Due to the used price remaining where it is, this means it's a GameStop-only sale (Capcom themselves did not drop the price) and it's only for a limited time (probably just throughout this week). They did the same recently with Bionic Commando.
With the used games argument, let me make a legitimate point that I would love to argue with people about.
Sure, maybe publishers aren't seeing money from that used sale, but if the person is buying it used, most of the time they probably wouldn't have even thought of buying it new. Obviously this could even be 50/50, but think about it. Say a person has no interest in Street Fighter IV, but they see it used for a decent price and decide to try it out. Maybe if they like it, the word of mouth to other people could cause whoever they talked to about it to buy a new copy.
Even go beyond games here. They could like the game enough to then purchase other things Capcom related, including figurines, shirts, etc. Maybe that person will pay for the DLC, which they never would have done if they never bought the game. Someone PLAYING their game and talking about it is a good thing and creates profit, regardless of how they bought it.
Just because they took the initial loss, because it wasn't bought new, doesn't mean they don't make it up in other ways.
Used games are a gift and a curse, people just refuse to be open minded.
@Omnimon: No, my point is that that person may have never thought of purchasing the new copy. That's $0 for Capcom, in every way. If the person likes it, say the DLC is $10, that's $10 Capcom would have never received if that person hadn't decided to try the used copy (especially because there is a return period if you don't like it).
Instead of turning this into a DLC argument, you could look at the fact that I mentioned other things such as figures and shirts, maybe they might even buy the next version in the series new, because they liked this one so much.
Thank you for being one of those close-minded people.
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@Shawnrw222: I hate to do this...
However, focusing on one of the very, very few positive outcomes of a bad situation isn't exactly open-minded. True, there is no such thing as bad publicity, and you are correct in claiming that $10 spent on DLC for a used game goes directly to Capcom's (or any publisher's) pocket, however that is generally money covering the continued cost of developing DLC post-production of the original game.
On another note, there aren't many people who are going to walk into a Gamestop and purchase a used copy of the game just because its $5 less than retail value. Its just not a significant price drop to warrant any form of impulse buy. In time, it may drop to much lower prices, but I'd think that by that time the publisher has gone on to milk a different cow.
If they're doing this for a new version... tsk. When their turbo version comes out... I'm going to be sad. I love my Collector's Edition and all... but Capcom, you're acting kinda shady. That better be free for those of us who shelled out extra. But if it's just a price drop without anything else attached and no ulterior corporate motive, then yay!
@Arlus00: Not necessarily. The Championship MODE add-on doesn't change the game, just adds an online mode. The games head dude (I believe his name is Ono, but I haven't looked it up recently so I'm not sure) has talked about releasing new versions of the game to retail with more characters, rebalanced gameplay, etc... all the stuff that generally is a part of a new release of Street Fighter within the same series like the SF 2 line, the Alpha line, and the SF III line, so don't be suprised by a new stand alone game in the SF IV series, the interview I read made it sound like it's coming, it's just a matter of when.
@fearing: And how much. I bought the game for $20, because I can't afford more than that right now.
There's also the question of whether or not a new release would be compatible with the old one online. If it isn't, then I'll just stick with the original - there's a ton of people that already have it, so I'm guaranteed a match for years to come.
Best Buy had this for 9.99 or 14.99 month's ago. Did you know that if you buy used the developers & publishers see no money from your purchase? I find buying used a good way to protest a game that is broken/not up to par. I did this with UT3 & should have done it with SF4..but I preordered 4 Ryu Headband FTW.
@Slust: Personally, I tend to buy new. If I buy used, I prefer to buy only out-of-print/exceedingly rare games, if I can. But I am wondering- do you propose we impose severe DRM-like restrictions on physical copies of video games? Strip away the consumer's right to sell (or give away to a friend) a physical copy of a copyrighted work they purchased, and didn't care for? Because that's the alternative, and you don't have to be a genius to get that.
Consumers need that right. Yes, companies like Gamestop are exploiting it, and that needs to be worked upon (perhaps stop giving Corporations the same status & privileges as an individual- hell, that'd solve a lot of problems), but in and of itself, selling and/or buying a used copy of a game is not an inherently destructive act.
@afextwin: Technically, the copies of the game have already been PURCHASED by GameStop, and unless they negotiate a return with the publisher, the developers are getting paid either way-- whether you buy new, used, or not at all. Now, if there are TONS of unpurchased copies laying around, GameStop is going to do whatever it can to negotiate said return... but it's just like any speculative market. GameStop buys from Capcom what they think they can sell, at full wholesale price with the margin included. This is one of the reasons why they rely on pre-orders so heavily: it helps them to gauge negotiated purchase quantities. And it helps them to avoid having to return as many copies to the publisher at less than wholesale value.
@wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!, Raziel66, SeedyXX needs coffee : That's exactly my point. All the money the publisher needed to make has already been made. There is no "protest", and Gamestop walks away with the profit. You can't "forget" about that when you're trying to make a statement regarding the entire "who gets what" scenario. It's like trying to protest high gas prices by picking the cheapest gas station around - the oil companies get paid, and the gas station makes off with the overhead.
