I like how the overwhelming majority of comments immediately disregarded the article to just get into racial stuff. Good work, internet, you win again.
@Hey_Blinkon: I like how you disregarded the article and commented to a comment about comments. Or something like that. What were we talking about again?
@okenny : ) ...building bridges (to hide under): thats not a direct quote from them YOU pretentious shit. That's what the kotaku writer wrote. Is that anywhere in quotation marks?
in fact it says "Unlike Western Developers, IRANIAN DEVS are tapping into THEIR own mythos"
not "we" and "our"
Don't go name calling at someone for what they said, when they didnt, even, say it.
@snayebaziz: well I can't hide from this embarrassment. I (for the second time this week) have misread a post and proceeded to say something misdirected because of it. My apologies to the "Iran National Foundation of Computer Games".
Everyone keeps saying Iranians aren't Arabs. Most of us know that. But the animosity many have isn't actually directed toward Arabs, it's directed toward Muslims. So, while Iranians aren't Arabs, most are Muslim.
No that I'm condoning this, or saying that such an attitude is ok, but simply pointing out that Iranian's aren't Arab isn't going to change people's minds.
I have no problem with an Iranian themed/made game where you kill Americans. I must have killed thousands of Iranians in US and European developed games.
Of course the enemies in those games arent directly identified as Iranians. We usually call em Opfor, or Insurgents, or simply terrorists. I imagine there may be some Libyans, Jordanians, and Iraqis mixed in there as well.
It's just games.
Hell I always play on the terrorist team in Counter-Strike.
Other popular Islamic video game titles include:
'Xplosion Man
Call of Jihad 4: Modern Guerilla
Fallout 4: More americans are bombing us again
Grand Theft Camel 4
Lute Hero 3
Left 4 Million Dead
The Beatles: Rock Band
(Just so we're clear that's tongue in cheek, I'm not trying to be offensive)
@4nonymo: Be offensive. They do their best to be offensive to Americans. After all, Allah commands them to come in and impose their laws on us. Our freedom is an affront.
@4nonymo:
What the hell is wrong with people nowadays? Look at you, being offended on the behalf of other people all over for a joke. Oh sure, let's go make fun of the fat in the pokemon tournament and be extremely offensive about it.
"BUT OH NO! You're making fun of American views by being a satire of it you say? NO YOU'RE CLEARLY BEING SERIOUS! QUICKLY ALERT THE PRESSES THIS GUY IS A RACIST!" If you weren't allowed to be tongue in cheek in our society then shows like Colbert Report or papers like The Onion would be banned. I think you're ridiculous.
@WorldGreatest Waiting for Heavy Rain: I really don't think people GET what I was actually saying. If you have to, read like Stephen Colbert. Otherwise the actual point went over your head...
@Covert_Knight: First I'm not offended, but you don't really get humor, do you.
A joke has the joke itself, and a punch line. Tongue in cheek means subtle, Colbert Show is ironic, and The Onion is parody. Your list of games are just popular games, with words replaced with more stereotypical things. It is funny how when people make a comment making fun of a religion or race of people, their first defense is yelling about the person that called them out (IE: Michael Richards).
@JohhnyDamage:
So mocking the common viewpoint of a stereotypical "patriotic american" would see arabic games is the same as Michael Richards yelling the n-word like an idiot on stage? The replaced stereotypes are NOT the punchline. However I offer the explanation that maybe people saw me as actually saying those instead of mocking the people who would. Perhaps my explanation wasn't well described. But regardless, why is making fun of someone for their weight any better than making fun of someone for their religion anyway?
@Covert_Knight: I didn't say it's better. I thought it was out of place bring up fat people for no reason since they aren't a race or religion, which you were talking about. Like bringing up I'll never buy a ham sandwich in a discussion about buying cars. (Ha, fat people and ham.)
Second I don't care what you do, I was explaining the definitions of types of humor so you wouldn't say the wrong one before someone called you out on it in a worse way.
But you didn't do a full Michael Richards. When he got called out by a black man he made fun of him, you got called out and mocked people. I thought the comparison was funny.
@Hardcore: I'm Iranian. I don't hate Americans. I live in the United States. I'm not really offended by that since it's obviously a joke and the person probably knows very little about Iran. Yes the Iranian government is run by crazy religious people, but the people in Iran, especially the educated aren't like that.
