be purchasing the successor to the 360. I've been burnt 6 times with the RROD.
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@GOD: That sounds like some seriously bad news. I wonder if anyone is tracking this... I plan to order mine next pay cycle. This will hopefully give me a chance to look into these claims :3
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GOD
01/25/09

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): Microsoft are in a catch 22 situation. Not many new adopters know about the 3 year warranty, and yet they don't want to bring attention to the reasoning behind this extended warranty. I have seen many instances where customers have purchased multiple consoles when they got the RROD after 12 months. Assuming that they were not covered.
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Mrpoptart01
01/25/09

@GOD:

Well there stupid
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Soldier_CLE says DON'T STOP AT THE STAR! REVOKE THE WHOLE DAMN THING, OWEN!!!
01/25/09

@Mrpoptart01: they're*

There. fixed that for ya. :)
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Perfectnumpty; Doesn't have a clue
01/25/09

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Jasper... More like ass pie.
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Koztah
01/25/09

@Perfectnumpty:

Clearly, comment of the week material.
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Frequen-Z
01/25/09

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What a gay name for a console.
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nathew
01/25/09

@Frequen-Z: not really. now bruce and lance, those would be gay names for a console.
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Bialia
01/25/09

@nathew: LOL.
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robinandtami
01/26/09

@Frequen-Z: The surest sign that one is a latent homosexual is that they refer to eveything as "gay." Either that or they are twelve years old. Which are you? Gay? Or only twelve years old?
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SpaceNinjaDino
01/25/09

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Amazon seems to have been shipping Jasper Arcades for a month now. At least in the CA/AZ region (shipped from Phoenix). I got two weeks ago from them with a 11-11-2008 date (12.1A). I still need to plug it in. It's going to be my dedicated XNA development unit.
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@SpaceNinjaDino: You're doing XNA too. We have to hook up some day and compare notes :)
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CockroachMan
01/25/09

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Is it guaranteed that it won't get a RROD?
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Ad-hominem
01/25/09

@CockroachMan: No, it just runs cooler, so they have a lower tendency to get an RROD.

Still fully possible.
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@CockroachMan: Only time will tell but as it's using over 100W less power, and it has a redesigned CPU and GPU, I'm going to say that it's probably the best guarantee you can get.

Also, I believe (I haven't verified this) that it's still covered by the same three-year warranty.
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ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.
01/25/09

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Anybody know if you can explicitly request a Jasper model when sending in your brick to the repair center? My current 360 works fine, but when it does kick it, I don't want the next one to have one of the older chips.
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Ad-hominem
01/25/09

@ShaggE: Nope, you have no choice on the matter. You get what they send you.
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NinjaBurg3r
01/25/09

@ShaggE: I don't know, although knowing Microsoft, I'm inclined to doubt it. When my old-school launch Xenon red-ringed, I was sent a replacement Xenon (presumably because they couldn't fix it; different serial #) despite the Falcons having been in the wild and on store shelves for quite some time.

A buddy of mine has been through four 360s (various errors, typically RRoD or disc read error). He finally said "Fuck it!" and went out and bought a brand new Jasper. They are indeed nice; ranging from a power supply brick that is half the size of my Xenon's to not whirring up like a turbine when loading a disc.

You would think that they would allow for it. You know, so they won't have to keep footing the bill for replacing faulty units with more faulty units!
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ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.
01/25/09

@Ad-hominem: Figures. After my current refurb came physically dirty and obviously 2006 era, I was hoping I could have a little say in the matter next time.

Especially since it was OOW and I had to pay the hefty replacement fee... *grumble grumble*
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Foxsnipe
01/25/09

@NinjaBurg3r: If you have a Xenon motherboard (no HDMI) then you will be sent either a Xenon or an Opus (which is more likely because of the die shrink) replacement.

MS will not give you an HDMI motherboard replacement unless the unit you shipped in had HDMI.
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ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.
01/25/09

@Boxelder: I hate to admit it, but you're right. It's hard to give up on the games we can't replace on the PS3, so if we can't afford to buy and upkeep both consoles, we're kind of stuck.

It's a catch-22. I hate having to pray every time I turn on my console or play it for more than two or three hours at a time, but on the other hand, I'm not going to give up the Dead Risings, Crackdowns, and Mass Effects of the game library.
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ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.
01/25/09

@ShaggE: And *why* is my reply in this thread, again? It was to a comment far below.
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Crono51
01/25/09

@ShaggE:

I doubt it. When your console RRoDs, you only send in the console. You keep your HDD, and more importantly, your power brick.

The newer models have smaller, more efficient chips, and thus use less power than what is provided by your current power brick. So unless MS sends you a new brick, or asks for you to pack your current one into its cardboard coffin, I'm almost certain you won't get a Falcon or Jasper back.
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ShaggE wants to join the Egg Council.
01/25/09

@Crono51: Good point, didn't think about the power brick.

And what a brick it is... I still do a double take when I look behind my TV stand.
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McDollar
01/25/09

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"And, like, one that won't brick."

i'll call BS on this. MS, prove me wrong and i'll replace my POS from 2006.
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@McDollar: I'm snagging one because mine is from 2005 (launch) and even though I don't have any problems with it, I'm not waiting around... built-in HDMI isn't bad either.
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Game_playa
01/25/09

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): How come ALL your posts have stars? Some of them are just normal comments with nothing special.
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notquitedeadyet
01/25/09

@Game_playa: The star means that he's a star commenter, not that it's a star comment. Unless I'm mistaken?
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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)
01/25/09

@Game_playa: My mommy says I'm special ;_;
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NeVeRMoRe666
01/25/09

@notquitedeadyet: Yep.

*smug smile*

:)
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McDung
01/25/09

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It's not a 360 if it doesn't Red Ring
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VideoGameFan
01/25/09

@McDung: I have a launch 360 and a Zephyr, and neither of them have RRoDd. Here's an idea, take it out of your entertainment center, stand it up, and turn it off when you're done. Seems like common sense to me. But then again we know how dumb many Americans are...
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His_Shadow7
01/25/09

@VideoGameFan: Yes, babying a console because it was poorly designed is common sense. Do you hug and kiss your consoles every night also? Just because you haven't had either of yours RRoD doesn't mean it won't happen. And what's with the derogatory comment? Was that really necessary?
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Bokusatsu_Tenshi
01/25/09

@His_Shadow7: While the derogatory comment was unecessary, I really don't thing that whe VideoGameFan pointed out is "babying a console".

Those not only are common sense but also are recommendations on the manual no one reads.
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saulpimpson, kicker of elves
01/26/09

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: i really think it is. the reason we have an entertainment center is so that we don't need to see all of the components and crap. disconnecting and reconnecting it constantly seems irritating. although turning it off seems common sense.
@VideoGameFan: really with the stupid american comment?
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Project_J187
01/26/09

@saulpimpson: Entertainment centers are designed for looks, not electronics ventilation. You are setting your machines inside a box with little airflow. Would you put your computer in there and expect it to be fine?
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