@SeedyXX needs coffee: That's irrelevant. The games they manufacture off the plant gets sold and they get paid. But I suppose you're right in the fact that my using "need" was a poor word choice.
I hate to be the devil's advocate, but it seems that pirating the game is more akin to a civil-disobedience type protest than buying the game used. I'm actually more in line with advocating that retailers allow games to be returned in an open-box in the case where the game is an utter shitpile, but I don't actually see that happening anytime soon.
You sound much like me. I only buy used if I absolutely have to and even then I'm picky. I like to have the original case and manual if I can get it.
I tend not to even sell games games unless I really don't like them. I don't like the policy of not selling PC games back to the store, but I understand why they don't.
This is both awesome, and sad. Sad that the game must be selling like crap for them to discount it that much. Awesome, because you can pick up one of the best games this year so far for dirt cheap.
@excel_excel: A lot of characters on SFIV are pretty cheap..like Sagat, and fucking Blanka! The developers already admitted some character's like Sagat came out "A bit too strong."
@BubbleF**kingBuddy: And even more stupid are the people that bought collector's edition and then started buying the costumes on release. Moneyhole achieved.
@Omnimon: To be honest, Capcom probably relies on the early adopters to break even with the game, and as soon as they do so they drop it down to something ridiculously low like $20 to entice those who wouldn't buy the game at $60. Methinks the profit is coming from those who buy it at $20.
i don't think the new SF4 (dash or whatever they are calling it) will be out any time soon... kinda early to be clearing out room for it also there are a few other games that are going on sale
They'd have to pay me before I returned to the nightmare of Seth on anything other than 'easiest'. I still have nightmares. I still get strange reactions when anyone says the name Seth or has a SECOND LIFEBAR FOR NO REASON AND CAN DESTROY YOUR... all right... all right... I'm over it...
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Geez i called at the four(that's right 4)closes gamestop and they're all sold out
BUT I WON'T BE DENIED,I'M GETTING THIS EVEN IF I HAVE TO order online ^_^
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Sure, maybe publishers aren't seeing money from that used sale, but if the person is buying it used, most of the time they probably wouldn't have even thought of buying it new. Obviously this could even be 50/50, but think about it. Say a person has no interest in Street Fighter IV, but they see it used for a decent price and decide to try it out. Maybe if they like it, the word of mouth to other people could cause whoever they talked to about it to buy a new copy.
Even go beyond games here. They could like the game enough to then purchase other things Capcom related, including figurines, shirts, etc. Maybe that person will pay for the DLC, which they never would have done if they never bought the game. Someone PLAYING their game and talking about it is a good thing and creates profit, regardless of how they bought it.
Just because they took the initial loss, because it wasn't bought new, doesn't mean they don't make it up in other ways.
Used games are a gift and a curse, people just refuse to be open minded.
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But your point is one reason that more and more content is going the way of add-on DLC.
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Instead of turning this into a DLC argument, you could look at the fact that I mentioned other things such as figures and shirts, maybe they might even buy the next version in the series new, because they liked this one so much.
Thank you for being one of those close-minded people.
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However, focusing on one of the very, very few positive outcomes of a bad situation isn't exactly open-minded. True, there is no such thing as bad publicity, and you are correct in claiming that $10 spent on DLC for a used game goes directly to Capcom's (or any publisher's) pocket, however that is generally money covering the continued cost of developing DLC post-production of the original game.
On another note, there aren't many people who are going to walk into a Gamestop and purchase a used copy of the game just because its $5 less than retail value. Its just not a significant price drop to warrant any form of impulse buy. In time, it may drop to much lower prices, but I'd think that by that time the publisher has gone on to milk a different cow.
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There's also the question of whether or not a new release would be compatible with the old one online. If it isn't, then I'll just stick with the original - there's a ton of people that already have it, so I'm guaranteed a match for years to come.
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Consumers need that right. Yes, companies like Gamestop are exploiting it, and that needs to be worked upon (perhaps stop giving Corporations the same status & privileges as an individual- hell, that'd solve a lot of problems), but in and of itself, selling and/or buying a used copy of a game is not an inherently destructive act.
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I hate to be the devil's advocate, but it seems that pirating the game is more akin to a civil-disobedience type protest than buying the game used. I'm actually more in line with advocating that retailers allow games to be returned in an open-box in the case where the game is an utter shitpile, but I don't actually see that happening anytime soon.
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You sound much like me. I only buy used if I absolutely have to and even then I'm picky. I like to have the original case and manual if I can get it.
I tend not to even sell games games unless I really don't like them. I don't like the policy of not selling PC games back to the store, but I understand why they don't.
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I never sell/trade games I have enjoyed to get the latest game I want. I'd rather hang on to them. :)
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Now about that RE5 Capcom...
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I'm still waiting for a price drop for that one, too.
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I'm still going to buy it but if the disc is fucked up I'm going to bust some heads.
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A guy can dream, right?
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posted over an internet forum = confirmed
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@vanillakokakola:
Oh, I didn't show you my advanced review copy?
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