@MurlocCake: Actually you'd be surprised. I would like to think that I know a lot more in general about Iran than most people, history and current events included. And I do think the educated people there are very bright actually. I won't say I have relatives in Iran, but I have half a family in the middle east so I can compare a little. But I appreciate your honesty and open-ness.
@rosemachinegun
Yeah I know, they're persian, but the original post was regarding the middle east as a whole. Since most countries speak arabic, I just used that phrase instead.
That white people article was racist in itself. I'm white and I found your initial post hilarious, especially the fallout 4 thing. I'm not concerned if other people view me as racist for making jokes like that because I know I'm not racist and wouldn't ever make a decision about someone based on race alone. Why are people afraid to admit jokes about stereotypes are funny? In short, I'm just saying fuck the haters.
Special Operation 85: Hostage Rescue is an Iranian video game that was released by the Association of Islamic Unions of Students. The game was created in response to "Assault on Iran", an American video game that simulates the destruction of an Iranian nuclear facility by US military forces.
(Assault on Iran is a game made by Kuma Reality Games, based in new york city.) not from wikipedia, but found on their website.
Kuma Reality Games is a computer games developer. They specialize in developing free episodic first person shooters since 2004. The company has also created a number of machinima movies for their games, particularly The Dinohunters.
Read that from Wikipedia.
Funny how we americans and other countries can see games like Assault on Iran, and t.v. shows like 24 as just pure entertainment. But if an Iranian game company or colledge students make one, but where it is reversed, we see it as promoting terrorism.
@Psychopathic Assassin:
Because we're AMURICANS! We are here to force, er promote the ideas of liberty, self determination, and democracy, as long as you aren't a dirty muslim terrorist. Extra punishment is included for those homosexual dirty muslim terrorists too. To counter the counter attack on amurican video games, we shall create a game that takes you in control of a solider whose goal is to destroy the game studio that is making the hostage rescue game and kill everyone inside. AND it'll have better graphics. Freedom: 1, Dirty Terrorists: -29,342
@Scottaholic: All the old legends have kick-ass protagonists: Davey Crockett, John Henry, Pecos Bill, Annie Oakley... the closest I've ever seen is a few flash games with old presidents. Tall Tale: The Videogame is long overdue.
@Scottaholic: I know you're kidding, but I think that what Brian means is that people have rarely tapped Iranian mythology. Not that they rarely tap their own mythology. ;)
Not sure what is meant by "mythology" though, I thought that Iran was strictly Islamic. Surely they don't consider the primary religion to be a myth? Would love for someone to give an example of an Iranian myth.
Does the 1001 Arabian nights count? How about Prince of Persia?
And no, prince of Persia is not even close to Persian mythology and Arabian Nights are ARABIAN, NOT PERSIAN. Please have some knowledge about the region before looking like a complete ass.
@ThursdayNext: The Bunyan title he used was extreme, but you can probably count the number of Western games using their own myths on your hands.
Persia existed before Islam. Stories from 1001 Nights are assumed to be much older, as they contain completely different mythologies than those referenced by Abrahamic religions. And no, Disney's Aladdin and Prince of Persia do not count as being authentic in any way.
@ThursdayNext: IIRC Zoroastrianism also originates from Persia (from pre-Islamic times). I guess they might view that similarly to how Europeans view pre-Christian religious practices - you can easily imagine video games based on Beowulf, or Thor or other pagan myths.
@Ausame: I was always taught that the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask. Perhaps something that you could do with learning yourself.
I am aware of the existence of Persia and its ties to modern day Iran. Hence my query regarding PoP. Further, I am aware that the Persian empire extended as far as Greece (no, not just from watching 300) as such a degree of bleed through from Persian and Arabian mythology is more than possible, just look to Greco-Roman mythology for example. So I feel my question as to a connection to the Arabian myths are valid. Especially given that (according to Spannu) The 1001 nights stories pre-date Persia.
I'd also like to point out that it is impossible to spontaneously "have some knowledge" when I am not a pre-Islam Iranian. All I can do is ask the question and hope that someone who is not out to score points by name calling actually contributes something of value to the discussion.
For clarity "something of value" is not, in my opinion a wiki link. I'd much prefer someone who actually knows a Pre-Islam Iranian myth, even anecdotally step forward and tell a story.
A good example of what I was hoping for in a response is phicaluk, I'll now go away and learn something about "Zoroastrianism". (I assume it has nothing to do with a masked Mexican hero driving a Vauxhall.) Hopefully I'll then look somewhat less assinine.
@ThursdayNext: For those interested in some Iranian myths, the following link has some tales I'm not certain that these are from Iran itself, but I'm sure people will be quick to jump on me if I am wrong (rather than politely correcting my error): [tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com]
@Ausame: The most recent Prince of Persia prominently featured the Zoroastrian deities Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, so the series is probably about on par with God of War in depicting a native mythology now.
@ThursdayNext: I'm Iranian. Iranian mythology ranges from Great Kings to the sons who were born and raised the land of Persia. Now, the Persian Empire, that is not mythology. That, is something called HISTORY.
One of the largest (purely by scale, not by army or economy or whatever) empires ever to be active in history. Look it up.
But the mythology, is stuff like great battles between sons of Kings and griffins and that sort of thing, stuff with morals intertwined in them you know?
@Michael Dukakis - Mets fan: you guys are stupid, they didn't develop that game :| a developer asked him about a game someone else made.
now go back to being a failure and play halo/killlzone or whatever else you think your good at and leave reading to people who actually learned a skill or two in 1st grade.
@Michael Dukakis - Mets fan: It may have been developed purely as satire. The BBC reporter was likely just trying to be provocative and edgy, but ended up just making an ass of himself.
@Michael Dukakis - Mets fan: "developed". As the guy states the game was probably not really made pure from the ground up, and there are HUNDREDS of far worse games/mods/flash games developed then the one described.
Like where you shotgun gay people, throw babies off of balconies, run a nazi extermination camp, and while I've never heard of one I'm sure there's some slavery games out there.
So having a few nutjubs make a game doesn't mean the entire gaming industry (which they're probably not part of) is like that.
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Is it gold plated?
I kiiid! I kiiid!
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...oh lord! First make something worth playing you pretentious shit!
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in fact it says "Unlike Western Developers, IRANIAN DEVS are tapping into THEIR own mythos"
not "we" and "our"
Don't go name calling at someone for what they said, when they didnt, even, say it.
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Brian though...
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have a good weekend bro
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No that I'm condoning this, or saying that such an attitude is ok, but simply pointing out that Iranian's aren't Arab isn't going to change people's minds.
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Of course the enemies in those games arent directly identified as Iranians. We usually call em Opfor, or Insurgents, or simply terrorists. I imagine there may be some Libyans, Jordanians, and Iraqis mixed in there as well.
It's just games.
Hell I always play on the terrorist team in Counter-Strike.
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'Xplosion Man
Call of Jihad 4: Modern Guerilla
Fallout 4: More americans are bombing us again
Grand Theft Camel 4
Lute Hero 3
Left 4 Million Dead
The Beatles: Rock Band
(Just so we're clear that's tongue in cheek, I'm not trying to be offensive)
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Racism all to the end . good for you.
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What the hell is wrong with people nowadays? Look at you, being offended on the behalf of other people all over for a joke. Oh sure, let's go make fun of the fat in the pokemon tournament and be extremely offensive about it.
"BUT OH NO! You're making fun of American views by being a satire of it you say? NO YOU'RE CLEARLY BEING SERIOUS! QUICKLY ALERT THE PRESSES THIS GUY IS A RACIST!" If you weren't allowed to be tongue in cheek in our society then shows like Colbert Report or papers like The Onion would be banned. I think you're ridiculous.
This article needs to be read more often: [stuffwhitepeoplelike.com]
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A joke has the joke itself, and a punch line. Tongue in cheek means subtle, Colbert Show is ironic, and The Onion is parody. Your list of games are just popular games, with words replaced with more stereotypical things. It is funny how when people make a comment making fun of a religion or race of people, their first defense is yelling about the person that called them out (IE: Michael Richards).
In closing, fat people aren't a race or religion.
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So mocking the common viewpoint of a stereotypical "patriotic american" would see arabic games is the same as Michael Richards yelling the n-word like an idiot on stage? The replaced stereotypes are NOT the punchline. However I offer the explanation that maybe people saw me as actually saying those instead of mocking the people who would. Perhaps my explanation wasn't well described. But regardless, why is making fun of someone for their weight any better than making fun of someone for their religion anyway?
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Second I don't care what you do, I was explaining the definitions of types of humor so you wouldn't say the wrong one before someone called you out on it in a worse way.
But you didn't do a full Michael Richards. When he got called out by a black man he made fun of him, you got called out and mocked people. I thought the comparison was funny.
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@rosemachinegun
Yeah I know, they're persian, but the original post was regarding the middle east as a whole. Since most countries speak arabic, I just used that phrase instead.
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That white people article was racist in itself. I'm white and I found your initial post hilarious, especially the fallout 4 thing. I'm not concerned if other people view me as racist for making jokes like that because I know I'm not racist and wouldn't ever make a decision about someone based on race alone. Why are people afraid to admit jokes about stereotypes are funny? In short, I'm just saying fuck the haters.
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hearty
@MurlocCake
All across Turkey mainly. I want to say I have some relatives in Syria or along the border, but to be honest I'm not sure of that.
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hehe. Do you really want anyone to answer that honestly? *cough* No, I mean, bad graphics. Yeah. Bad graphics.
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(Assault on Iran is a game made by Kuma Reality Games, based in new york city.) not from wikipedia, but found on their website.
Kuma Reality Games is a computer games developer. They specialize in developing free episodic first person shooters since 2004. The company has also created a number of machinima movies for their games, particularly The Dinohunters.
Read that from Wikipedia.
Funny how we americans and other countries can see games like Assault on Iran, and t.v. shows like 24 as just pure entertainment. But if an Iranian game company or colledge students make one, but where it is reversed, we see it as promoting terrorism.
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Because we're AMURICANS! We are here to force, er promote the ideas of liberty, self determination, and democracy, as long as you aren't a dirty muslim terrorist. Extra punishment is included for those homosexual dirty muslim terrorists too. To counter the counter attack on amurican video games, we shall create a game that takes you in control of a solider whose goal is to destroy the game studio that is making the hostage rescue game and kill everyone inside. AND it'll have better graphics. Freedom: 1, Dirty Terrorists: -29,342
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Paul Bunyan 5: Bunyans Of Steel
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Not sure what is meant by "mythology" though, I thought that Iran was strictly Islamic. Surely they don't consider the primary religion to be a myth? Would love for someone to give an example of an Iranian myth.
Does the 1001 Arabian nights count? How about Prince of Persia?
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Wow, your history teachers are failures. You've never heard of the Persian empire?
[en.wikipedia.org]
And no, prince of Persia is not even close to Persian mythology and Arabian Nights are ARABIAN, NOT PERSIAN. Please have some knowledge about the region before looking like a complete ass.
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Persia existed before Islam. Stories from 1001 Nights are assumed to be much older, as they contain completely different mythologies than those referenced by Abrahamic religions. And no, Disney's Aladdin and Prince of Persia do not count as being authentic in any way.
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I am aware of the existence of Persia and its ties to modern day Iran. Hence my query regarding PoP. Further, I am aware that the Persian empire extended as far as Greece (no, not just from watching 300) as such a degree of bleed through from Persian and Arabian mythology is more than possible, just look to Greco-Roman mythology for example. So I feel my question as to a connection to the Arabian myths are valid. Especially given that (according to Spannu) The 1001 nights stories pre-date Persia.
I'd also like to point out that it is impossible to spontaneously "have some knowledge" when I am not a pre-Islam Iranian. All I can do is ask the question and hope that someone who is not out to score points by name calling actually contributes something of value to the discussion.
For clarity "something of value" is not, in my opinion a wiki link. I'd much prefer someone who actually knows a Pre-Islam Iranian myth, even anecdotally step forward and tell a story.
A good example of what I was hoping for in a response is phicaluk, I'll now go away and learn something about "Zoroastrianism". (I assume it has nothing to do with a masked Mexican hero driving a Vauxhall.) Hopefully I'll then look somewhat less assinine.
EDIT: Removed a rogue apostrophe from an its.
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It's a bunch of short stories/poems.
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One of the largest (purely by scale, not by army or economy or whatever) empires ever to be active in history. Look it up.
But the mythology, is stuff like great battles between sons of Kings and griffins and that sort of thing, stuff with morals intertwined in them you know?
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I think you may have misread my posts on the subject, that's ok, they were a bit longwinded. :)
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Just pretend it's Metal Gear or something.
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Would be cool.
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Yep, totally didn't see that coming.
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now go back to being a failure and play halo/killlzone or whatever else you think your good at and leave reading to people who actually learned a skill or two in 1st grade.
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Like where you shotgun gay people, throw babies off of balconies, run a nazi extermination camp, and while I've never heard of one I'm sure there's some slavery games out there.
So having a few nutjubs make a game doesn't mean the entire gaming industry (which they're probably not part of) is like that.
and what spannu said ;p
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